natural horsemanship

tbh why would i give the horse the same command to back up as i would rear thats just stupid.... and many horses as seen in some replies here have managed the trick succesfully... plus by the time i will be teaching my horse the trick i will hopefully be a much better trainer the idea is to progress from tricks such as head down to much beter ones- not train the big ones first-

also my horse is for life and i would rather have her put to sleep than sell her as she isnt the youngest horse and is happy where she is

im asking about how to do these tricks so i DONT get it wrong, i would never want to cause harm to my horse and if i thought it would i wouldnt do it :)

thanks for those people proving it DOES work :)
 
JFTD said:
Mine just before his 2nd birthday, he was also kneeling this day :o
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and Fergs
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Can't beat trick training for fun if you can't ride for any reason / just fancy a change :D
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your ponies look great!(:
 
To be honest I do not equate trick training with natural horsemanship. To me teaching the horse tricks, such as bowing etc has nothing to do with using the horses natural instincts to encourage him to react with humans in a good way. To me natural horsemanship is using the human brain and the horses brain to interact to create a good partnership. To recognise the horses natural instincts and reactions and to create a partnership where each responds well to the other.....to recognise the basic reactions of "pressure" "reward" "respond" "respect" and that the human has sufficient self control to recognise the horses response to any request....sadly too many people nowadays expect the horse to understand cues when they haven't been taught them...
 
Just found another couple of books that came out recent. One is Trick Training for Horses: Fun Ways to Engage, Challenge, and Bond with Your Horse by Bea Borelle with Gudrun Braun (translated from the original German version). You can "look inside" on the Amazon website:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/157076462X

The other is From Leading to Liberty: 100 Training Games Your Horse Will Want to Play by Jutta Wiemers who lives in Canada.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/From-Leading-Liberty-Training-Games/dp/0851319750

I don't know if either of these books is any good, but have just ordered both.

Jutta has a sister(?) Eva who trains horses in Austria and Germany. They both have websites:

http://www.wiemers.at/englisch/my_wiemers-way.htm
http://www.smarthorses.com/about-us/jutta-wiemers/

DVDs are mentioned.
 
Alyth said:
To be honest I do not equate trick training with natural horsemanship.
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Neither do I, but on the other hand I think that "trick training" can be good for the horse physically and mentally and for the relationship with his handler (when done sensibly and with consideration for the horse's nature). I totally agree with your last point about cues.
 
those pictures look great!
i just want to give her stuff to keep he thinking and concentrating on what im asking her:) i shall definately check out those links!

cheers guys:) x
 
storm123 said:
maybe this will change your mind on teaching a horse to rear!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li1eS3gYAxc
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Erm, why :confused:

All horses can rear, you are not teaching them to rear. As JFTD said (if you had bothered to actually read the thread) it's surely more dangerous to 'teach' a horse to canter as by your logic you will be encouraging them to bolt :rolleyes:

Quite agree that any numpty who doesn't understand why and how to teach a movement, shouldn't; but that goes with anything you are training a horse to do.

Horses who are trained properly, including rearing, are LESS likely to use rearing as an evasion, I'd love to see any proof otherwise :rolleyes:
 
storm123 said:
maybe this will change your mind on teaching a horse to rear!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li1eS3gYAxc
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Hardly. ;)

As I said on your other post about this I find this Youtube clip ridiculous. It's just a load of very brief flashes of clips of rearing horses, with alleged "news" items about death and injury caused by other accidents superimposed on top. I can't see that it serves any education purpose whatsoever.
 
So how many of those horses in your absurd little video were trained to rear on a specific cue, then, storm? And how many are just ill-mannered, badly trained, in pain or are otherwise exhibiting rearing as a vice?
 
Ah I just saw that this old thread was resurrected!

Seeing as I have a habit of putting my foot in my mouth, Rhino managed to word what I wanted to say beautifully:

Quite agree that any numpty who doesn't understand why and how to teach a movement, shouldn't; but that goes with anything you are training a horse to do.

Horses who are trained properly, including rearing, are LESS likely to use rearing as an evasion, I'd love to see any proof otherwise
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If you know what you are doing then great! :D
 
Damn, using the logic of that video I'm screwed. I've taught horses to gallop, they will no doubt bolt. To jump- they will become field hoppers, to canter- will tank off. Oh no, that's right, they don't!
 
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