Ned Rearing - Video

Nah said:
I'm not doing nothing though. I am telling him off. Also, he's a him. Not an 'it', thanks.


Here's my naughty, horrible, dangerous pony when he's out of the gate. It is literally only that gate where he acts like that.

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Interesting. Not listening to you, worried (horses who are forced to take charge tend to look like that).

And on a main road too. Like I said. Hope it's got insurance.
 
I have to say that in my book letting him do exactly as he likes on the end of a long lead rope by the side of a road is dangerous!
 
noobs31 said:
Interesting. Not listening to you, worried (horses who are forced to take charge tend to look like that).

And on a main road too. Like I said. Hope it's got insurance.
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Pfftt, you're making me giggle now.
That's not a main road!! You see a car every half hour, if you're lucky!

Oh dear, I'll just let you think what you want.
 
What bit have you got in his mouth?

And I really don't like the lunge line through the bit. It won't help.

And the other video of where you are walking him out - is well :o:o

You're putting yourself and him in a potentially very hazardous position.
 
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Do you ride him or just take him for walks?
I am not sure he looks sound when he is trotting at the end but it could be that the video is wibbley.
 
Looking at your last video I am quite concerned for your safety that you are leading him so far behind. Given that he will lash out at you with your front feet what is to stop him lashing out with back.

Please do not lead this horse so far from the back. Ideally you should be at his shoulder for your own safety.
 
^^^just as the above have said.

In the 2nd video he certainly looks to be in charge. He is stopping when he feels like it to look around, wondering about & then in front of you.

Please be careful, especially near a road like that. You seem to have no control over him - if he decides to throw a wobbler (which any horse can) I think he would be off with you left behind xx
 
Also agree the way you are leading him is far from safe.
Do you have someone experienced who can help you? Perhaps teach you to long rein correctly or lunge him if you are not able to ride?
 
noobs31 said:
Interesting. Not listening to you, worried (horses who are forced to take charge tend to look like that).

And on a main road too. Like I said. Hope it's got insurance.
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Dee O'Dorant said:
I have to say that in my book letting him do exactly as he likes on the end of a long lead rope by the side of a road is dangerous!
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You obviously love him, but you don't lead him. Horses, to have a healthy level of confidence, need to have a leader. You let him walk all over you (and one day that might be literal!) so he has no concept of boundaries - it could all go wrong so quickly :(
 
Nah, I've not watched any of your in hand walk videos until now, and I have to say the walking video shocked me more than the rearing!

That horse isn't 'behaving', he's going for a lovely stroll wherever the hell he likes (alongside a road :eek:) with no regard for little old you flailing along on the end of a rope.

I guess I imagined your in hand walks to be obedient, ie you leading from the correct side ad the horse walking along next to you, not in front, to one side then the other, then you way in front etc etc...

I would say taking a tougher line when out walking, checking him and making him walk correctly next to you, will massively help you enforce your dominance and thus help when you do get into a sticky situation like a scary gate.

I know it's not really your style, as you're quite a passive type, softly softly person (I'm not lol, we'd have to agree to disagree on it but I'm not knocking your personal approach to horsemanship) but the little changes like asking him to walk more respectfully (he doesn't have to be charging about and rearing to be disrespecting you, as proved in the video) shouldn't take harsh measures :)
 
I'd agree that if it's generally improving you are on the right track. Sounds to me like you have a grasp of the safety issues too.

Suggestion: perhaps don't fall in love with "I will get this horse through the gate" - spend a bit of time moving him backwards, forwards, sideways near the gate, including backing him towards it. Start off far enough away from it that he doesn't react strongly, get him to concentrate by moving him around, and then move him closer to the gate. Ultimately I would want him to go through the gateway forwards and backwards, and be able to halt him after each hoof has moved.

There is evidently something about this area that he has a negative association with, doesn't really matter what it is, but working like this will address his concerns and reinforce the idea that he needs to do as you ask.

ETA - not seen other videos, but I wouldn't recommend taking a horse on the road unless it stops immediately when you stop, walks when you walk, all on a loose rope. You do need to be the one that takes every decision regarding direction and speed - every single time. It may seem strict but it will give him confidence (and is safer).
If he plants, I would not stand straight ahead of him but move to a 45 degree angle and put pressure on the lunge line from 6 feet or so away - then he is less likely to rear/strike and he's moving at an angle, and if he does you are out of the way. Also asking him to step back instead is a good way to get him moving again when he gets stuck.

Doesn't sounds like you are far off getting there. Well done for dealing with his problems, sounds as though he has had a tough time. I'm sure you know he needs you to be very clear and very consistent.
 
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Nah said:
He's perfectly in control.
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Yes, *he* is!

Your head is clearly staying in the sand. On the plus side, he's really nice. I think someone is going to pick up a very nice horse very cheaply once you've had enough.

I thought the same re soundness but like you concluded it must be OP running behind (:/) and the camera therefore wobbling that gives that impression.
 
I would suggest you need to be firmer with him. It's not about beating him into submission but if you take him for a walk he should be walking beside you at your pace whatever that is, not sauntering along in front of you or behind you doing what he likes, stopping when he likes and so on.

I realise you don't want to hear this but the problems you describe with him are screaming out that he is dominating you. Small changes in you, your posture and how you handle him would reap dividends. I have had several seriously badly treated horses coming to me and it has not taken 5 years to sort them out, it should take a couple of months of consistent handling. I think what ou are doing at the moment is finding ways to avoid his tantrums, basically, he is training you. Both of you would be happier if he knew you were in charge.

To me when you say he all of a sudden refused to go, that was him taking over. You are looking for a reason for this other than he is just the boss, but I am afraid that is the reason.

I know you love this horse but I think you could have more fun and less dramas with him if you listened to what folk are saying on this thread. No one is trying to upset you.
 
Oh guys! You are making a mountain of a mole hill.

I allow him to walk ahead of my in the fields because he never used to go ahead of anyone or anything, horse or human. He wants to walk ahead, but I can get him back at a moments notice.
It's the video making him look unsound, he's fine. I do ride him too, but not on my own, I go out with the groups.

The lunge through the bit has helped. It's a 3 ring gag, but the reins (when I have them) and the lunge are through the big hoop.
 
We are all trying to help you nah, presumably you wanted help with you posting this thread. Tbh he shouldn't get used to walking in front of a human, there is no need for him too imo xx
 
Nah said:
He's not doing what he likes. He's perfectly in control.
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That's exactly the problem. He is in control. YOU should be in control and that means not just letting him do exactly as he pleases. Sorry, I know it's not your vision of how horse/person relationships should be but in all relationships boundaries need to be set:(
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
I have to say that in my book letting him do exactly as he likes on the end of a long lead rope by the side of a road is dangerous!
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I should say. Especially the bit 1 minute in where you are filming standing behind him. All it takes is one little buck...
 
"because he never used to" - there's your root cause. You've given him all the dominance and now when he gets scared he doesn't have a leader to look to, as you've allowed him a privellege he shouldn't have - by allowing him to walk where he wants you've not actually been kind to him like you believe I'm afraid.

By all means take him to graze in hand and mooch at the end of a line, but not in hand walking.
 
Please, please, please get yourself some experienced help.
Or perhaps get yourself a horse that is more suitable for a novice.
I know you love him but clearly from your threads you don't have the experience to deal with his 'issues' you wouldn't be giving up but by admitting you don't have the ability to deal with him would probably safer for you and best for the horse.
 
Nah said:
Oh guys! You are making a mountain of a mole hill.

I allow him to walk ahead of my in the fields because he never used to go ahead of anyone or anything, horse or human. He wants to walk ahead, but I can get him back at a moments notice.
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No one is making a mountain out of a molehill. How will you get him back if he spooks, and god forbid kicks you in the head??



The lunge through the bit has helped. It's a 3 ring gag, but the reins (when I have them) and the lunge are through the big hoop.
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In the first video - where he's rearing I think it's a different bit.

Please, please, please - if you are going to walk him out in hand - do it in a full bridle (with a noseband) and reins - not a lunge line. Walk by his shoulder - and be on his right if you are on the road.

You can't fail to see that not one person in this thread has commended you on what you're doing. And that's not because people don't like you or are horrid - it's because people care about you and your safety.

You need to make some very serious decisions about you, this horse and your safety. No one wants to read a post from you - or a friend/family member - telling us you're in hospital, or worse.
 
Have you thought of getting a dually headcollar rather than using a bit? IMO using a bit can cause the rear. There is a lot of evidence to show that rearers quite often are evading a heavy hand and are unable or unwilling to go forward because of this.
 
Nah said:
He wants to walk ahead, but I can get him back at a moments notice.
It's the video making him look unsound, he's fine. I do ride him too, but not on my own, I go out with the groups.
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Sorry, you've got your rose-tinted specs on. He drags you through the gap down the ditch there is no way you could have got him back there had something appeared that needed you to take avoiding action.
 
Nah

I am concerned by letting him go ahead of you you are putting yourself in so much danger. What happens if he spooks at something and kicks back or decides that he doesn't want to come back to you. He will end up kicking you in the head. If you were at his shoulder this wouldn't happen. There is a reason why we lead horses at the shoulder.

I know a girl who was long reinng a young horse and the horse kicked her in the head and she died. What you are doing is even more dangerous than long reining.

A submissive horse will always walk behind the dominant horse while the dominant horse will take the lead. You are letting him be the dominant horse on your walks and this is why you are probably having other issues.
 
I praised you on your first video for getting him out the yard, but tbh agree with others on the second.

I also think he looks lame when he is trotting at the end, nothing to do with you running.
 
Nah

Please don't take this the wrong way. I know you love you love your horse and since I used to have a standard bred with a dodgy background and 'ishoos' and I know much of where you are coming from.

BUT

You are taking huge risks. The second video IS risky. It doesn't matter what the traffic situation, that horse is simply NOT under control to the extent that he needs to be.

If you can't see why not then you need to discuss it with someone whose opinion you respect who will explain exactly what could happen.

I know its all about 'what ifs' here, but that's the whole point about being safe. You must acknowledge the risk and manage your animal accordingly.

Many people on here have significant experience of the type of accident that can happen with horses even when every precaution is taken and if you was my daughter you simply would not be allowed to take one of our horses out like that.

He is a lovely looking horse, I have a huge soft spot for the breed but none of that is relevant of either of you are injured or worse.

Please think about why people are saying this to you.
 
JANANI said:
Nah

I am concerned by letting him go ahead of you you are putting yourself in so much danger. What happens if he spooks at something and kicks back or decides that he doesn't want to come back to you. He will end up kicking you in the head. If you were at his shoulder this wouldn't happen. There is a reason why we lead horses at the shoulder.

I know a girl who was long reinng a young horse and the horse kicked her in the head and she died. What you are doing is even more dangerous than long reining.
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That video gives me seriously nasty flashbacks from when I was kicked in the face. I'm bloody lucky to be alive, albeit I'm scarred and live in constant pain.

ETS - http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=221325

Nah, you really are asking for some sort of an accident. PLEASE listen to what people are telling you. :(
 
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