Nearly got booted off yard!

I don't really see the YO's problem - either way, you deposited the poo into an already-existing muck heap, so what difference does it make? The response of the YO's husband was also rude and unnecessary. He should have spoken to you in a polite way & requested that he understands you have back pain etc but please in future could you use the normal designated poo pile. And if that is a problem for you then you could perhaps request that the yard/someone else does it for you, for a extra fee as part of your livery?
 
JFTD said:
there was never as much hay in the nets when we got to the field :confused:

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Grace would just stay there and eat it... :)
 
It sounds as if your YO went over the top. He should never have lost his rag with you or been so threatening. He has rules, that is fine, but he should put it diplomatically and in the right manner. From how it sounds, it is a good idea your leaving
 
I poo pick no matter what, gets done every day come rain or shine.

I also have a crack in the bottom of my spine so know a thing or two about back pain!

OP I suggest you start working on getting your back stronger, and when poo picking bend at the hips and use ur glutes and thighs to get you straight again not your back :)
 
I refuse to poo pick at all - why? bcause I am the only one that ragworts all summer from when first florets come through to end of season so sorry no poo picking from me(14 horses in field so get a bit dusgruntled that people are so thick and lazy regading ragwort). When I had my daughters 2 ponies I poo picked every day as limited grazing that had to be maintained well - But im sorry I feel YO husband was very rude and a quiet well mannered word would have been politer approach
 
I'm sorry, but YO's husband or YO should not under and circumstances speak like that.

YOU pay THEM for a service.

Does the garage you bought your car from maintain it for you? No.

If I had poo picking in my contract I wouldn't sign it. I'm paying for the luxury of time with my horses, I clean their stables, I would not be wandering around a field picking poo.

What next, liveries do fencing? Liveries fertilise?

You pay them for they're land, not to be dished out jobs by the person who's wage you pay.

If they have that much of a problem tell them that maintenance in your contract is covered by YO. You pay for the service, unless they want to offer a reduced rate as you are providing them with a service.

I'm all for helping YO's out, but not when it's physically not worthwhile.

I'd have simply tipped the remaining mess where I stood and told him I'd be gone within twelve hours, you wouldn't stand for it if the girl at the checkouts spoke to you like that, what difference is there?

With money the way it is any successful business should be caressing customers, there's always.another supplier for your demand.

Rant over
 
mountainview22 said:
I'm sorry, but YO's husband or YO should not under and circumstances speak like that.

YOU pay THEM for a service.

Does the garage you bought your car from maintain it for you? No.

If I had poo picking in my contract I wouldn't sign it. I'm paying for the luxury of time with my horses, I clean their stables, I would not be wandering around a field picking poo.

What next, liveries do fencing? Liveries fertilise?

You pay them for they're land, not to be dished out jobs by the person who's wage you pay.

If they have that much of a problem tell them that maintenance in your contract is covered by YO. You pay for the service, unless they want to offer a reduced rate as you are providing them with a service.

I'm all for helping YO's out, but not when it's physically not worthwhile.

I'd have simply tipped the remaining mess where I stood and told him I'd be gone within twelve hours, you wouldn't stand for it if the girl at the checkouts spoke to you like that, what difference is there?

With money the way it is any successful business should be caressing customers, there's always.another supplier for your demand.

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You get what you pay for.

When I had liveries they had the option, pay for the field to be cleared or do it themselves. They always wanted to do it themselves. It's why it's called DIY.
 
mountainview22 said:
If I had poo picking in my contract I wouldn't sign it. I'm paying for the luxury of time with my horses, I clean their stables, I would not be wandering around a field picking poo.
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Thats your perogative.
If you pay for the service in your costs, then thats fine

However, if its in a contract that someone has signed - be it DIY or whatever, then it should be done.

I explained it to one parent as 'child mucks out stable, child mucks out field', that simplified it for them & totally understood as pony was also in a limited area dieting paddock (I dont call them starvation, as non-horsey folk/parents do not understand).
 
I agree, diy is do it yourself, I wouldn't ask anyone to look after my Horse,.so why would a YO ask me to look after his/her field?


Please near in mind, I'm talking about a situation in which diy'er is paying top notch money.

put it this way, in my area, I wouldn't pay more than £20 a week for diy stable and day turnout and be expected to clean fields.

I currently pay half that and if requested I'd put the trailer on the truck and spend a few hours poo picking without a complaint, but I'm not asked, fields are harrowed.

Even when I did pay £20 a week in brand new stables I was never.asked to poo pick.

Call OP lazy yeah, but if YO hubby cares THAT much why doesn't he do it?

I remember the saying 'if you want something done properly, do it yourself'

If YO pays the bills from liveries, and liveries pay YO with wages from work, if livery is paid at say £8 an hour, and spends an hour poo picking rather than with said pony that they pay you to provide an area for, in effect they may aswell stay in work and collect extra £8 for their time.

I didn't word that very well, but it sort of puts my point across.

B&Q is a diy store, they don't sell you a tree to get your length of 2x4 from do they?
 
Fuzzy fairy, I think that's the easyest.way of explaining it, I wouldn't pay over the top rates in my area and be expected to complete tasks.

say you charged me £20 a week for a diy field but I had to poo pick it would be pretty silly to go to £30 a week and have to poo pick, I'd be paying ten pounds a week for the pleasure of working someone elses land.

I'm not sure, but say yards where near and no real difference.in quality of grass or stable etc then why bother?
 
mountainview22 said:
I'm sorry, but YO's husband or YO should not under and circumstances speak like that.

YOU pay THEM for a service.

Does the garage you bought your car from maintain it for you? No.

If I had poo picking in my contract I wouldn't sign it. I'm paying for the luxury of time with my horses, I clean their stables, I would not be wandering around a field picking poo.

What next, liveries do fencing? Liveries fertilise?

You pay them for they're land, not to be dished out jobs by the person who's wage you pay.

If they have that much of a problem tell them that maintenance in your contract is covered by YO. You pay for the service, unless they want to offer a reduced rate as you are providing them with a service.

I'm all for helping YO's out, but not when it's physically not worthwhile.

I'd have simply tipped the remaining mess where I stood and told him I'd be gone within twelve hours, you wouldn't stand for it if the girl at the checkouts spoke to you like that, what difference is there?

With money the way it is any successful business should be caressing customers, there's always.another supplier for your demand.

Rant over
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What planet do you live on. Good DIY livery yards are like rocking horse ***** :D where I live. I wouldn't want to try to find somewhere as good for 3 horses in 24 days never mind hours. Some yards around here have a 10 year waiting list. The ones with spaces are probably for a reason.

Our yard doesn't insist on poo picking, which is great because my oldie has trained the other two to do it in nettle patches. It means the grass isn't contaminated but also that poo picking is just about impossible. Luckily the nettle patches are unaccessible to the tractor and so dont get topped :D

If I had to do it, I would either pay the yard or find someone else who wanted to earn some money.
 
jesstickle said:
You can disagree if you like. I'm one of the nice ones, I rarely lose my temper. Only under very extrememe circumstances anyway!

You should have seen me trying to push a battery for my fence up the walkway to my field last week. I was puffing and panting and swearing at the wheelbarrow, god, anyone and anything. I think for everyone's sake that it's better if I leave the muck there until spring! lol

I'll find you a photo of my mud so you can see why I don't even try!

would you try and push a wheelbarrow full of horse poo through this in the dark? (and this is only 2/3 of the distance I have to go as well, just so you know!)
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You need a sledge!
 
Niddlynoo said:
The YO husband appeared and threatened me with eviction in 24 hrs if I was ever so lazy again. He didn't want to hear about the poo piles already being there, or of the mud/wheelbarrow situation.
I am leaving in 4 weeks anyway, so tempted to do what the other livery that is leaving is doing - leaving her poo picking! But they have my deposit and I can't afford to loose £100 or completely knacker my back!!!
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Who the h#### does the YO OH think he is a big bully by the sound of it, why do they take a deposit, cos they are greedy, and now they want an excuse to keep it................ RANT over..............
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I simply cannot get my head round the idea that clients do the field maintenance. Our horses are at home and we don't 'poo-pick'. We take the field vac round occasionally and cross-graze.
But we were at DIY livery for years. We did sometimes do emergency fencing but ALL other field maintenance was the YO's responsibility and he would have been horrified if we had started doing it. He didn't 'poo-pick' either, he harrowed. He also made sure that every horse had a plentiful supply of fresh water. I do wonder what some YO's think they are being paid for.
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Sadly, it is a simpe case of supply and demand. YO know the people who come to them can not afford their own bit of land. As there are no existing regulations on horse livery yards, YO can make up what they wish and most of the time, get away with it. This is where contracts are brillaint, if well written and defined. As a livery renter, you are at the mercy of the YO. trust me, been there done that. But being strong minded, I didnt stay long and I ensured I did not lose a penny out of it or leave myself at risk of being taken to court etc. I beleive that liveries and yards need to have regulations and vistis - as dog kennels and cat ,..... kennels (dont have a cat so not sure if they are kennels!) have and have to meet or they are fined then closed down.

At my yard, it is your bit of land you are given/rent and your responsibility. Just because of the person I am, I try and poo pick at the very least ever other day, mostly every day unless its chucking down with rain. I just find it easier to keep on top of than once a week. But, I dont suffer with a bad back, so I cant really put my personal ideas on someone else in a different situation.

Bottom line. If you ahve paid the money/rent for the month then you are entitled to stay for the month UNLESS what you have done goes against a signed contract. If it doesnt, they can not ask you to leave in 24 hours. Not unless you agree between you that he will give you the money back that you havent 'used in rent' eg 2 weeks, and you go within 24 hours. No written contract AND you have paid for 1 month, the YO legally has no leg to stand on.
 
Maybe I seem to come across vacancies because I'm in a town, I've never struggled to get livery for some reason, from very.posh yards to the run down.

The yard I'm at not has 26 stables, I rent 5,.YO has 7 of hers in, people always asking but YO is picky, the type that believes no amount of money is worth the hassle of sorting out silly arguments.

maybe it's due to location/contacts but I'd sooner move than pay YO money then complete their job taking up either time with the gg's or time I could be earning.
 
Every DIY yard I have ever seen or been on has expected horse owners to do poo picking, ragwort pulling and other weed management. The YO has usually only been responsible for removing the poo pile periodically- our mare lived for a short time at a yard that expected you to take the poo from the field into the manure pile in the yard (a fair distance) THAT was tedious, but it was the rule, YOs do fence repairs, trough maintenance-the big stuff, but generally not anything else. In fact, I haven't seen my farmer where my mare lives for over 2 years now, nothing gets repaired that I can't do myself-but that is reflected in the price I pay for livery there.
 
When the ground is wet and slippery its a H&S matter. You slip with a barrow, injure your back, knock out your front teeth or even worse get kicked and can not move quick enough to get out of the way or get trampled on. All these could happen in a dry feild but in a wet one the risk go up. No one in their right mind would expect anyone to poo pick mud, but than again so many people with horses aren't.
 
I've always been at DIY yards, never had a contract and have always poo picked daily myself, because I want to for my horses not because YO has asked me to. I would never expect them to do it for me...I must be at the wrong places! Do other peoples YO's really do the poo picking for them?!
 
Just to clarify, I am DIY but pay £35 a week for the priviledge. Most other yards in the area are around £25/week. The field is about 1/2 acre, mostly mud and the path leading up to it is knee deep in mud (so much so even my hippo pony gets stuck). It is in my contract to clear the field (but doesn't state where to put it!). I am more upset about the way I was spoken to, I am not lazy (I am quite often the only one that sweeps the yard and throws muck up onto muck heap) but it does seem a lot to expect people to do. I will do it every day from now on and hope he only does 1 buckets worth a day :-) Roll on my move in 4 weeks time! BTW, he will be on full livery for a week (at £10 a day), should I expect them to poo pick for me?
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I simply cannot get my head round the idea that clients do the field maintenance. Our horses are at home and we don't 'poo-pick'. We take the field vac round occasionally and cross-graze.
But we were at DIY livery for years. We did sometimes do emergency fencing but ALL other field maintenance was the YO's responsibility and he would have been horrified if we had started doing it. He didn't 'poo-pick' either, he harrowed. He also made sure that every horse had a plentiful supply of fresh water. I do wonder what some YO's think they are being paid for.
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If they are in small sections each horse then I can understand that they need to poo pick. I used to do mine every day.

OP do you not have a partner, son, daughter, mother or father while you have a bad back? Are you not riding at the moment? Or is it just doing things like poo picking and pushing wheelbarrows through gluppy mud that really pulls it? I remember mine going and just stood there had to ring son on mobile to come and help me home then finish the job.:D
 
mountainview22 said:
I'm sorry, but YO's husband or YO should not under and circumstances speak like that.

YOU pay THEM for a service.

Does the garage you bought your car from maintain it for you? No.

If I had poo picking in my contract I wouldn't sign it. I'm paying for the luxury of time with my horses, I clean their stables, I would not be wandering around a field picking poo.

What next, liveries do fencing? Liveries fertilise?

You pay them for they're land, not to be dished out jobs by the person who's wage you pay.

If they have that much of a problem tell them that maintenance in your contract is covered by YO. You pay for the service, unless they want to offer a reduced rate as you are providing them with a service.

I'm all for helping YO's out, but not when it's physically not worthwhile.

I'd have simply tipped the remaining mess where I stood and told him I'd be gone within twelve hours, you wouldn't stand for it if the girl at the checkouts spoke to you like that, what difference is there?

With money the way it is any successful business should be caressing customers, there's always.another supplier for your demand.

Rant over
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Do think YO OH was OTT

But if the field is in small sections for each horse and horse is on DIY (Do it yourself) then you do need to muck pick. Although it does sound like OP's horse is not out very often so muck must be in the stable:confused:
 
I don't have a horse at the moment, he is my daughters pony. She can't do it as she can only just stay upright in the mud herself - has lost her welly on more than one occasion. New yard has 12 acres of good grazing for 4 horses, no poo picking in winter, so will visit osteo tomorrow and start improving hopefully :-)
 
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