Natural horsemanship yard near Aylesbury

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Just wondering if there is an interest out there for a livery yard that specializes in natural horsemanship? Any natural methods welcome, Monty Roberts, Parelli, Kelly Marks you name it, and it would be a chance for people with similar interests to house their horses at the same place.

Yard will be part 5 day (around £95 a week) and 7 day (around £120 a week) livery , including all care of the horse minus exercise. Yard would be brand new and include an on site trainer, menage,8 stables, all year turn out, hay and shavings included and off road hacking directly outside the farm. Options to exercise your horse at £5-10 a session with either free schooling, long lining or ground work training.

Just an idea, this wouldn't be happening for a little while but am just seeing if there is an interest, as I personally have been on the look out for natural training yard with people who believe in treating their horses without aggression for years!
 
Your wording is unfortunate. Perhaps you mean that you've spent years looking for a natural horsemanship type training yard that does not treat horses aggressively?
 
Sorry not into natural horsemanship I prefer to beat my horses on a daily basis to get them to do what I want.

Your not going to make many friends with a sweeping statement like that.
 
Pinkvboots said:
Sorry not into natural horsemanship I prefer to beat my horses on a daily basis to get them to do what I want.
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For some types of NH the willingness to beat or otherwise terrify a horse is a desirable trait, you could fit right in!

(Please be assured I'm speaking in jest, as I understand you were in your statement :) )
 
I think a yard that sets out how people have to treat their horses is unlikely to be successful. A good yard should have basic common sense rules but then largely leave people to chose how and when then handle issues with their horses.

Setting out by telling people most yards are aggressive to their horses suggests you don't have experience to run a yard quite yet and would really put me off personally.
 
It isn't whether you beat your horse that matters; it's the choice of weapon. So smacking it with a whip - dreadful cruelty. Beating it with a wipwop or other implement - just fine.
On a serious note, I'd actively avoid a yard that was going to tell me how to handle, train, feed my horse - yards are there to do what the customer asks, not vice versa.
S :)
 
I think it sounds like a nice idea and would imagine you'd have lots of interest.

Polos Mum said:
Setting out by telling people most yards are aggressive to their horses suggests you don't have experience to run a yard quite yet and would really put me off personally.
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That's not what they said at all.
 
Shilasdair said:
As opposed to 'unnatural horsemanship treating horses with aggression for years'?

Hmmmm.
S :)
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Shilasdair said:
It isn't whether you beat your horse that matters; it's the choice of weapon. So smacking it with a whip - dreadful cruelty. Beating it with a wipwop or other implement - just fine.
On a serious note, I'd actively avoid a yard that was going to tell me how to handle, train, feed my horse - yards are there to do what the customer asks, not vice versa.
S :)
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Brilliant posts as always :):)
 
SpringArising said:
That's just your interpretation. There wasn't even a mention of other yards in that part.
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"as I personally have been on the look out for natural training yard with people who believe in treating their horses without aggression for years! "

Genuinely interested to know how you read this, SpringArising. What inflection do you put on it to make it sound less judgemental?
 
Blurr said:
"as I personally have been on the look out for natural training yard with people who believe in treating their horses without aggression for years! "

Genuinely interested to know how you read this, SpringArising. What inflection do you put on it to make it sound less judgemental?
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I read it exactly as it's written, i.e "I'd like to be on a yard with other people who don't treat their horses with aggression".

I don't see it as a dig toward other yards, just that she/he knows the type of yard that they'd like to be on.

If I started up a yard I would also like to be on one with people who don't believe in treating horses with aggression, but that's not me saying I think every single other yard out there treats their horses badly.
 
Kezzabell2 said:
I would expect a natural horsemanship yard to offer 24/7 turn out as stabling isn't how they live in the wild
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Whilst I agree that horses should be out 24/7, NH isn't really about pretending the horses are still in the wild - the idea is more founded on the philosophy of working with them based on their natural instincts and communicating with them using non-violent techniques.
 
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SpringArising said:
Whilst I agree that horses should be out 24/7, NH isn't really about pretending the horses are still in the wild - the idea is more founded on the philosophy of working with them based on their natural instincts and communicating with them using non-violent techniques.
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Two of My horses live out 24/7 and have no violence in their liveS and Are unshod but my place isn't a natural horsemanship yard. It's just the way I keep them

I have done some training with Sarah weston, but I would say I'm more traditional

My ridden horse wears shoes because he needs them and comes in at night during because his yard do not allow 24/7 in the winter
 
Ladyinred said:
If you put a Monty Roberts fan and a Parelli-ite in the same yard you will see plenty of aggression!!
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You do rather wonder at the experience of the OP, given that you don't need to know much about NH before you know that would end up in a dual at dawn, the Parelli-ite must surely chose the carrot stick and the MR follower the long lines. Where would the buck stopp(er)? haha! And a clicker trainer referee desperately looking for something worth reinforcing, repeating the holy mantra of "ignore the bad" and comfort eating the treats.
 
Blurr said:
Your wording is unfortunate. Perhaps you mean that you've spent years looking for a natural horsemanship type training yard that does not treat horses aggressively?
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Yes you are right, so sorry if I've caused anyone offence, I didn't mean to use the word aggression and I really didn't mean to imply that people who don't use natural horsemanship are aggressive as I am very aware that this is not the case.
 
Blurr said:
You do rather wonder at the experience of the OP, given that you don't need to know much about NH before you know that would end up in a dual at dawn, the Parelli-ite must surely chose the carrot stick and the MR follower the long lines. Where would the buck stopp(er)? haha! And a clicker trainer referee desperately looking for something worth reinforcing, repeating the holy mantra of "ignore the bad" and comfort eating the treats.
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Haha yes you make a good point! What I mean is that I myself like to look at all types of training and research into different methods used by different trainers, and pick things that work for the particular horse or things that I think are a good idea rather than do it all one set way and religiously follow one set of methods and I'm sure there are other people who do the same :)
 
Blurr said:
You do rather wonder at the experience of the OP, given that you don't need to know much about NH before you know that would end up in a dual at dawn, the Parelli-ite must surely chose the carrot stick and the MR follower the long lines. Where would the buck stopp(er)? haha! And a clicker trainer referee desperately looking for something worth reinforcing, repeating the holy mantra of "ignore the bad" and comfort eating the treats.
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Without meaning any disrespect to the OP, their previous posts suggest limited experience with the horror of working in the equine industry with all the badly behaved animals that inhabit it. ;)
S :)
 
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Two of My horses live out 24/7 and have no violence in their liveS and Are unshod but my place isn't a natural horsemanship yard. It's just the way I keep them

I have done some training with Sarah weston, but I would say I'm more traditional

My ridden horse wears shoes because he needs them and comes in at night during because his yard do not allow 24/7 in the winter
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That sounds like a lovely yard :) Mine currently live out 24/7 too but I understand that other people would not like this, and that different horses have different needs. Yes I don't believe that there is only 'one set way' to keep horses, e.g. 'horses must wear shoes/ horses should never wear shoes', its all about that particular horse and what he/she needs as an individual. Just as by saying I would like to have a yard that uses natural horsemanship methods doesn't mean that I don't use alot of traditional methods as well!
 
I've enjoyed quite a few of the resposnes on this thread but I don't know enough about the inns and outs of any of the methods to join in so I'm going to have to give a straight answer.

I think opening a livery yard is fine. Using whatever method you want to handle the horses on said yard (with owner's permission and providing nobody's welfare or safety is compromised) is fine. Dictating to owners what they do with their horses is not fine.

You might get some interest but whether it would be enough and whether it would last long enough to keep a livery yard running in the long term, I'm not sure. I think the turnout would be a problem as a lot of those who follow NH style methods do like 24/7 turnout (as do a lot of those who don't)

I did find the "treating their horses without aggression" part a bit insulting. I've owned horses for nearly 30 years and never once shown any aggression to any of them (no matter how infuriating they can be, particularly my old Section D). I don't follow any one method of handling or riding my horses, but a mish mash of everything - whatever works for me and them. I'm sure there are elements of NH in what I do but I don't follow any particular method slavishly. I have happy, healthy (well most of the time - they're both lame at the moment) horses who do as they are asked (Yes, asked. One in particular you just have suggest maybe he'd like to consider it and he's already done it!) who come running when they're called (or even when they see/hear my car in winter when their field is next to the lane) and genuinely seem pleased to see me. They're out 24/7 in summer and at least 12 hours a day in winter. To suggest that I, and many others, are cruel because I'm on a "normal" yard and don't subscribe to any of these fads/methods is very unfair.
 
Blurr said:
"as I personally have been on the look out for natural training yard with people who believe in treating their horses without aggression for years! "

Genuinely interested to know how you read this, SpringArising. What inflection do you put on it to make it sound less judgemental?
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I'm so sorry If I have offended you and others, I shouldn't have used the word aggression. Only, I previously kept my horse at a yard where there was a number of people who would smack there horses in the face, and aggressively use whips to get them over fences/ get them to canter etc, which was horrifying. I wasn't trying to be, and didn't mean for it to sound judgmental at all and I'm sorry for that. I use a lot of different methods depending on the horse I'm working with, hence why I would hate to limit it to just one type.
All I would want is to attract liveries who have an interest in calm and respectful way of handling horses, with an aim to gain trust and leadership and be happy for me to care for their horses using this kind of manner and body language. I'm really sorry if i offended you, I only meant to use this post for research not to start an argument :(
 
annagain said:
I've enjoyed quite a few of the resposnes on this thread but I don't know enough about the inns and outs of any of the methods to join in so I'm going to have to give a straight answer.

I think opening a livery yard is fine. Using whatever method you want to handle the horses on said yard (with owner's permission and providing nobody's welfare or safety is compromised) is fine. Dictating to owners what they do with their horses is not fine.

You might get some interest but whether it would be enough and whether it would last long enough to keep a livery yard running in the long term, I'm not sure. I think the turnout would be a problem as a lot of those who follow NH style methods do like 24/7 turnout (as do a lot of those who don't)

I did find the "treating their horses without aggression" part a bit insulting. I've owned horses for nearly 30 years and never once shown any aggression to any of them (no matter how infuriating they can be, particularly my old Section D). I don't follow any one method of handling or riding my horses, but a mish mash of everything - whatever works for me and them. I'm sure there are elements of NH in what I do but I don't follow any particular method slavishly. I have happy, healthy (well most of the time - they're both lame at the moment) horses who do as they are asked (Yes, asked. One in particular you just have suggest maybe he'd like to consider it and he's already done it!) who come running when they're called (or even when they see/hear my car in winter when their field is next to the lane) and genuinely seem pleased to see me. They're out 24/7 in summer and at least 12 hours a day in winter. To suggest that I, and many others, are cruel because I'm on a "normal" yard and don't subscribe to any of these fads/methods is very unfair.
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I'm sorry if i offended you, I really was not suggesting that at all and am very upset it has come across this way. I use a mish mash of methods too and have very happy horses, and what you are doing sounds ideal. I really was not expecting this post to insult and should have re-read it before I posted.
 
Pinkvboots said:
Sorry not into natural horsemanship I prefer to beat my horses on a daily basis to get them to do what I want.

Your not going to make many friends with a sweeping statement like that.
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Gosh I really didn't mean it to come across that way. I'm sorry if I offended you, i did not mean that at all!
 
SpringArising said:
I read it exactly as it's written, i.e "I'd like to be on a yard with other people who don't treat their horses with aggression".

I don't see it as a dig toward other yards, just that she/he knows the type of yard that they'd like to be on.

If I started up a yard I would also like to be on one with people who don't believe in treating horses with aggression, but that's not me saying I think every single other yard out there treats their horses badly.
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This is exactly what I meant! I know there are hundreds of lovely yards out there, and my post has come across completely the wrong way. Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say! :)
 
SpringArising said:
Whilst I agree that horses should be out 24/7, NH isn't really about pretending the horses are still in the wild - the idea is more founded on the philosophy of working with them based on their natural instincts and communicating with them using non-violent techniques.
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Precisely! Plus, in England so many horses really struggle with our grazing and so couldn't be turned out 24/7. I am the proud owner of 3 good doers, who as a result have to come into a corral/stable/starvation paddock over night and only out grazing for a few hours in the day. In an ideal world they would be out 24/7 as i'm sure they would love this, but its so dangerous for their health on the spring grass!
 
Shilasdair said:
Without meaning any disrespect to the OP, their previous posts suggest limited experience with the horror of working in the equine industry with all the badly behaved animals that inhabit it. ;)
S :)
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Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this? As I keep saying I'm sorry if I offended anyone, its come across completely the wrong way :/
 
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