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I'd hate to be working in the SHB(GB) offices or any others for that matter with the amount of queries they're going to get tomorrow. As far as we're concerned, we only checked out half a dozen of our horses and out of them, only 1 had the correct details. One didn't have any details of being Head Stud Book registered, one was down as a coloured horse registered with CHAPS (this is a Head Stud Book Bay TB mare), one never existed, and apparently we don't own one of them, etc. etc. I think this is going to be the same as the old database when that was brought in, and that never worked either. Hope this new one does eventually get it right, but in the meantime, as breeders, we certainly won't be informing potential clients to look up our horses details in it because they won't get the correct information.
 
what about Hanoverians GB? Non of my lot have any breeding info on the database - will this be going on?
 
My T/B is on twice, with Weatherbys and full breeding info and again with Hann GB no breeding shown. Our Oldenburg is on with Show horse breeding (couldnt help myself
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what about Hanoverians GB? Non of my lot have any breeding info on the database - will this be going on?

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Yes, I checked with John Shenfield and there is currently a bit of a file conversion problem , which is temporarily delaying the update inluding foals born 2007, but this shouldl be rectified soon as both BHHS and NED are working on it together. However, please note that any part-bred foals born between 1994 and 2000 with BHHS papers are missing all breeding info on their dams as the then registrar did not record it :-(.

If you still have any problems re BHHS / NED data please e-mail John on hanoveriangb@talktalk.net or call him on 01604 492750.

What you all need to bear in mind as well is that many of the smaller sport horse / pony studbooks are staffed entirely by volunteers so they may not always be as up-t-o-date with their data recording as the big ones.

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I am in toch with many PIOs that have provided data (both compulsory and voluntary) over the several years that NED has been developing and this comment is a new one on me --

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well you learn something everyday.........

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BTW, is the data you beleive to have been mis-entered the reason why SSH has never uploaded any performance data about its young horse classes which I believe it had planned to do originally?

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You should have the answer to that seeing as you are so well informed, obviously not the first point of contact after all.
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I am in touch with many PIOs that have provided data (both compulsory and voluntary) over the several years that NED has been developing and this comment is a new one on me --

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well you learn something everyday.........

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Not just new to me, but to quite a number of other PIOs and studbook mangers I have checked with who have been involved from the begining. I believe you only took over last year, so perhaps you should not believe all you hear ...

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BTW, is the data you believe to have been mis-entered the reason why SSH has never uploaded any performance data about its young horse classes which I believe it had planned to do originally?

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You should have the answer to that seeing as you are so well informed, obviously not the first point of contact after all.
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Never said I was -- Jan and Nick are. However, when I received a query a littel while ago from someone about whether this stuff had very been uploaded on to the system (and had been told it had been but needed that verified), the anwswer came back that it had not been supplied but that NED would be very happy to receive it.

So if SSH believes that it has uploaded it perhaps you should get in touch with Nick and Jan to find out where it has gone.
 
I have just tried NED, got no breeding details atlhough my horses have got 3 verified generations listed in passport and mare is graded with SHB(GB). It won't accept any of my microchip numbers, that might be because two of them were chipped in 1994.
My Welsh Pony and Cob Society registered mare who is also BHD passported and overstamped by Weatherbys simply doesn't exist??? Although I see her everyday.
It seems that only BD, BSJA and BE performances count, there is no points for Endurance performance over several years in affiliated competion rides.
 
as CISS has explained before I think ??

PIO's only have to put in Mandatory fields, PIN/UELN, Name,Gender,breed(if known) Colour.human consump, address.

Any other information I.E. sire, Dam,, owners name, breeders name, microchip etc, is totally voluntary.

many PIO's will put more info in, some may not ?? to the effect that DEFRA & the goverment were pushing them to get the data is a quickly as possible, so they would have just put the required fields in.



I still feel BEF were wrong to do this online entry system, with the futurity being a popular event.

and as the BEF are meant to working so closely with NED,

I am sure they would be aware of the limit of the PIO's data entries, and lack of info available.
 
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as CISS has explained before I think ??

PIO's only have to put in Mandatory fields, PIN/UELN, Name,Gender,breed(if known) Colour.human consump, address.

Any other information I.E. sire, Dam,, owners name, breeders name, microchip etc, is totally voluntary.



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Sorry, have to challenge you there because colour can't be a mandatory field because very few of mine have a colour stated, not even the CHAPS ones!

While I understand about date protection and all that, it would have been nice to have had breeder's name down at the very least I think.
 
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I don't think WPCS have supplied breeding details as my horse's pedigree isn't on there either.

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They definately have as the cream job's details are on there with full pedigree details and SPSS certainly havent put them up yet.

Best get in touch with WPCS ans see if your mare's pedigree was classified as historical data == or perhaps they have converted her number to a UELN format one and you need to know that before you key it in. If so it will begin with the numbers 826 046 which is the code for the WCPS PIO.
 
I registered the mare with the WPCS in 1992 when she was born as I was the owner and breeder. I have got the registration paper with her registration number on it in front of me and there is no UELN on it (can't remember when they were first used). When we were told to get a BHD passport for our horses I applied for one as I have always believed in the importance of keeping track of horses pedigrees etc. It was issued and validated in 1995, there is no UELN in it either. I got it overstamped by Weatherbys when BHD ceased to exist so surely Weatherbys should have supplied my mares name and details to NED as they took over the BHD? Where are all these BHD passported horses entered? I presume I am not the only one with a horse registered in to a stud book but having a BHD passport and as it is illegal to have more than one passport for a horse what are we suppose to do?
Also I can't find an issue date in my SHB(GB) passports for the other horses so NED will not let me access details as I can't answer all the questions.
 
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Also I can't find an issue date in my SHB(GB) passports for the other horses so NED will not let me access details as I can't answer all the questions.

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Glad I'm not alone with that question too!

As to BHD, I asked that too and Ciss said last night that their data will be filed sometime; they won't have vanished into thin air, we will just have to be patient!
 
Violet: I thinkyou need to contact Jan at BEF and Di Harvey at Weatherbys about your BHD passport, especialy as the verified breeding has been overstamped NTR after the BHD collapsed.
WPCS will tell you what they have done about the hoistorical pre-UELN info as I think the format was generally adopted by studbooks in about 1998 although it had been around as a general recommendation for some time before that.
As far as the issue date for a SHBGB passport is concerned if you can;t find it Kim at SHBGB should be able to give it to you so please call her direct.
 
I feel sorry for Jan as she has got to try and make a go of NED as it has gone so far down the line. To correct the problems is going to be expensive not only in cost but also time, if at all possible.

The fault lies entirely with the then minister of the horse and the DEFRA team as they chose not to listen to advice that the way it was being organized, it would not work. The minister and advisors were told that instead of being a 'Rolls Royce' of a database as quoted, it would end up a 'tatty landrover'. There was a window of opportunity that would have benefited issues such as welfare, purchasing, theft and the equestrian sports, and they missed it.

Passports and the way it was organized, was a knee jerk reaction buit on spin, not for the benefit of the industry, and has cost a fortune using funds that could have other areas of the equestrian industry that badly need it.
 
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