Ned's lameness, what do we think?

i think i looked at the right horse ? :S and someone can correct me if im totally wrong....

but i dont see a 'lame' horse - as in ouch my hoof/lower leg hurts and i cant put my weight on it.
its more of an inflexiblity and lack of push/power. even with all that rushing around he doesnt lift his back, tuck his 1/4's underneath or flex his hocks. its a stillted and jar'y movement with no 'swing'. he looks uncomfortable in trot, as if he is holding himself and being quite tense...like the up/down movement hurts... but he was more swing'y in walk.

hope you find a decent vet! and get all the problems sorted :)
 
Hi Nah, hope you get your vet and livery yard issues sorted soon.

Out of interest, which leg did your current vet/ you/ others think was the problem? I only ask because you mention the knee in this thread and to me the only leg moving distinctly awkwardly is the right hind.
 
I take it he is not insured? Even so a lameness work up on referral to somewhere like Rossdales would not break the bank. I am lucky as I am client of theirs and they offer payment plans for things that are no longer covered by my insurance. I.e. Nickel's hocks and suspensories in the hinds are no longer covered, so when he went a bit off they did me a nice deal on getting them injected at minimal cost.
 
I would also take a vet suggestion from auslander! I think shoeing remedially without X-rays or diagnosis is pretty unprofessional tbh - especially as last week she wanted the shoes off. If I were you I would be wary of giving said vet any more of my hard earned money as I think you might just end up spending more than if she'd diagnosed and then treated in the first instance.
 
Nah said:
It seems they offer a lot, though I can't see a price. I shall give them a call tomorrow as I don't work until 5pm, so I have almost the whole day to do... Ned stuff!
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Well I was going to say I'd ring the vets Aus recommended in the morning but you are already planning to do that. Vets very rarely put prices on their website but I'm sure if you ring and explain the situation they will bring a portable xray machine so if the vet feels its appropriate then they will be able to xray on the day rather than having to have another call out.


Any way, good luck, I hope with a new vet you can get to the bottom of his issues. Remember if they don't offer you a diagnosis or investigations to get you one you can ask for a referral.
 
DabDab said:
Hi Nah, hope you get your vet and livery yard issues sorted soon.

Out of interest, which leg did your current vet/ you/ others think was the problem? I only ask because you mention the knee in this thread and to me the only leg moving distinctly awkwardly is the right hind.
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I have to say, after watching that video, I'm another who is confused about the knee comment. Off hind it looks like to me too.
 
Spring Feather said:
I have to say, after watching that video, I'm another who is confused about the knee comment. Off hind it looks like to me too.
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I'm actually glad you both asked that.

It's his front left knee that he was lame on, which was really really obvious before I got his shoes done. He was nodding his head so badly even none horsey People at the yard could spot it without being prompted about which leg it was. Since the shoeing it’s become much less noticeable and YM said she could barely notice it.
The back lady and the vet said he wasn’t lame, but rather “stiff, tense and slightly uncomfortable” in one of his hind legs, which should be sorted with some tweaking done by the back lady. I need some sedative though as he will NOT like what the back lady will do. She did tweak a few bits in his neck and back. So, when the vet comes I need to get sedative, then get the back lady back and do his hips/etc.
 
And another vote for the off-hind.

Also we used Buckingham vets when I worked up your way and they were very good and reasonable from what I remember. Hope you can get him right soon. x
 
I agree with Laafet- multi limb lameness often appears as stiffness. Usually, once you block out the 'lamest' limb, if there is a lameness in one or more other legs, this can become more apparent. I think if you want to effectively treat this problem, you need to establish where/what the primary problem(s) are, which a full vet work-up should do. Then you can make informed decisions on how best to treat these and any secondary compensations.
God luck with him
 
Also it's worth mentioning to the vet who will do his work up and others that see him that he's a Standardbred as his action behind is obviously a bit different to something that will use its back and get under itself - he's really pushing out behind (just like mine does). Not saying its an excuse for his lameness as he is lame but I can't see where, but it can look a bit odd to people who aren't used to seeing them.
 
Nah said:
It's his front left knee that he was lame on, which was really really obvious before I got his shoes done. He was nodding his head so badly even none horsey People at the yard could spot it without being prompted about which leg it was.
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Does he pace, or trot normally? Reason I ask, is that if he is lame right hind, it could appear to be left front - they often fool you - been there! Remember that the legs move in diagonal pairs, so sore right hind could = appears lame on left fore. I got involved recently in a really interesting discussion between a bunch of vets about how when trotting a horse up, it is very common for non-vets to miss a hind limb lameness, because our attention naturally focuses on the front, where the horses face is, and its also the nodding end!

He could also have jarred up the front temporarily compensating for a sore hind.
 
Irishbabygirl - that is a good point. His hind legs come out quite wide too, much wider than his front legs, which could be making his hips bad possibly?
 
Auslander said:
Does he pace, or trot normally? Reason I ask, is that if he is lame right hind, it could appear to be left front - they often fool you - been there! Remember that the legs move in diagonal pairs, so sore right hind could = appears lame on left fore. I got involved recently in a really interesting discussion between a bunch of vets about how when trotting a horse up, it is very common for non-vets to miss a hind limb lameness, because our attention naturally focuses on the front, where the horses face is, and its also the nodding end!

He could also have jarred up the front temporarily compensating for a sore hind.
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He does both, he will trot normally naturally now, but if he's scared or excited he will pace.
Haha, now that is confusing!!!
yes, I had no idea anything was wrong at the back until the vet told me!
 
Irishbabygirl said:
Also it's worth mentioning to the vet who will do his work up and others that see him that he's a Standardbred as his action behind is obviously a bit different to something that will use its back and get under itself - he's really pushing out behind (just like mine does). Not saying its an excuse for his lameness as he is lame but I can't see where, but it can look a bit odd to people who aren't used to seeing them.
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The movement of the near hind looks pretty straight (as in Standardbred straight), but there is a distinct 'paddling' with the off hind. I could easily see it being compensation stiffness though, but what Auslander has just posted is interesting.
 
What are your yard requirements? I'm in Milton Keynes too. Currently at a yard in Yardely Gobion they may have spaces soon. I know of spaces at a yard in Puxley is that too far?
 
Just so you don't get a shock nah, I think its quite unlikely a vet you have never used before will let you have a payment plan. Different if you were an existing customer who had paid bills in the past promptly but I just think a new vet won't go for that. You could get a tesco credit card which is interest free for 16 months (when I got one anyway). I got it to fund a new saddle and I have not used it for anything else, it was just a free way to get credit for the saddle.
 
my_horse_toby said:
What are your yard requirements? I'm in Milton Keynes too. Currently at a yard in Yardely Gobion they may have spaces soon. I know of spaces at a yard in Puxley is that too far?
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Sadly a little too far! But thank you :)

The only requirements are that the fences will keep him in and 24hr turnout! I couldn't care less about facilities etc, just needs good fencing :) But I've witnessed him jump just under 6ft...so that's pretty hard!!
Though I have just had a text from the woman in Brickhill...I can have my friends space if she goes :D (she has 2, getting rid of one)
 
Nah said:
He does both, he will trot normally naturally now, but if he's scared or excited he will pace.
Haha, now that is confusing!!!
yes, I had no idea anything was wrong at the back until the vet told me!
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Ned, you may remember back to this thread that you posted in 2012.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?567108-Ned-Rearing-Video

People were telling you then that he was lame behind, but you chose to ignore it. I would say that this problem has been ongoing for some considerable time. I hope you find a vet who can get to the bottom of his problems.
 
I remember this video very clearly, not sure I have ever seen such a lame horse called sound. Nah, do keep us updated with how Ned gets on :(
 
Oh goodness, by all means ask me about that incident, but please don't drag that thread back up. I really really don't need it right now. Would you be able to remove the link?
 
Nah said:
Oh goodness, by all means ask me about that incident, but please don't drag that thread back up. I really really don't need it right now. Would you be able to remove the link?
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To your credit, unlike at least one poster on that thread who stormed off because she received some criticism, you have stuck around and taken a lot of advice... lhotse's out of time to remove it - you can ask admin but I don't know if they'd comply.
 
JFTD said:
To your credit, unlike at least one poster on that thread who stormed off because she received some criticism, you have stuck around and taken a lot of advice... lhotse's out of time to remove it - you can ask admin but I don't know if they'd comply.
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Bum :(
I just really don't want that fiasco to be brought up right now. My hair is literally falling out! I just put another clump in the bin...

I'm really trying to do my best for him. It's helpful actually owning him now, so I have 100% say in his care, which I didn't in that video.
 
I think people will understand that Nah so try not to worry. When i first read your 'Devastated' thread i did think back to that video and so it could be relevant

I dont think anyone would argue that you dont have Neds best interests at heart
 
Oh Nah, I don't think anyone could miss how much you love your horse. Everything will work itself out - to have lameness and livery issues at the same time is tough. You can only get the vet and go from there - it might be something that can be easily sorted once you know what you're dealing with.
 
Thanks guys :(
The livery issues are the worst. I was YO's star pupil and she proved this by giving me a horse! Since she left I feel like YM is trying to get me out of the loop, as it were. I never get told about any fun days, or pony days. She wasn't even going to tell me when 2 of the horses (that I'd known since I was a child) were going to be PTS, it was quite by accident that I found out.
She's lied to me several times and makes the most gigantic drama about the smallest of things.
I really really miss YO :( she ruled with an iron fist, but at least she treated all her liveries fairly.

I just need him out of there, even if it turns out I can never ride him again, I just need to be gone.
 
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