Ned's lameness, what do we think?

Sparklepony said:
Can you move vets and get the full work up done? Speak to them about a payment plan, I had nearly 4k of vets bills on an uninsured horse and they let me do a payment plan :)
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All of this seems good advice but I had the whole lameness diagnosis with loads of X-rays done with mine and the result was no conclusive diagnosis .Sometimes it just results in distress to the horse and insurance exclusions for nothing. The only thing that worked with mine was months of waiting.
 
I think for the most part you do get a diagnosis though, particularly when combined with nerve blocks - and as much as diagnosis ruling things out is just as important.

tbf to Ihotse nah when I suggested on a previous thread that ned had poss been having lameness issues for sometime I was thinking of previous videos including that one where he has not looked 100% sound and was not worked up at the time (as you didn't own him then). That is partly why I would be keen to get him looked at properly by someone who knows what they are doing because he can then be treated appropriately for whatever is going on in either/both legs/feet.
 
ester said:
I think for the most part you do get a diagnosis though, particularly when combined with nerve blocks - and as much as diagnosis ruling things out is just as important.

tbf to Ihotse nah when I suggested on a previous thread that ned had poss been having lameness issues for sometime I was thinking of previous videos including that one where he has not looked 100% sound and was not worked up at the time (as you didn't own him then). That is partly why I would be keen to get him looked at properly by someone who knows what they are doing because he can then be treated appropriately for whatever is going on in either/both legs/feet.
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This 100%.
 
lhotse said:
I thought you had already left?? Did you go back?
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FfionWinnie has it spot on.
I moved him, then he took himself home and I've just had to keep him there. The whole thing was embarrassing and frustrating. I need somewhere with fencing that not even a top Puissance horse could jump and although the fencing at the other yard really was excellent, it just wasn't high or wide enough, apparently!
I'm looking at a place with thick woodland all around and a fence-hedge-fence thing going on. If he jumps that...well, I've really wasted his jumping potential!!
 
RE his hoof problem - does he have long toes and under-run heels? If so, I just wanted to let you know that I have been through this and it can be fixed. Also poor hoof balance can cause problems in other parts of the body.
 
If money was not tight and ned needs a small section of field ..there is a company on eBay that sell a round pen / lunge pen for around £800 ..yes sounds a lot but r really helpful ..he won't be able to jump out and you can move it around onto a different patch on grass ..or ad a haynet or whatever ;) ..maybe wait till the vet has been back and then look for a plan of action ..:)
 
Yes, his hooves were far too low. The farrier has sorted it to an extent, but he said he'll need a wee bit more work before he's 100% happy with his hooves.
 
Nah said:
Yes, his hooves were far too low. The farrier has sorted it to an extent, but he said he'll need a wee bit more work before he's 100% happy with his hooves.
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At this point it's very important that the farrier and vet work together - can't stress this enough, and I'm really surprised that he's been remedially shod without reference to the vet first.

His problem will not resolve spontaneously, and the only way you're going to know what the future holds is to get him assessed properly, via a full lameness workup with xrays.
 
amymay said:
At this point it's very important that the farrier and vet work together - can't stress this enough, and I'm really surprised that he's been remedially shod without reference to the vet first.

His problem will not resolve spontaneously, and the only way you're going to know what the future holds is to get him assessed properly, via a full lameness workup with xrays.
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The vet did tell me to get the farrier to sort it out. I told him the vet said they were too low and long and he knew which ones to used.
I know it won't. I am getting the vet out asap.
 
I think you might find Ned has problems in more than just one leg.

I would be changing vet and getting full nerve blocks done, and then X rays.

Good luck.
 
Cheiro1 said:
I think you might find Ned has problems in more than just one leg.

I would be changing vet and getting full nerve blocks done, and then X rays.

Good luck.
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I wouldn't be quite so quick to recommend changing vets.

Horse isn't insured, and the current vet will be aware of this, and is possibly aware that there is little money to run a full diagnosis as the owner can't afford it.

So the vet has done nothing wrong. If an owner can't afford a full lameness workup - then the vet has no alternative other than to recommend the minimum that can be done to try and resolve the problem.
 
amymay said:
I wouldn't be quite so quick to recommend changing vets.

Horse isn't insured, and the current vet will be aware of this, and is possibly aware that there is little money to run a full diagnosis as the owner can't afford it.

So the vet has done nothing wrong. If an owner can't afford a full lameness workup - then the vet has no alternative other than to recommend the minimum that can be done to try and resolve the problem.
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Agree with this. Quite often we have clients coming in that are unable to afford a full work up so the vet can only treat symptomatically.
 
I really think that no matter how many times you approach the situation, and with however many different viewpoints you look at this, you cannot move on from the situation you find yourself in right now until you have had a diognosis.

I understand money is tight etc however this evidently is a long term lameness with the horse suffering however it is. I know you are trying to work things out to get things sorted but I just don't understand why people don't insure or seemingly have some form of back up plan when things go wrong with horses.
 
RunToEarth said:
I really think that no matter how many times you approach the situation, and with however many different viewpoints you look at this, you cannot move on from the situation you find yourself in right now until you have had a diognosis.

I understand money is tight etc however this evidently is a long term lameness with the horse suffering however it is. I know you are trying to work things out to get things sorted but I just don't understand why people don't insure or seemingly have some form of back up plan when things go wrong with horses.
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I agree with this. I don't mean to be harsh and she clearly loves the horse but this horse was lame in the first video i saw of him (the one taking him for a walk ) and there doesn't appear to be any progress with a diagnosis. The horse is still lame and in some degree of pain.

I hope you can get something sorted, even if you have to beg and borrow to get the vet to do a full work up. Then seriously consider insuring him.

All the best.
 
amymay said:
I wouldn't be quite so quick to recommend changing vets.

Horse isn't insured, and the current vet will be aware of this, and is possibly aware that there is little money to run a full diagnosis as the owner can't afford it.

So the vet has done nothing wrong. If an owner can't afford a full lameness workup - then the vet has no alternative other than to recommend the minimum that can be done to try and resolve the problem.
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Apparently Nah asked for x-rays and a work up and the vet recommended not bothering. Hence the recommendation to change vets.
 
JFTD said:
Apparently Nah asked for x-rays and a work up and the vet recommended not bothering. Hence the recommendation to change vets.
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Yep!

He isn't insured, no. I do have BSH gold now though.
The vet knows I am having money issues, but I also told her I have savings, just for things like this.
 
Nah said:
I'm really trying to do my best for him. It's helpful actually owning him now, so I have 100% say in his care, which I didn't in that video.
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I don't think any one is saying your not doing your best for him, it's clear to see you do every thing you can for him. I was really hoping that once you got away to a new yard you would find supportive knowledgable people to guide you with him. That's not ment in a nasty way at all as I'm sure many on here had the help of others when they first became a horse owner.

As for his feet I remember a post quite some time ago where it was commented that he had very long feet. You didn't own him then but did try to sort it. Is the farrier just correcting this? I wouldn't call that remedial farriery as such more correct shoeing but it will take time as if he does it too quickly it risks making him sore.

In any case I think a work up with nerve blocks and X-rays is the best course of action, preferably with the vets Auslander recommended. Did you ring them this morning? If so how did it go? If they don't provide a diagnosis I'd be looking for a referral to Newmarket as there are some of the best vets in the country there.
 
Nah, Frolic went lame about same time as Ned. His nerve blocks and x rays "only" came to just over £800. I know it's still a lot of money but not horrendous. Not all lameness investigations have to cost thousands.
 
I called Bucks vets and they’re coming to see me on Monday 
A tad later than I’d hoped, but oh well! At least they’re coming. They’re going to gives Scotts a call and get Ned’s history. In the meantime, I’m going to hunt for yards and attempt to get his pen shipshape again (a different horse broke it, so he can’t go back yet :/ not happy!!!!)
 
Have you asked your farrier for his thoughts? I know they are not "meant" to give advice, but I think they usually have a lot more knowledge of lameness issues than many a vet?
 
Does he respect electric ?. i used to have to put an extra line round about 4 foot inside which just mad him think twice before attempting to clear off. Hope you get sorted soon .
 
Sorry to go slightly off track, will reply properly when I'm home from work.
Soooo, the farmer just popped over. He said i can rent a field if i can find a friend for Ned.

The best part?

I can see the field from my bedroom!!
 
Nah said:
Sorry to go slightly off track, will reply properly when I'm home from work.
Soooo, the farmer just popped over. He said i can rent a field if i can find a friend for Ned.

The best part?

I can see the field from my bedroom!!
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Fencing, water?
 
Copperpot said:
Nah, Frolic went lame about same time as Ned. His nerve blocks and x rays "only" came to just over £800. I know it's still a lot of money but not horrendous. Not all lameness investigations have to cost thousands.
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Oof expensive. I'd be expecting to pay half that - providing there was no sedation needed and around 4 xrays.
 
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