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i bought a horse a few days ago
went to ride it 3 times ect and it was good as gold. asked owner if it had been lame or anything, colic, vacs up to date wormed, all the usual stuff that you ask. and i was happy and bought the horse. i got a reciept which says what he came with ie : saddle and rugs ext, tried out and sold as seen.

that was 3 weeks ago.

since coming to my yard i have found that he windsucks and have contacted the old owner who said he didnt do it when he owned him and he wouldnt take him back as he was sold as seen and said before i bought a vet check was welcomed (although i didnt get one)

so what do i do?

is the old owner allowed to refuse to take him back because he was sold as seen and because i never had him vet checked or asked about wind sucking? any imput very welcome and hopefully asap so i can sort it out as soon as poss?

thank you
 
To be honest, I'm not sure you'll have much of a leg to stand on as you didn't get a vet check, plus if you didn't ask specifically if the horse had any vices and he told you no then I'm not sure there's much you can do!
 
Afraid to say you are probably on a sticky wicket with this one. Unless your receipt states vice free then doubt you would have much chance getting seller to take back.
 
What problems is the wind-sucking causing that you want to send him back?

My friend imported a horse years ago that wind-sucked, never had any issues with the horse (he did colic once but that was because the greedy pig was eating his straw and was promptly put onto shavings to stop it happening again), he was stabled directly opposite my horse for years with about a 7.5ft aisle between them, she never wanted to start wind-sucking so I've never been convinced about other horses copying them, he now has rubber over the top of his door to prevent any damage to the door (new door made by her OH and he's a bit protective about his work!!!!)
 
someone told me today that the old owner (or seller) now has to declare that a horse windsucks?? is this true or is this only if the buyer has asked if the horse does it?
 
How did you find out that he windsucks? did he do it as soon as you got him home or has it started recently? maybe it's the change of yard and he is stressed.
 
Could it be stress related? From moving to a new place?
Unfortunately I don't think you can do anything as:
1: You did not have it vetted.
2: It is stated to be sold as seen.
There are ways of managing windsuckers.
E.G Putting a "windsucking station" in the middle of the field, a sacrificial piece of wood or pole of fencing. Creosote the rest. Same in his stable. Give him something to windsuck on and creasote where you don't want him to windsuck.
I would also call the vet out about the possibility of ulcers. If he has ulcers and he is treated, the windsucking may be minimised greatly.
If the horse fits your bill in every other way, then windsucking is a comprimise.
 
JAGER BOMB :) said:
i know it sounds horrible not wanting a horse just because he windsucks but he is already ruining my stables and fencing
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the rubber over the door will help the door, to be fair my friends horse didn't do it out in the field (but being a posh dressage horse he didn't always get out very much).

There are devices on the market (and I am currently putting my tin hat on) that are similar to electric collars for dogs that are activated when the horse draws in breath, I'm not sure I agree with them in principle and a lot of people say that some horses become distressed when they don't get to suck.
We did try the 'Miracle Collar' and it didn't help, not sure what else is on the market, I only know about the electric one as someone had posted a thread a few months ago about it.
 
From what can gather from friends purchases of horses, a vet can tell if horse windsucks/cribs from the shape of their teeth? IF this is correct (don't jump on me if its not lol)
 
sarahw123 said:
From what can gather from friends purchases of horses, a vet can tell if horse windsucks/cribs from the shape of their teeth? IF this is correct (don't jump on me if its not lol)
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yes but even if the vet says he windsucks which i already know he does, because i didnt ask the old owner if her does or not he didnt have to tell me? so now i cant send him back.
 
yard owner will not let me adjust the stables and it is post and rail fencing in his part of the paddock (yard is quite posh) even tho im not lol. so not sure what to do now :(

thank you everyone for the honest opinions and help xx
 
JAGER BOMB :) said:
i know it sounds horrible not wanting a horse just because he windsucks but he is already ruining my stables and fencing
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I would put a metal strip on the stable door to protect it as thats the most likely place for the horse to get hold , and although its not going to be popular here I'd run an electric rope along the top of your fencing to stop that being used. If the horse has plenty of hay or hay mixed with good straw that will help, and when he has settled in and relaxed more it should reduce the amount he does it.
Could be worth having him checked for ulcers as they could be the cause of it, but other than that try to ignore it as you had the option for a vetting before you bought and sadly did not do that. I have had a windsucker and once relaxed it reduced a lot and I had a fantastic horse and yes I bought knowing about the problem.
 
I believe that any vice and certain illnesses (laminitis and sweet itch) must be disclosed by a seller.

A vet should be able to tell if there is excess wearing on the teeth from windsucking.

Personally though I have had a windsucker and he never caused me any problems and nothing ever copied him either (that also goes for the two weavers I have had)

I think you need to get proper advice as to grounds for returning. I can see your point though - a declared windsucker will cost significantly less than a horse that does not.

However, if you tried the horse three times how come you missed it windsucking yourself?
 
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=19098

doubt it will help but there is an article you may find a bit useful. I personally don't like windsuckers but its just that I find them irritating, however, there is no reason why you can't try and manage this situation, If I had a horse that ticked the box in every way, I would. My only gripe would be that such vices significantly devalue a horse and I suspect that since you did not know about it, you probably didn't get the discount.
 
JAGER BOMB :) said:
yes but even if the vet says he windsucks which i already know he does, because i didnt ask the old owner if her does or not he didnt have to tell me? so now i cant send him back.
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I know it's a crappy situation unfortunately. My point was actually pointless to your situation really - basicly it may have been uncovered before you parted with your money if you had a vet check done. But I guess you know that now.
As for them taking her back - as you declined the check and it states sold as seen I'm not sure if you have a leg to stand on :confused:
But some good advise has been given with regards to managing it - I know a few horses that have stopped with the help of stuff painted on stable doors etc
 
This is quite interesting
here

I know you didn't have the horse vetted but really you have been duped by the seller. When you went to see the horse was there evidence of windsucking in the stable? I am surprised you didn't see the horse do it or even hear it then - maybe the stress of moving or management routine has increased the windsucking temporarily.
 
I also find it strange that you didn't notice the horse wind sucking when you went to see it - if its that bad that it also does it in the field. Or has the horse become so stressed since you took it on?

Does it devalue a horse that much? It wouldn't put me off that much..

Can't you try Cribbox etc on the stable and see if it settles down - its still fairly new, and could change no end in the future. Some of the nicest horses I have known were wind suckers - they just needed a lot of fuss and calm to settle them and they turned into lovely horses that really trusted you..
 
RebelRebel said:
This is quite interesting
here

I know you didn't have the horse vetted but really you have been duped by the seller. When you went to see the horse was there evidence of windsucking in the stable? I am surprised you didn't see the horse do it or even hear it then - maybe the stress of moving or management routine has increased the windsucking temporarily.
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To what extent though, will this vice impair the horses ability to do its job? I agree, that there should/would have been evidence in the stable, and it is very possible that this was stress triggered, but I would be positive that at some time the seller had seen the horse exhibiting this behaviour.

OP has this seller sold any other horses recently? Or was this a definate one off private sale. You could have some recompense if the person has sold 3 or more horses in the last 12 months.
 
RebelRebel said:
This is quite interesting
here

I know you didn't have the horse vetted but really you have been duped by the seller. When you went to see the horse was there evidence of windsucking in the stable? I am surprised you didn't see the horse do it or even hear it then - maybe the stress of moving or management routine has increased the windsucking temporarily.
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Very helpful article. So this is basically saying that the OP does have comeback if the seller is a professional dealer.
 
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