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I decided (as you do ... lol) to have a play around on the NED ONLINE website and look up my own horses and the horses that I have bred .....

Only to find that the details are either incomplete and/or incorrect !
No sire - no dam - no colour - no record of BEF achievements ...... AGE incorrect (one of my colts is down as foaled in 2004 ---- when he was in fact foaled in 2002)

I then went onto the >>>
myHorse - associate yourself with this equine button,

Put in My surname, postcode and the foals passport number - only to be told that the information I had entered was incorrect !! lol ..... I have checked for typo's and the information I have inputted is correct .

Some of my horses have been entered twice -
some have un-verified breeding ! .. which is not the case....
most details are incomplete and
my other horses are just not entered

Anyone else searched thier homebred horses ???

*Obviously I appreciate that it is early days for the NED ONLINE website, but If my horses details are to be made public - I would at least like to see them entered correctly - otherwise - instead of NED being a reliable source and helping me as a breeder - it will hinder me
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Sorry - but I do find this a little worrying - as I (the breeder) am unable to amend the online errors
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Have at least managed to register on NED today - I think a prob with my own server yesterday. But yes Amelia I found the same - couldn't do the myHorse thing - it also said my details for my own horse (who was entered twice) weren't correct. Fingers crossed it'll resolve!

In the mean time it's telling me that there's a technical error with the Futurity entry system online so shall try again with that later!
 
Was trying to look up one of the foals used to look after and trying to trace, I know for a fact she is passported with AES yet nothing is shown, ho hum
 
Thank you for that link and yes, I too am horrified at the complete lack of detail for some of the entries.

I know it's in the early days but like you, I have horses I have bred, all with verified breeding on their passports for them to come up either without their breeding, colour unknown or not even known at all!

From my point of view, Weatherbys and the Irish Draught Society seem to have given full breeding details; the SHB have used breeding unknown (even when legitimate passports have been overstamped!) and CHAPS have left breeding blank, even when they've been by their own graded stallions! Talk about not promoting your own graded stock, they're a joke IMO. Anything with a Database passport is completely unknown too, surely somebody has the details to be entered otherwise there are thousands of horses that won't be accounted for at all, ludicrous!

I thought the breeder was meant to be accredited with their horses too which they haven't done.

I know it's a massive undertaking, has cost a lot of money too but if the passport issuers aren't sending in the full details as known of each horse then just what is the point? Have to say, not overly impressed just yet. let's hope it improves as it goes on.
 
Ill repeat on this thread what I ahve just posted on the other one:

Jan has just asked me to post this message for her:

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Sorry if you are having any trouble with the Futurity online entry system, it is brand new and may require a little ironing out, please let us know directly to janrogersequine@aol.com rather than to this forum and then we can try to identify any problems. Regarding quality of data on NED, this data is supplied to NED by the relevant passport issuing organisations (PIOs) and NED is not permitted to alter or amend it so if there are any inaccuracies you will need to go back to the body which issued your passports to make any amendments. Hope this helps"

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Personal comment from me: It does say contact Jan at the bottom of the entry page so hopefully she can talk you all through it. I made another mock entry using my private e-mail about 5 minutes ago and it went through perfectly so perhaps things are improving a little bit now. OTOH, the entry was my little Welsh Cob stallion and all WPCS details are correctly verified and uploaded in full, so apart from a few technical probs with some AES and SPSS data which is currently being resolved and is not of either NED's nor the studbooks concerned making (probably a hang over from an older system used in the early stages of development) I can totally endorse what Jan says -- errors or incomplete pedigrees for horses of verified breeding are completely down to the PIOs concerned and any duplicates are due to people buying second passports when the horse already has a legitimate one from the original studbook.

If you want complete competition records on NED then perhaps you should encouage your discipline to upload them asap and use UELNs not their own registration number system as otherwise it can be very hard to match up the data.
 

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I can totally endorse what Jan says -- any duplicates are due to people buying second passports when the horse already has a legitimate one from the original studbook.


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I'm sorry C, but this is NOT the case with my homebred stock ! My horses have one passport - and I have not purchased or requested a second !
 
basically your saying that the incorrect info on the ned will remain on there until the PIOS contact NEd and change it!!!! seems to be alot of incorrect info stored then by alot of PIO's!!!! to add just checked my PIO's site and the info comes up correctly there!!!!! very confusing,,, but i will contact them and tell them to send ned THE correct info asap mmm wonder what will happen!!!
 
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I'm sorry C, but this is NOT the case with my homebred stock ! My horses have one passport - and I have not purchased or requested a second !

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If they are home-bred and you have not sold them on (in which the new owners could have gt dups for reasons of their own <sigh>) then the other cause of the problem could be that some disciplines have been uploading data on horses registered with them for affiliated competition without adding any breeding info even if they have it (and of course not using the original UELN) which I know has been the case with many horses I have bred, so again breeders and owners should put the pressure on the disciplines to use the original UELN rather than just generate another data file for every horse using their own (non-linking) registration number.

And I am sorry but it is really up to anyone finding incorrect, incomplete or missing entries or mystifying dups of their horses on the NED system not to yell at NED becuase of this but to contact the PIOs and disciplines concerned and get THEM to rectify the data immediately (and give you proof that they have done it) as otherwise no-one will know that the errors etc exist in the first place.
 
You are saying not to yell at NED for errors but surely if this is utlimately going to become a revenue generating site
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some responsibilitiy must be taken for accurancy OR is what I have been told incorrect (this was told to me by one of your own BEF people)- and there are no futher plans being descussed to 'charge' for the information on NED !!! Are breeders now to be expected have to check the site yearly for errors to protect thier studs name
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then track down the PIO's responsible and then at a later date - feel privalage to pay a registration fee
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I have just posted on another thread that my mare's details are both duplicated and incorrect. She is a 3 year old and has hardly left the field so it cannot be from any affiliated competitions. The duplication appears to come from the microchip registration I think? The incorrect details stems from SHB, there is missing information and for the DOB there was a typo with the year of birth but I was under the impression this had been resolved after they checked the covering cert. and her passport is now correct.

I plan to contact SHB to correct the details on the NED. Even as a ‘hobby’ breeder I want the correct records. My only concern now is the website says they only update the records to NED every month will I need this doing before I register for futurity? If so it doesn't leave much time.

Any advice would be appreciated.
 
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You are saying not to yell at NED for errors but surely if this is utlimately going to become a revenue generating site
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some responsibilitiy must be taken for accurancy OR is what I have been told incorrect (this was told to me by one of your own BEF people)- and there are no futher plans being descussed to 'charge' for the information on NED !!! Are breeders now to be expected have to check the site yearly for errors to protect thier studs name
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then track down the PIO's responsible and then at a later date - feel privalage to pay a registration fee
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Personally I think revenue earning is quite a way off as obviously the data has to be correct first but UNTIL NOW there has only been the data providers word (and contractual agreement) that the information they are uploading is correct and corresponds to the information supplied on the passport wth the same UELN.

I think that if you all complain to the PIOs, disciplines etc concerned about the errors that you are discovering -- and tell NED at the same time what errors you are complaining about -- that will be quite a shock to those PIOs, especially as when they became PIOs recognised by Defra they signed a contract stipulating that they will operate efficiently as a PIO and that if they do not their status as a PIO can (and already has in one case for other reasons ) be removed. Once they realise that breeders and owners of animals registered with them have the knowledge (and assertiveness) to complain about these inaccuracies in such a way that they cannot be glossed over, ignored or explained away then constant rechecking by breeders for accuracy certainly should not be necessary.

So go to it and complain to the PIOs (whilst copying NED into the e-mail, eltter etc) as the sooner you do it the quicker the corrections will be made by the PIOs that care about their reputations and the real don't care culprits will be identified and have their PIO status removed (this isin't retrospective BTW and all passports issued by any PIO before its removal from the approved list are still legal documents provided they followed the correct format in the first place). And once the data is as accurate and comprehensive as the PIOs can make it then NED can become an income-generating system of great benefit to all parts of the industry.

So its up to you. If you don't tell the PIOs they won't do anything, and if you don't tell NED that you are raising an issue with the PIO then NED won't be able to monitor the quality of response and revised data. IOW, don't shoot the NED messenger.
 
I've just had a similar problem when I tried to associate myself with my horse - apparently I'm entering incorrect details so will now need to contact SHG (GB). I appreciate that NED want to know directly rather than through the forums but people have a right to air their views on what is proving for many to be a frustrating process.
 
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I plan to contact SHB to correct the details on the NED. Even as a ‘hobby’ breeder I want the correct records. My only concern now is the website says they only update the records to NED every month will I need this doing before I register for futurity? If so it doesn't leave much time.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Tell SHBGB you wanting it doing NOW and why you want it doing NOW. I am sure that if you contact Jan as well she can do a manual over-ride and as far as I know the Futuirty program does not yet automatically allocate you to a year group based on PIO data precisely because there may well be date errors PROVIDED BY PIOS in the system.

HTH
 
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I've just had a similar problem when I tried to associate myself with my horse - apparently I'm entering incorrect details so will now need to contact SHG (GB). I appreciate that NED want to know directly rather than through the forums but people have a right to air their views on what is proving for many to be a frustrating process.

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I know it was not an attempt to stifle discussion, especially as this forum has done such good things as raising the hat issue and helped set up evaluations in the South East and Scotland:-). It was really just a way of trying to get each separate person's problems resolved quickly before they got out of hand, but actually I think most of the posts have now attained a pretty common thread (except the payment ones which I can't help with :-( ) and I think you all now know what to do about getting incorrect, duplicated and missing data changed (but do tell NED about it as well :-))
 
Guys, please percivear with the database, you have no idea now, how useful this is going to be in the future. if you could see the benefits of breeding and competing in France, where every single horse is on the database, and how the mares benefit from the success of their progeny and bother and sister etc etc. It's an incredible system and without it British breeding will continue to lack credibility.

Breeders are now breeding good horses in the UK, and you need this system to compliment it.

Am I right in thinking that Show Horse Breeding of Great Britain are refusing to submit their data? Seems a little short sighted.

Zangersheide have already given their verbal support to the scheme and we will be submitting all our data to NED.

All new systems are going to have teething problems, just stick with it.
 
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I'm hoping you mean Sports Horse Breeding of Great Britain?
 
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Am I right in thinking that Show Horse Breeding of Great Britain are refusing to submit their data? Seems a little short sighted.

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<ROFL> What a lovely version of their name, fits them to a tee -- I'll never think of them as anything else again.

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Zangersheide have already given their verbal support to the scheme and we will be submitting all our data to NED.

All new systems are going to have teething problems, just stick with it.

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Thank you so much for your support, its just what we all need at the end of a day like today !
 
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Am I right in thinking that Show Horse Breeding of Great Britain are refusing to submit their data? Seems a little short sighted.

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<ROFL> What a lovely version of their name, fits them to a tee -- I'll never think of them as anything else again.


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LOL Ciss! Unfortunately too true....
 
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I thought the breeder was meant to be accredited with their horses too which they haven't done.

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Under the DPA legislation, the provision of owner, breeder and keeper details on a public database are prohibited in the UK unless specific request is made to each person concerned. Much of the data on NED is historical so even if breed socities and PIOs were allowed to ask permission for this of their breeders/original registrees (which they are not) then this could not apply to the historical data anyway. :-(

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I know it's a massive undertaking, has cost a lot of money too but if the passport issuers aren't sending in the full details as known of each horse then just what is the point? Have to say, not overly impressed just yet. let's hope it improves as it goes on.

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Please bear with it and contact the relevant PIOs about any errors and omissions in your horses records as soon as you can. As Ken says it is early days yet and as far as I am concerned unless people let the PIOs know what data is incorrect or missing, then the necessary amendments cannot be made that will improve the system.
 
That's what you get when a muppet organisation like DEFRA put their hand on something..................91 PIO's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, no that was no typo, they are Show Horse Breeding of Great Britain, and should not be called anything else.
 
....................of course they now want to start shutting down some of the PIO's......................errrrrrrrrrrrrrr how very New Labour, stopping people from earning money. "here's good idea, get lots of people to set up businesses to hand out passports with the value of toilet paper (although I hear that's going up), then realise that we've made a huge cock up and not looked at other models known to be more successful, and then see if we can shut them down, then realise that we can't and just bury our heads under the duvet (which was paid for on expenses whilst in Brussels)!!!"

Just think of all the beanos they could have gone on, researching the various studbook/registration models around Europe. I can't believe they didn't do it, even if it had been for the freebies. Utter losers.

I get the feeling that Gordon should have read a few more Greek tragedies (but then I seemingly can't spell persevere!).
 
When the first rounds of data were submitted to NED it was NED that entered the data manually, it was only when that data was then relayed back and made accessible to the PIOS that the PIO officers identified just how many typos, spelling mistakes and errors had been made, so the PIO's are now spending considerable time correcting the data that was initially entered by NED employees.
 
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Please bear with it and contact the relevant PIOs about any errors and omissions in your horses records as soon as you can. As Ken says it is early days yet and as far as I am concerned unless people let the PIOs know what data is incorrect or missing, then the necessary amendments cannot be made that will improve the system.

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Ciss, what about horses that were originally registered with passports from the British Horse Database? Who will be responsible for uploading that data or will they be allowed to slip off the radar and be forgotten about as it no longer exists? The only two of mine with full passports with them can't be found at all!
 
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When the first rounds of data were submitted to NED it was NED that entered the data manually, it was only when that data was then relayed back and made accessible to the PIOS that the PIO officers identified just how many typos, spelling mistakes and errors had been made, so the PIO's are now spending considerable time correcting the data that was initially entered by NED employees.

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I am in toch with many PIOs that have provided data (both compulsory and voluntary) over the several years that NED has been developing and this comment is a new one on me -- and people often seem to mention their problems to me first , sometimes almost in a such a way that it seems the fault is mine <sigh>. Even so, as I say, this version of events is a new one me!

AFAIK data provided by PIOs was only entered in to NED manualy be NEd staff in the rare cases where the PIOs were unable to upload the material electronically themselves, probably becuase it was historical data that had never been computerised due to the fact that the PIO had not been prepared to invest in the task of modernising their records comprehensively when originally 'getting computerised'. Oddly a number of major studbooks with very extensive records such as WPCS seem to have been able to upload generations worth of historical data without trouble so obviously the amount of data is not a governing factor.-- and neither is the age of the studbook.

BTW, is the data you beleive to have been mis-entered the reason why SSH has never uploaded any performance data about its young horse classes which I believe it had planned to do originally?
 
I tried to register but instead of getting a code back I got an out of office email. I am all in favour of a system like NED but it is a bit sad that it relies on someone being in the office! Other registrations are done automatically. I think we all just need to be patient as all systems take time to settle down & the information is only as good as the input source, anyone who uses Excel & formuals will appreciate that! I think this databse is a long time overdue, along with complusory identification.
 
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