Ned Rearing - Video

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Well, it's terrible quality, but as promised, I took my helmet cam (which was actually on my jumper, it's at the wrong angle on my hat) and videoed Ned coming out of the yard.

DISCLAIMER: I know, I know, he looks VERY close when he strikes out with that front leg, but I can assure you, he is no where near me. He wouldn't have touched me, even if I had reached out to grab it.

He was actually much better than yesterday, only those couple of rears and they were pretty lazy. Yesterday it was rear after rear after rear. After the video stopped, he walked right out no problem, hence why I stopped it.

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Naughty boy! Looks like he doesn't want to leave his friends. When he does that you should be standing to the side of him, not the front. Have your lunge line shorter and keep a whip in your left hand. Every time he doesn't go forwards smack him just behind you and urge him forwards at the same time. He looks like he is taking the mickey! Bad Ned!
 
Firstly, that is NOT a rear.

Secondly, he is in no uncertain terms telling you to **** off! Striking out like that is totally unacceptable, and I'm concerned you seemed to do nothing about it?!

You need to stamp on that quick before he takes someone's head off.
 
Rueysmum said:
Naughty boy! Looks like he doesn't want to leave his friends. When he does that you should be standing to the side of him, not the front. Have your lunge line shorter and keep a whip in your left hand. Every time he doesn't go forwards smack him just behind you and urge him forwards at the same time. He looks like he is taking the mickey! Bad Ned!
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He gets worse when he's smacked, he got a massive telling off from YO and he nearly flipped over backwards :( If I try and stand next to him he just walks back.
Surprisingly, he was better when the ponies were there. The school was empty yesterday and he was awful.
He really is taking the mick, he CAN do it and he knows it. His fight is getting less and less though, hopefully next time there won't be any rears!
 
noobs31 said:
Firstly, that is NOT a rear.

Secondly, he is in no uncertain terms telling you to **** off! Striking out like that is totally unacceptable, and I'm concerned you seemed to do nothing about it?!

You need to stamp on that quick before he takes someone's head off.
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I know what he's telling me, I've tried the hard approach, like I said in the comment above, he just gets worse if I physically punish him with a whip. He gets a tug, a firm and loud "NO!"
He is getting better and don't worry, I'm working on it, as is YO.
 
Nah said:
I know what he's telling me, I've tried the hard approach, like I said in the comment above, he just gets worse if I physically punish him with a whip. He gets a tug, a firm and loud "NO!"
He is getting better and don't worry, I'm working on it, as is YO.
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At least put a long rope on him and put that round his nose when you tug.

He will "get worse" because he will tantrum that he's finally being stood up to. And then you're backing down. Get your protective gear on, stand out the way and deal with it! He will be FAR happier once you've shown him he's just not allowed to do things like that.

He's the total boss of you at the moment. Sounds like your YO has the right idea, I'd let her deal. And then teach you how to.
 
noobs31 said:
At least put a long rope on him and put that round his nose when you tug.

He will "get worse" because he will tantrum that he's finally being stood up to. And then you're backing down. Get your protective gear on, stand out the way and deal with it! He will be FAR happier once you've shown him he's just not allowed to do things like that.

He's the total boss of you at the moment. Sounds like your YO has the right idea, I'd let her deal. And then teach you how to.
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That is a long rope.
I have my hat, I have gloves.

What makes you think I'm backing down? I got him to do what I wanted, did I not?
I'm sorry, but I would rather be a little kind to him, get him out the gate with less rearing, only being told off when he rears, than beat him up, have lots of rears and then get him out.
This video is (hopefully) the tail end of our troubles, while I appreciate your advice, I feel what I'm doing at the moment is ok for him.
 
noobs31 said:
Firstly, that is NOT a rear.

Secondly, he is in no uncertain terms telling you to **** off! Striking out like that is totally unacceptable, and I'm concerned you seemed to do nothing about it?!

You need to stamp on that quick before he takes someone's head off.
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^^^^^^^^^this!!!!
 
He really is taking the p***. Have you tried a dually headcollar ? Or someone behind him with a whip ? Or even a chifney (IF you know how to use it ?).

Another tack is to just stand there till he gets bored, ask him to move, just one step, and if he does it praise. Repeat for every step - if he strikes growl very loudly. Then start again.
 
I think at the end of the day Ned doesn't have any respect for you, even though it is obvious how much you love him.

If you tell him to walk on, he should walk on, no questions asked. Respect comes from leadership and he needs to see you as his leader. This means that you need to take command in no uncertain terms. He is one hell of a naughty horse.
 
noobs31 said:
Firstly, that is NOT a rear.

Secondly, he is in no uncertain terms telling you to **** off! Striking out like that is totally unacceptable, and I'm concerned you seemed to do nothing about it?!

You need to stamp on that quick before he takes someone's head off.
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/\ This.

Have you tried a dually halter?
 
Nah said:
That is a long rope.
I have my hat, I have gloves.

What makes you think I'm backing down? I got him to do what I wanted, did I not?
I'm sorry, but I would rather be a little kind to him, get him out the gate with less rearing, only being told off when he rears, than beat him up, have lots of rears and then get him out.
This video is (hopefully) the tail end of our troubles, while I appreciate your advice, I feel what I'm doing at the moment is ok for him.
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Whilst I agree that beating him (you would lose) is not the way to go, these rears are only a symptom of the real problem, which is that he sees himself as the decision maker.

Personally, I would be using a serretta but then they are a spanish thing, they work on the nose as opposed to the mouth, you could try a rope or a chain around his nose and USE it - make sure that the rope is long enough for you to keep a safe distance and every single time he 'rears' - yank it and say 'NO', don't forget to praise him for any good behaviour but be right there immediately when he tries it on.
 
I can't see the video but whilst I agree that the OP should not let him get away with any behaviour of this sort I can also appreciate their point, a friend of mine shared a horse and was having trouble leading her in from the field away from her friends and after the first couple of times of little mini rears and refusing to move she went down with a schooling whip and lunge line, she is experienced (although stupidly did not have a hat on) and stood next to the mare and smacked her bum, they got into an arguement and long story short, neither would back down and the horse ended up rearing over her head, struck out in pure anger and we spent the rest of the night in A & E having her head glued back together.

I appreciate these things need to dealt with ASAP but I think there also has to be a certain amount of respect for the fact that you are dealing with a big animal who, if push comes to shove, will fight I they can't see a way out the situation.

Good luck OP.
 
I'm afraid I've tried everything that's been suggested. (Apart from the chifney, I don't know how to use it, so wouldn't!)

He's actually a very good horse, that gate it literally his only sticking point, I can walk him perfectly ok every where else. I can even go for jogs with him.

Like I said, I appreciate the advise, but he's almost back to normal. It took me a grand total of 2mins to get him out today, a month ago it was taking me 2hrs to even get him near the gate and I was failing to get him out.
 
Yes he is being naughty, and no he definitely should not strike out with his legs.

But I think you are all missing the point. The OP did get him off the yard, so she 'won'.

Consistent handling (as she is doing) will make him realise that he is never going to win and the behaviour will eventually stop.

Well done OP.
 
We've tried a Dually, it was my favourite piece of kit! It had worked up until he started to go weird. It still works wonders with his trailer work, but a bit is working well at the moment for this problem. He's got a sensitive nose, his headcollar was FAR too tight when we got him and was cutting into his skin, it may have even broken his nose. So he really hates nose pressure.
 
I think the point of the matter is, they are big, strong animals that if in charge, it will end in an accident. So it needs nipping in the bud otherwise it will just progress to worse behaviour, and more dangerous behaviour.

He really is taking the p*** and he clearly thinks he is the one in control. I know it is hard to tell them off when you love them but sometimes it needs to be done for the safety of you, anybody else handling the horse and for the horse himself.
 
nah i think your doing the right thing in my books i had same prob with my TB he didnt like gates or narrow spaces and would either run through rear and or back up.... i tried beating him gets you no where especially with a stubbord horse and just gets worse plus it feels awful and i belive in trust not domination!!!!

i used same tactics as you firm no tug and lead it took a total of 4 weeks to get him walking through with not batting an eye lid... we are working on riding through them at the moment i do carry a lunge whip... wel did dont know as fdont need it and just waved it behind him to encourage him to come forwards.....

pulling and stanting at the side with a dulally didnt work at all he just walked bakwards...

keep up what your doing with him i dont think your backing down..


the only reason my Tb learnt so quick that doing what he was doing got him no where is coz i did it 3 times a day every day for 4 weeks untill he no longer needed to wear a bridle or a whip behind him to get him forward he also now goes with me stood at his shoulder....

:)
 
You need to be a bit harsh, I know you say he gets worse when you stand up to him but you can't just let him get away with that otherwise he will get worse maybe not today or tomorrow but he will know he can get one over you.

Mysti is like that she throws a strop and if you back down she carries on and on and other manners go out the window one by one. She started to get a bit out of hand after her laminitis bolting at the gate ect I let her get away with it for a while just slipping her leadrope through. Then everything else I did with her was just a constant fight and one day I'd just had enough and spent ages getting dragged down to the field with her rearing/trying to bolt and taught her some manners. I didn't have to hit her I just did it over and over and over again for ages and rewarded her when she did what I asked her and walked calmly down.

Haven't had a problem since now we both know where we stand and she knows what I want. Well worth the hours of repeating myself :p

You don't need to hit him but you need to make sure he knows who's in charge and what you want from him :) nip it in the bud, mysti was dangerous enough at 12hh dread to think the damage she could have done me at his size!
 
CobsGalore said:
Yes he is being naughty, and no he definitely should not strike out with his legs.

But I think you are all missing the point. The OP did get him off the yard, so she 'won'.

Consistent handling (as she is doing) will make him realise that he is never going to win and the behaviour will eventually stop.

Well done OP.
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Thank you :)

Yes, had I not got him off the yard, then I would totally understand where all the comments are coming from.
He's improving, he starting to figure that if he rears, that's all he's achieving...getting his front legs off the floor. He's not getting back to the field and he is going out. As I said in my OP, that was quite half hearted today. Like he was saying "Rawr, I'm a big scary horse, you're not getting me out!...Rawr...grr...arg. Ok, fine, alright I'm coming."
 
And just to ad, Well done OP for sticking to your guns and winning the battle! I hope he learns soon that misbehaving isn't the way to be! :)
 
Nah said:
What makes you think I'm backing down? I got him to do what I wanted, did I not?
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In all honesty, no. I don't view it like that. I view it as, *he* decided to go along with what you were asking as it wasn't much hardship to him. If he really decided he didn't want to, he wouldn't have. That much is obvious from his entire demeanour.

He's calling the shots! Also I said the thing about backing down and meant it generally - from your comments about "he just gets worse". Yes he escalates things, of course he does, it's what's got him his own way with you up until now.

Re the long rope, what I mean is you can wrap a lead rope round the horse's nose but you have a lunge line there and you can't do it with that!

He's only going to get worse I fear, unless you change what you're doing pronto and stop mollycoddling him. You're going to make him dangerous. Striking out is horrifically dangerous and just should not be tolerated, for everyone's safety.

What's he like to shoe/clip/load? I'm just thinking, with behaviour like that he might damage some poor professional who's forced to deal with him.
 
What about this ??

When Shy was being a pillock on the lunge, turning in and rearing, I got right up next to his shoulder (behind the line of strike), and made him circle right round my body. After a minute, I'd ask him to go forwards again. Any misbehaviour, and he circled again. I mean right up next to him, with a whip gently tapping his bum to make him go forwards.

I would say it takes quite a bit of confidence to do this, and it is very tiring for the horse, but it worked for us.

Remember it's hard for a horse to prat about on a circle, so maybe circling whilst going gradually forwards will confuse him and break his line of thinking ?
 
i completly disagree nah should have to put her self in harms way to beat it out of him... what he is doing if fine shes being firm telling him no and still making him do what he DOESNT want to do and speaking from expeereience this is one of the best way with very stubborn horses.

mine now never even with new people doesnt rear spin bolt or back up....

with sensative breeds you have to be welll..... sensative and not overload them they are smart anuimals... and even if you beat them till theres no more rearing... one day if they really dont want to do it there going to tell you... you can never take that away from them no matter how much you get an animal to sumbit to you... and just to add aswell we are never ever fully incontrol of any horse they all have a brain!! :)
 
noobs31 said:
In all honesty, no. I don't view it like that. I view it as, *he* decided to go along with what you were asking as it wasn't much hardship to him. If he really decided he didn't want to, he wouldn't have. That much is obvious from his entire demeanour.

He's calling the shots! Also I said the thing about backing down and meant it generally - from your comments about "he just gets worse". Yes he escalates things, of course he does, it's what's got him his own way with you up until now.

Re the long rope, what I mean is you can wrap a lead rope round the horse's nose but you have a lunge line there and you can't do it with that!

He's only going to get worse I fear, unless you change what you're doing pronto and stop mollycoddling him. You're going to make him dangerous. Striking out is horrifically dangerous and just should not be tolerated, for everyone's safety.

What's he like to shoe/clip/load? I'm just thinking, with behaviour like that he might damage some poor professional who's forced to deal with him.
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I'm sorry, but I really don't think you can get ALL that, from a 1min clip.
I don't want to wrap anything around his nose, it doesn't work.
He's getting better! Have you read nothing I've posted? He was a pig, I came home in tears because all my hard work (I used to ride him out of that gate, with no problem, all of a sudden he said no. I have no idea what happened to him) was completely ruined.
He's fine to clip, he's getting better at loading. He had a nasty accident in a trailer, it took all the skin off his back, so I understood his troubles with a trailer. Shoeing is awful, but our farrier is fab and knows how to deal with him.
Sorry to say, but I think you're wrong. I've known Neddy for 5 years and what I'm doing now is helping is progess slowly. I can't just click my fingers and all be well, these things take time.
 
I'd say if his behaviour is consistently improving, then you must be doing something right. If he starts getting worse again have a rethink, otherwise I'd carry on as you are.
 
Nah said:
I'm sorry, but I really don't think you can get ALL that, from a 1min clip.
I don't want to wrap anything around his nose, it doesn't work.
He's getting better! Have you read nothing I've posted? He was a pig, I came home in tears because all my hard work (I used to ride him out of that gate, with no problem, all of a sudden he said no. I have no idea what happened to him) was completely ruined.
He's fine to clip, he's getting better at loading. He had a nasty accident in a trailer, it took all the skin off his back, so I understood his troubles with a trailer. Shoeing is awful, but our farrier is fab and knows how to deal with him.
Sorry to say, but I think you're wrong. I've known Neddy for 5 years and what I'm doing now is helping is progess slowly. I can't just click my fingers and all be well, these things take time.
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Others on here have said the same but far more tactfully than I have. I'll leave it up to them to try and make you realise you're going to get hurt unless you stand up to him. And no I don't mean harsh methods. But doing absolutely zilch when he strikes out is a recipe for disaster.

I note also you like to pick out the posts congratulating you and ignore the others. So you crack on.

Just hope you've got it insured up to the eyeballs.
 
noobs31 said:
Others on here have said the same but far more tactfully than I have. I'll leave it up to them to try and make you realise you're going to get hurt unless you stand up to him. And no I don't mean harsh methods. But doing absolutely zilch when he strikes out is a recipe for disaster.

I note also you like to pick out the posts congratulating you and ignore the others. So you crack on.

Just hope you've got it insured up to the eyeballs.
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I'm not doing nothing though. I am telling him off. Also, he's a him. Not an 'it', thanks.


Here's my naughty, horrible, dangerous pony when he's out of the gate. It is literally only that gate where he acts like that.

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