Need a calmer for an overly excitable/strong horse.

All I can repeat is while hot horses remain hot they can be trained to be well behaved hot horses .
I can‘t see wants tricky , hot badly trained horse rider needs training how to retrain it it’s not an unusual situation .
I could give you loads of advice about a training schedule for this type of horses I have retrained many but I can tell by your reaction on this thread the first thing I would be working to change is the riders reactions .
 
Leo Walker said:
a calmer isnt going to fix this, neither is being rude to people who are trying to help and giving sensible advice
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If you don't have any advice stay off this thread. Thank you. I am not being rude to people. If you have got nothing useful to add just go elsewhere. I did not say ANYWHERE that a trainer would help. I am replying to the person telling me i need new trainers if they cannot fix it.
 
ThatConnieGal said:
If you don't have any advice stay off this thread. Thank you. I am not being rude to people. If you have got nothing useful to add just go elsewhere. I did not say ANYWHERE that a trainer would help. I am replying to the person telling me i need new trainers if they cannot fix it.
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Thats not how a forum works. You dont get to pick and choose who replies to you. I also said calmer not trainer, but quite clearly your trainers arent working either.
 
You don’t fix it

you train it there’s no quick fix no calmer will train a horse who is offering things you don’t want .
btw you start thread and off it goes you are not in control of who posts .
 
Goldenstar said:
You don’t fix it

you train it there’s no quick fix no calmer will train a horse who is offering things you don’t want .
btw you start thread and off it goes you are not in control of who posts .
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If I start an advice thread I want advice. Not people like you looking down your nose at me. I didn't come here to be bashed.
 
My view is that horses are not an exact science; every horse is an individual with its own history, temperament and physiology, not to mention genetic heritage. I have taken advice from a number of respected experts over the years, sometimes to the detriment of the horse. Every individual horse teaches us something new, IMHO. I'd like to add though, that my Connie X was much happier and more relaxed when turned out daily IN A HERD in all weathers. But again, one size does not necessarily fit all.
 
I have Arabs they can be hot and reactive to feed and I find a very basic non molasses diet helps massively, you mention pellet balancer I would think it contains molasses and it would send my 2 nuts so personally I would try a powder type balancer, when I got one of my Arabs 5 years ago it took him a while to settle so I put him on the global herbs TB calmer I think it really helped him you could try that.
 
We are enduring the wettest winter in years. Reduced or zero turnout can turn even the calmest horses a little bit crazy. We all just have to do the best we can until it’s over. I know at the moment it seems far away, but we’ll soon have more daylight and some lovely spring weather??

If he’s holding weight well, I would cut out all hard feed. His attitude under saddle is unlikely to change until he’s getting proper turnout and is able to act like a horse again. Arena turnout is better than nothing, but not the same and you also have the issue that the place you want him to work has become his playground.
 
ThatConnieGal said:
He is a very well behaved horse if you would take time to actually read what I have previously written. Again, I cannot understand your English.

Being rude to me is not going to help. I train horses for other people and they are always MORE than pleased with how they turn out, you aren't special in that aspect.

Calling me a "badly trained rider" is absolutely rude and I hope to god you stay off my post now as you are no help. The situation is already upsetting and frustrating and you are not helping by being a di*k.

And no, thanks, from your responses I would not take a training schedule from you anyway. Anyone who talks like that to someone cannot have the best training methods either.
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You say he is very well behaved, and yes I have read the whole thread, yet you also said that you had to leave 3 shows last summer because he was behaving badly

'In fact last summer we had to come home from 3 shows as he was so unbearable/bolty in the warm up. '

No wonder you are getting a variety of different opinions most of which think it a training issue not just a weather related one that will go once he can be turned out, I am surprised no one has mentioned ulcers as he could well be a candidate for them, being overreactive and worse with a change of routine are certainly symptoms, scoping may be worthwhile if you are still listening to suggestions other than a calmer.
 
be positive said:
You say he is very well behaved, and yes I have read the whole thread, yet you also said that you had to leave 3 shows last summer because he was behaving badly

'In fact last summer we had to come home from 3 shows as he was so unbearable/bolty in the warm up. '

No wonder you are getting a variety of different opinions most of which think it a training issue not just a weather related one that will go once he can be turned out, I am surprised no one has mentioned ulcers as he could well be a candidate for them, being overreactive and worse with a change of routine are certainly symptoms, scoping may be worthwhile if you are still listening to suggestions other than a calmer.
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Yes I had to leave due to the issue that this post is about. Not because he’s badly behaved. Because of his strongness and everything else I mentioned during ridden work.
As mentioned he has been seen by 3 vets and that included a scope for ulcers. Came back negative.
Everything has been checked and he’s 100% in every aspect.
 
Upthecreek said:
We are enduring the wettest winter in years. Reduced or zero turnout can turn even the calmest horses a little bit crazy. We all just have to do the best we can until it’s over. I know at the moment it seems far away, but we’ll soon have more daylight and some lovely spring weather??

If he’s holding weight well, I would cut out all hard feed. His attitude under saddle is unlikely to change until he’s getting proper turnout and is able to act like a horse again. Arena turnout is better than nothing, but not the same and you also have the issue that the place you want him to work has become his playground.
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It is absolutely awful and the zero turnout is driving me mad let alone my horses. Can’t wait for spring!

I am going to cut out the hard feed now for a while to see how it goes, do you think I should still feed the chaff? Or is there any point?
I know arena turnout isn’t the best but I just hate the thought of them being inside 24/7 ?

roll on spring ?
 
Bellaboo18 said:
I'm so confused you say he's not badly behaved; if being unbearable and bolting in a warm-up isn't badly behaved I'm not sure what is...
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he is a very well behaved and respectful horse in every other aspect. When he’s stressed or stabled he will become strong and occasionally bolty. I definitely don’t think stress is bad behaviour and if you do then I’d love to know the thought process behind that
 
Going in the school is bound to help a bit .
for horses bad in the warm up ( I had a really bad one ) stabling at shows where they can see the warmup is worth trying.
you need to work out if the horse is acting up and ignoring its training because it’s had bad experiences or because it’s excited .
if it’s the former you need to unpick what’s bothering the horse and address it .
if it’s excited you need to go to lots of unaffiliated shows enter a class spend loads of time hanging out in the warm up then go into the ring trot round and come out .
in time the horse will settle .
Horses who become strong in the manner you describe have training issues you can’t see the problem in isolation .
 
ThatConnieGal said:
he is a very well behaved and respectful horse in every other aspect. When he’s stressed or stabled he will become strong and occasionally bolty. I definitely don’t think stress is bad behaviour and if you do then I’d love to know the thought process behind that
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Bucking, rearing, bolting and being unbearable to ride are undesirable/bad behaviours. I'm not blaming the horse, he shouldn't be kept in such a stressful environment. You seem to think these are normal behaviours... I'd be looking at the cause of the behaviours not just a calmer to stick a plaster over the problem.
How do you feel about keeping a horse that's showing so many signs of stress?
Anyway it might be worth considering hind gut ulcers.
 
Bellaboo18 said:
Bucking, rearing, bolting and being unbearable to ride are undesirable/bad behaviours. I'm not blaming the horse, he shouldn't be kept in such a stressful environment. You seem to think these are normal behaviours... I'd be looking at the cause of the behaviours not just a calmer to stick a plaster over the problem.
How do you feel about keeping a horse that's showing so many signs of stress?
Anyway it might be worth considering hind gut ulcers.
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excuse you? Stressful environment? Care to explain? Because he’s a very happy horse and has absolutely everything he needs. Don’t assume things about my horse when you have absolutely ZERO idea. If I thought they were normal behaviours I wouldn’t be so annoyed about them/ asking for advice.
Don’t know what you mean about keeping a horse that’s showing signs of stress. If you’d just sell yours as soon as it acts up then god love any animal that comes to you.
As previously stated, he has been scoped for ulcers and came back negative.
 
ThatConnieGal said:
excuse you? Stressful environment? Care to explain? Because he’s a very happy horse and has absolutely everything he needs. Don’t assume things about my horse when you have absolutely ZERO idea. If I thought they were normal behaviours I wouldn’t be so annoyed about them/ asking for advice.
Don’t know what you mean about keeping a horse that’s showing signs of stress. If you’d just sell yours as soon as it acts up then god love any animal that comes to you.
As previously stated, he has been scoped for ulcers and came back negative.
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You cant scope for hind gut ulcers.
 
Being annoyed is a complete and inappropriate waste of energy you need to work to understand why the horse does what he does .
BTW if he’s not getting turnout he’s not getting everything he needs .
Why do you think he’s acting up in the warm up ?

Eta long slow work is always the best thing when horses are getting no turn out get out and walk for two hours whenever you can ,work the horse twice a day, load him up travel and work him in strange places .
Hack him to the shows or part of the way ride him until he’s calm and tired ,horses need to tired It’s good for their minds .
the benefits to a horse of long slow work to horse getting no turnout are huge .
 
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You say he has everything he needs but he doesn’t have turnout, other than a bit of time in the school to stretch his legs. I understand you say the fields are boggy and if you are on a livery then that may not be in your control to address it, I also understand your reservations regarding a previous injury, however, at this point the best thing you can do to help calm
Him is to give him proper turnout. Ideally 24/7 so he’s less likely to bugger about and cause injury. Is there no way you can find cheap grass livery for a few months?
 
CorriegarthJ said:
You say he has everything he needs but he doesn’t have turnout, other than a bit of time in the school to stretch his legs. I understand you say the fields are boggy and if you are on a livery then that may not be in your control to address it, I also understand your reservations regarding a previous injury, however, at this point the best thing you can do to help calm
Him is to give him proper turnout. Ideally 24/7 so he’s less likely to bugger about and cause injury. Is there no way you can find cheap grass livery for a few months?
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he’s stabled at home but turnout is not an option, he would be up to his knees and he’s prone to mud fever.
 
ThatConnieGal said:
If you want me to turn him out in absolutely bogging fields and have him do his suspensory again then then I don’t know what to tell you other than no f@#%ing way.
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At some point you are going to have to turn him out and the field still might be less than ideal, he’s also just as likely to injur himself on hard ground by buggering about, especially if you are going to keep Him in longer because of worry to injury. I think your horse is probably trying to tell you he is full of energy....too much that a quick lunge will cure
 
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