Ned Rearing - Video

I can quote but amymay. I thought so too.... But the video was wobbly so thought it may have just been my eye.
I would imagine that explains at least some of the behaviour....
 
Sometimes it takes a bigger person to look at oneself objectively and take advice from unbiased people... Just looking at the horse makes me feel like he is the one calling the shots :/ sorry
 
Nah, do you subconsciously 'walk' Ned like you would your dog, do you think?

I'd be inclined to scrap the in hand walks and just get on the bugger to send him forward and remind you you're on a horse not walking a dog (which, you obviously do an admirable job of having seen posts about your old girl - my dogs are naughty little mutts that are horribly behaved!). Plus, I'd feel safer on board - he doesn't rear like he's gonna throw himself over, he does bunny hops and kicks, and on him you're safe from that!
 
Puppy, brave to post those awful photos, you have come SO far:)

Nah, please have a rethink, it only takes a split second for it all to go so very wrong.
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
Yup, if you read the thread you'll see the second video of the walk.
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Thank you! :):o

Right - after watching as much as I could stand of the walk video all I can say is that OP has no control whatsoever, the horse is the boss and if I were her I would get some help before things really go tits up.
 
Aprilblossom. I think she said earlier she rides him in a group but not alone.
Is he a share horse or RS horse perhaps?
 
Nah, I've followed your posts a little. You obviously totally adore this horse & there have been improvements with many of his 'issues' BUT I do have to agree with some of the posters on here. A horse striking out at a handler is dangerous. To you it might be 'just Ned' but if it isn't stamped out (& FWIW I'm not an advocate of beating) it can & will escalate.
May I ask why you are taking him for walks? In my opinion they aren't adding anything to his training. He looks like he is ambling along, going in front (how dangerous!) when he wants, stopping when he wants, dropping behind when he wants. Can I be honest? I think you allow it because you don't want to cause another tantrum. Whilst he isn't backing up, rearing or lashing out you can convince yourself that his behaviour is improving, but really it's just him doing what he wants unchallenged.
You said before you let him get in front because before he wouldn't go in front of a human.....and so he shouldn't!! It's not his place to 'lead' you & decide where he wants to go!

As I said before you've obviously made such dramatic improvements to so many aspects of his life getting his dominance issue sorted would really help with so many things.

I've got an ex-racer who hasn't had the best starts to life. He was given to a lady who didn't have a clue. Sadly trying to be nice & kind all the time left a very confused horse with no ideas of boundaries. He came to me as a last chance saloon after he'd knocked her over, rearing up at her.....supposedly every time he'd reared in hand before she'd just let him go :(
I had some epic battles with him & yes, like you say about Ned, sometimes what started as a small thing escalated into a full on battle because I was standing up to him, but I couldn't back down, not once! Now he is lovely :) my children can lead him & he's a (mostly ;) ) delight to own.
 
amymay said:
He is also completely and utterly lame.

Is it any wonder he objects to doing anything???
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Took the words right out of my mouth. This needs sorting. It's not because you're running and the camera is bouncing - he's lame. I watched it several times to be sure.
 
Nah said:
He's got a sensitive nose, his headcollar was FAR too tight when we got him and was cutting into his skin, it may have even broken his nose. So he really hates nose pressure.
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Everyone is saying he's being naughty - doesn't anyone understand why he's doing this??? A horse behaves like this almost always for a good reason, and I think he has a very good reason.
If he has experienced this sort of pain in the past, how can anyone think that giving him more of the same will help??
Yes he needs her to be a good leader, but he will never trust her enough to be a leader if she yanks on his nose, it will just reinforce his fear of pain from humans.
She has a very delicate problem to solve with him and only a very experienced horseperson will ever get him over his memories of previous abuse and pain. Letting him lead her will not help matters.
IMO, get someone like Richard Maxwell or Michael Peace or Mark Rashid to guide you through his careful rehabilitation, please.
 
My horse came to me with a broken nose and unable to be touched other than her face as well as other serious problems. She still had to accept nose pressure. She did so (with no aggression on my part as she would have met aggression with aggression!) and after a year of careful handling turned into a completely normal horse with no issues at all.

How do you know that the issues are caused by the "abuse" and not the handling? The op said herself the horse used to walk through the gate and leave the yard no problem and now doesn't. So why would that happen and how could you use the excuse of his past which is 5+ years ago and he has presumably been treated very well in the mean time.

Letting an abused horse do what it likes doesn't help the horse in anyway at all. Unless you just want to leave it in a field to eat grass and never be handled.

I agree he looks extremely lame too.
 
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Nah, your doing Ned no favours and you are also completely delusional if you think it's fine to allow your horse to become the leader, which is exactly what you have done. Well it's not!

I 'm a great advocate of NH and it's a place where I feel comfortable, but..........

If my mare gets bolshy or behaves dangerously, be it intentional or not, she is delt with firmly as Ned needs to be. I don't mean cruely or beating her, I mean with my body language, my voice and my actions which can and does include a slap.

This time of year they all get a bit arsey and need constant and firm handling. My mare tried to run off from me when I led her out to the field. Luckily and I don't know why I'd decided to, but I had her on a long rope. She tore around me leaping in the air, bucking and coming in to me quite dangerously! I made her lunge and pushed her on, growling at her till she'd had enough and then made her stand until I was ready to let her go. She NEVER behaves like that EVER!
And she hasn't since. One day she may though and I have to expect the unexpected.

Natural horsemanship is great but you have to be the natural leader and stay safe.
 
Nah, I have a lot of time for you and your normally mature attitude

However I think you are blinding yourself here I am afraid to say

The horse is pleasing himself on that walk and occasionally humouring you. He looks to have been recently ridden in that vid (saddle mark visible ad he walks along ploughed field) so presumably had been exercised already not needing a walk too

I can't help feeling that all youdo is play with this horse, where is the YO in all this? She would be seriously leaving herself open to problems if you got injured

Not to mention giving a lesson on a lame horse!

I KNOW you love Ned but think that it may be best to find another steed to befriend I'm sorry to be so harsh
 
WelshD said:
I KNOW you love Ned but think that it may be best to find another steed to befriend I'm sorry to be so harsh
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I don't think she needs to find another horse! That's a bit OTT. She just needs to listen to the constructive criticism that people on here have given her after watching the videos.

However, if he wasn't lame he may be more co-operative when asking him to leave the yard.

OP, can you not see his head bob when his front right foot hits the ground??
 
CobsGalore said:
I don't think she needs to find another horse! That's a bit OTT. She just needs to listen to the constructive criticism that people on here have given her after watching the videos.
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Actually, she probably does. The horse is not hers, but she has an arrangement with the YO whereby she can purchase him if she wants - so I think has him on some sort of part loan.

Regardless of whether he has problems or not - for her this horse is a danger. Not because the horse himself is dangerous, but because of the situations she finds herself in with him and her lack of experience. Oh and the fact that she's being taken for a ride by his owner............. How that person can possibly let Nah be put in such situations is beyond me. I hope they can live with themselves.
 
People! Goodness, lighten up on her, no one was their when the video was taken so how can you say? Beating him wont help and will make him more scared, please all I'm saying is it may be 'dangerous' the way she is walking down the road, but everyday riding is just as dangerous. She hasn't got hurt yet, and in all honesty he HAS improved, he is a delicate horse, she knows him personally so please don't judge if thats the way she wants to do it, let her :)
 
Agree that Bah should listen to constructive criticism but do worry that she has known this horse for 5+ years, a horse 'with issues' on the same yard not making a great deal of progress where he is used for riding lessons by someone who seems to be absent/indifferent to the horses behaviour and health
The OP shouldn't need to come here to sort this horses behaviour out, it's the responsibility of the owner who is running a riding school and should have the necessary experience
I'd love to know if anyone else on here is on the same yard and what their spin on this is!
 
Please Nah, listen to the people on this thread. That walking video is ridiculous you are putting yourself in danger.
I had a total angel of a pony who I walked out on roads never spooked/reared/bucked and knew how to pass cars safely he could have done it in his sleep but I would never have led him from where you lead ned! I used to longrein him but that was very different as I had pretty much the same amount of control as I would have had on him because I had aids (reins attached as normal and he went on voice commands) stand by his shoulder and lead him like a horse not a dog
 
Hi Nah,

I can't add anything that others here haven't already pointed out to you. I just wanted to say please take the advice that has been offered - its very good advice indeed! You are putting yourself in grave danger. You're also putting the horse and road users in danger by leading him out beside the road - even if its infrequently used (an unexpected vehicle is sometimes worse than constant traffic).

If in doubt get a good instructor to show you how to correctly lead a horse.
 
Hunni said:
People! Goodness, lighten up on her, no one was their when the video was taken so how can you say? Beating him wont help and will make him more scared, please all I'm saying is it may be 'dangerous' the way she is walking down the road, but everyday riding is just as dangerous. She hasn't got hurt yet, and in all honesty he HAS improved, he is a delicate horse, she knows him personally so please don't judge if thats the way she wants to do it, let her :)
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No-one is judging her, they are concerned about her. There are a lot of very experienced people contributing to this thread, and they are talking sense.
 
Hunni said:
People! Goodness, lighten up on her, no one was their when the video was taken so how can you say?
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Do you mean - there? People are concerned for her safety. So there is no 'lightening up' to do.


Beating him wont help and will make him more scared, please all I'm saying is it may be 'dangerous' the way she is walking down the road, but everyday riding is just as dangerous. She hasn't got hurt yet, and in all honesty he HAS improved, he is a delicate horse, she knows him personally so please don't judge if thats the way she wants to do it, let her :)
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No one has suggested beating him.

No, she hasn't got hurt YET (key word).

As for everyday riding being dangerous - the hobby is dangerous full stop. Which is why we do as much as we can to minimise the risk..........
 
OK I didn't realise it was that long ago, but still her lack of leadership which has caused this situation, now will have reminded him of his past when she has these battles with him.
FfionWinnie, you sound experienced enough to help out if she will recognise she needs some! Are you near enough?
I agree too, he is dog lame :( Perhaps this is what started him going "wierd"

Horses do their utmost to disguise any pain as they feel vulnerable, and that's why he looks so tense and flighty.
OP - wake up and listen to us for your safety and, if you love him - his wellbeing;)
 
I meant there. I'm on my phone and I have autocorrect(sorry for that!) I know we need to minimise the risk and I'm not going to go onto the video subject, but no one personally knows ned and if she thinks she can do it without anyone's help then leave it at that. You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.
 
Hunni said:
People! Goodness, lighten up on her, no one was their when the video was taken so how can you say? Beating him wont help and will make him more scared, please all I'm saying is it may be 'dangerous' the way she is walking down the road, but everyday riding is just as dangerous. She hasn't got hurt yet, and in all honesty he HAS improved, he is a delicate horse, she knows him personally so please don't judge if thats the way she wants to do it, let her :)
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I don't think anyone's said she should beat him.

The thing is though that she is leading him in an extremely dangerous way... everyday riding is NOT as dangerous. I don't even think she's 'leading' him at all - she's just holding onto the end of a lunge-line, but is totally ineffective. Should the horse decide to take off she would have absolutely no control.

The fact that she hasn't got hurt yet means nothing - she's just been darned lucky, that's all! If she continues to handle the horse in the same way then sooner or later she will be badly injured.
 
Hunni said:
I meant there. I'm on my phone and I have autocorrect(sorry for that!) I know we need to minimise the risk and I'm not going to go onto the video subject, but no one personally knows ned and if she thinks she can do it without anyone's help then leave it at that. You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.
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You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped but you can let someone who didn't know there was a problem know what that problem is and give them a chance to decide whether they want or need help.

Nah was blissfully unaware that there was a problem:(
 
Yes I agree the way she is leading him looks to be silly, but is their any way it may just be the view of the camera? I'm not saying it is but I'm just being open minded, there is some helpful critism on here but as I said before if she doesn't want to take it leave her be, it may be silly, but she is a grown woman, it's her choice :)
 
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