nasty horse blocking gate - im scared to lead mine out!

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I feel guilty even writing this because i really like the owners but they own one very dominant angry dangerous horse
He hogs the gate and will not back up to people - ears go back and he turns nasty - being tall, waving lead rope at him doesnt work - he backs up and threatens to kick you!
Yo has asked owners to bring said horse in by 3 but they dont - my boy darent come near gate when he is there and i dread going to argue with him!

Hes a big lad - recently reschooled and ruined, we think he was badly treated whilst being reschooled - now whip and people shy
I do feel sorry for him and his owners but he scares me to death - hes just angry so dangerous
Ive given the owners the phone number of my fab instructor who could help them and us deal with his issues - but theyve done nothing,
today i waited an hour in freezing cold to bring my boy in - hoping they would turn up to bring in theirs in - they didnt
I feel yo wont do anything till someone is badly hurt
So what do i do??? what would you do????
 
complain to YO again.
complain to owners - obv they didnt take your advice, or bother about the instructor so tell them about it and about them getting it in early. sometimes being nice isnt an option.
 
Don't normally condone smacking someone elses horse or any horse for that matter, but once across the rear with a lunge whip usually does the trick. My old girl was cornered by a field bully a few weeks before she was pts - i needed to sort it out and yes i did wack the attacker with the lunge whip and it soon moved when it saw me or the old Gingerwitch from then on.
 
Poor you - and poor horse, IMO horses don't normally get like that without some kind of past reason:(

I agree with DQ, speak to your YO again, you should not be having to risk life and limb to get your horse in, nor should you have to be waiting about for ages.

Perhaps the YO could section the field up with electric tape so the horses can still interact, but the angry (scared) lad can't block the gate?
 
What you are doing is interfering with the herd hierarchy. The "angry dangerous horse" is obviously herd leader and therefore is demanding to be first brought in. It is natural, if somewhat annoying, behaviour. You will have to establish yourself as higher in the herd. Could you agree with a friend on your yard to both go and get your horse out. If the horse in question has been abused it is cruel to wave things in his face, this will just stress him more and make him more aggressive.


You say he is dangerous, but has he actually ever bitten or kicked you? Maybe he sees YOU as a threat if you start waving lead reins in his face?


Personally I would speak to his owners and explain your issue. If they have sent him to be re-schooled they obviously care about him. If they have no problems getting him out maybe they can show you the best way to deal with him, without scaring him.

FDC
 
I would have a word with YO and demand something be done, if the situtation was not resolved within the week I would be gone....I cannot and will not stand to have to deal with animals like that, It should be put in it's own paddock. That is the whole reason I will not go to a yard with shared grazing again.
 
ty all
red i have done all of what you have said - i actually goet on with his owner very much, they are nice people
they agreed following complaints from other people, that they would brign him in at 3 - i also like the stupid nasty horse and one thing i do not want to do is go in his face brandishing whips and being evil - i do know this will just make him worse
This is my problem - i honestly like the horse and owners which is why i suggested they have one hour with my instructor and we are a small friendly yard, if one expereinced person could come and give us all advice on how to deal with him, we would all do it
None of us knows what to do, how to deal with him, sad thing is everyone would work with owners to help him - noone wants ot go in brandishing whip and making him worse - but if owners wont do this one thing?
I really dont wanna go to yo - telling tales, but i do feel nothing will be done until this horse hurts someone
Even the owner has told me her dad wants her to sell him cos her dad fears for her safetey - hes very nasty
 
speak to YO again & make it clear you are unhappy about it & that it needs to be dealt with ASAP, as a YO they have a duty of care & as they know the horse is showing aggresssive tendacies then they are libel & shoud act accordingly.
i left a yard for the same reasons, yearling wrecked fences daily but the last straw was when it sank its teeth into my throat & struck out at me with both front legs (i was 6 months preg at time)
 
Ok so I was THAT owner so can see it from the other side, although my gate hogger was a 13hh new forest mare that literally would not let anyone else get their horses out, she would charge them, kick buck, bite, I felt really bad but due to work could not be there before other owners so used to get her stable all ready in the morning then told them all that they could either bring her in first to get her out of the way or I left her headcollar hooked on gate and a leadrope tied to fence just along from gate and said they could tie her up whilst they got theirs in but asked that they make sure her headcollar was taken back off after they finished. Most of them used to just put her in.
 
tbh , if someone told/gave me (without me asking for advice) then number for an instructor i would have told them to get lost. I agree the owners need to do something but sounds to me as if they are either scared of it themselves or they will do what they want to do when they want to do it. If the latter is the case then you do need to tell YO, its not telling tales, its not like they dont already know about the problems this horse is causing - its just that no one can be bothered to sort the problem out. It will only get sorted out by nagging and moaning.

You have as much right as anyone to fetch your horse in SAFELY. what about if he does kick you and breaks something? xx
 
Aoibhin said:
speak to YO again & make it clear you are unhappy about it & that it needs to be dealt with ASAP, as a YO they have a duty of care & as they know the horse is showing aggresssive tendacies then they are libel & shoud act accordingly.
i left a yard for the same reasons, yearling wrecked fences daily but the last straw was when it sank its teeth into my throat & struck out at me with both front legs (i was 6 months preg at time)
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oh thats horrible!
He was put in a field on his own for a short while but owners werent happy with that either - i just darent lead him down, he rears and strops, is a big boy and im not experienced enought to deal with him - i hope i dont have to move yards but its really ruining my time at yard - i dread bringing poor arhtur in and arthur darent come near him!
 
Dancing Queen said:
tbh , if someone told/gave me (without me asking for advice) then number for an instructor i would have told them to get lost. I agree the owners need to do something but sounds to me as if they are either scared of it themselves or they will do what they want to do when they want to do it. If the latter is the case then you do need to tell YO, its not telling tales, its not like they dont already know about the problems this horse is causing - its just that no one can be bothered to sort the problem out. It will only get sorted out by nagging and moaning.

You have as much right as anyone to fetch your horse in SAFELY. what about if he does kick you and breaks something? xx
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i didnt just give the number - owner admits she has problems hence why her dad wants her to sell him. I said my instructor was very good at behavioral issues and she said she wanted her number so i sent her it
 
My mare is a terrible gate guarder and so she has a paddock to herself, no-one wants to put their horse in with her:o.

She must be brought in first for some reason and as long as this is done, she is an angel:confused: I'm sure they worry that they are going to be left alone in the dark, while everyone else is tucked up safely in their stables away from the wolves. A frightened horse, can be very dangerous if not handled properly.

Bring him in first and you won't have an issue. Simples:)
 
I will speak to yo tomorrow - i know another livery did a few days back, she couldnt get her horse out so asked yo to get naughty horse in - even he, a very experienced horseman had trouble getting him down lane
 
but OP has already said on a few of her postings, that she does not feel experienced enough to manage this horse.

As you do get on well with the people - why don't you tell the girl what is happening and tell her you are too scared to go past her horse to get your boy out. Perhaps if she knew how it was really impacting you she might do something..
 
If i was the owner of this horse i would make damn sure that he was gotten in from the field at a time agreed by everyone just to make sure he did not hurt anyone. If that didnt work i am with the lunge whip brigade!
 
elsbells said:
My mare is a terrible gate guarder and so she has a paddock to herself, no-one wants to put their horse in with her:o.

She must be brought in first for some reason and as long as this is done, she is an angel:confused: I'm sure they worry that they are going to be left alone in the dark, while everyone else is tucked up safely in their stables away from the wolves. A frightened horse, can be very dangerous if not handled properly.

Bring him in first and you won't have an issue. Simples:)
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Ells i cant! He is naughty beign led - rears, spooks - is a very big lad
i anm a novice so can handle my cob but nto a flighty tb - if anything happened - ok i sound a wimp but i have my horse who i can deal with, not an angry upset tb! If i led him down and he spooked, reared, beign silly, dangerous - i let go of lead rope - he hurts himself, who would be responsible?
I couldnt do that responsibility
 
Luci07 said:
but OP has already said on a few of her postings, that she does not feel experienced enough to manage this horse.

As you do get on well with the people - why don't you tell the girl what is happening and tell her you are too scared to go past her horse to get your boy out. Perhaps if she knew how it was really impacting you she might do something..
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Lucio ive told her - she knows, i promised her if ever i had problems i would tell her and not yo - i really tried to help her and not tell tales. I did ring her to tell her i found him scarey when he went fo rme - hence promise of 3.00 bring in - just not happening now and cos its diy i dont want arguments
 
Archiesmummy said:
Can you not carry a crop? Don't use it, just show him it, maybe that will work.
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it makes it worse - we all think he was beaten while beign retrained - if he sees a crop he goes more mental
thing is owners know this - he cant be lunged or ridden now - hes ruined and i an so so sorry but im just scared of him
 
anyway thank you for all your replies - youve just all confirnmed to me i do need to speak to yo and i will tomorrow - thanks xxxx
 
maybe if she is scared of the horse herself she is hoping that someone else will bring it in for her so she does not have to deal with herself. 3pm could be difficult for most people who work or are at school so I can see why she might not make it in time.

However if all the liveries are having problems something has to be done before someone gets hurt or everyone leaves. Could the YO bring the horse in at 3pm if the owner is not there and charge them for it? You should not have to bring in or handle a horse that you are not confident handling, this could lead to an accident either for you or the horse and if the horse has an accident whilst you are bringing it in you might get the blame.

If the YO is on site then when you go to get your horse perhaps suggest he comes with you so he can see the extent of the problem and assist you, though bringing the horse in first maybe just reinforce to the horse that behaving in a threatening way results in getting what he wants which may not be helpful in the long term either.

Alternatively perhaps you could get your instructor down show them what is happening and ask them for some tips that would help you handle the situation.
 
I have had this problem many times over the years as my horse is bottom of the pecking order and has been kicked in the past by gate hoggers.

This evening I brought the hogger in to avoid being kicked and then put him out again as his stable wasn't finished.

My advice would be to talk to her again. Say that you have agreed in the past to a 3pm bring in. Be really clear that you don't want to cause any upset, and that you like her and the horse, but that it scares you and puts you in danger, which is bang out of order, so if she doesn't stick to her side you will have to tell the YO. Be clear that this isn't a spiteful threat, but for reasons of safety she must stick to it.

I might also mention to the YO that you have had this conversation, to set a seed in their mind that you are worried, but giving the girl a second chance to do something about it.

In my experience owners of these horses sometimes deliberately leave them out so some poos sucker with a passive horse will have to bring them in.
 
narkymare said:
it makes it worse - we all think he was beaten while beign retrained - if he sees a crop he goes more mental
thing is owners know this - he cant be lunged or ridden now - hes ruined and i an so so sorry but im just scared of him
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He sounds like a very unhappy horse all round.:( It sounds as though his owner needs to get help, but that is down to them and not to you, unfortunately.

If he scares you, there is no point in your trying to bring him in yourself - he will know you're scared and this will only make him worse.
 
SO1 said:
maybe if she is scared of the horse herself she is hoping that someone else will bring it in for her so she does not have to deal with herself. 3pm could be difficult for most people who work or are at school so I can see why she might not make it in time.

However if all the liveries are having problems something has to be done before someone gets hurt or everyone leaves. Could the YO bring the horse in at 3pm if the owner is not there and charge them for it? You should not have to bring in or handle a horse that you are not confident handling, this could lead to an accident either for you or the horse and if the horse has an accident whilst you are bringing it in you might get the blame.

If the YO is on site then when you go to get your horse perhaps suggest he comes with you so he can see the extent of the problem and assist you, though bringing the horse in first maybe just reinforce to the horse that behaving in a threatening way results in getting what he wants which may not be helpful in the long term either.

Alternatively perhaps you could get your instructor down show them what is happening and ask them for some tips that would help you handle the situation.
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exceletn tips ty - xxx
 
Agree with Red Nose Fany.

You need to discuss this issue both with the owner and the yard owner together, the owner needs to show you how to deal with horse, if they can't catch anyone else's horse whilst their own is in the field there is a serious problem, its no good all relying on that one horse having to be first out every time, thats just avoiding the problem, the owner needs to teach this animal some manors and gain its respect around human beings, if they are not doing this or going out of their way to show you and others how to handle him properly then your yard owner is putting everyone and their horses in danger.
Horses like this need to be trained and handled by experienced, calm and confident people, not an easy task when you have various people using the same field all doing diffetent things, it doesn't teach the horse anything apart from resent.

The horse needs to be either moved into a field with just one other livery who knows how to deal with the horse till it learns its place working together with the owner, or just a field of his own if this isn't going to happen.

With the right handling and ground work the problem can easily be sorted.

You should certainty not have the burden of bringing this horse in yourself, why on earth should you.

Good luck, if neither YO or owner address this, then they will end up looking liveries over something that can be easily revolved.
 
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