Need to re-home my adult Weimaraner

I too have had a private message from the OP, and there is nothing to be gained by further speculation. Sadly, the OP has had something of a baptism of fire. My honest view is now, that the dog should go to meet its maker, it's the better way.

Alec.
 
zigzag said:
I know how you feel OP, I had a GS , however baby was 6 weeks old, dog growled at baby when in car carrier, went for her and would have had her if I hadn't kicked dog out of way, she went to vets an hour later, on vets advice she said she was too old to rehome at age 12.
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No comparison.
 
Alec Swan said:
I too have had a private message from the OP, and there is nothing to be gained by further speculation. Sadly, the OP has had something of a baptism of fire. My honest view is now, that the dog should go to meet its maker, it's the better way.

Alec.
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So what is the full story??
 
So let me get this straight, we have been chastised on posting what we have, based on the facts given, by a member who now has more facts that are different from what the op put?

So did the dog intentionally and with no provocation attack the child? Has there been previous form? Seriously I've had dogs all my life, various different breeds and types but blummin hell unless your going to tell the full facts don't waste peoples time.

If the dog deliberately attacked then PTS.
 
I wonder if those reading this have any idea what the working test for hunter-retrievers breeds (of which the W is one) used to be in Germany 70 odd years ago?

The test was for a general purpose hunter's dog and included the retrieve of a brailed duck from water, follow a blood trail, retrieve of a dead fox (1,000 metres), point and retrieve game (pheasant/hare), etc. and (wait for it!) kill a cat! A German friend announced not so long ago that they still do the test but the retrieve of a dead fox had been reduced to 500 metres!

I'd suggest that the genes are probably still there and not too far below the surface either. Working breeds were never bred to be house pets and, to be fair to the dog, it probably should have been outside in a kennel when not actually doing a job of work. But then I'm a purist.
 
Tiddlypom said:
I would be treating this an a one off. I imagine that your daughter has learnt her lesson about surprising a dog whilst it is asleep, so look on it as an opportunity to educate her about behaving with consideration amongst animals.

We had two dogs when our boys were young (birth onwards), and it was an absolute rule that the children never, ever disturbed the dogs whilst they were in their baskets. It also meant that the dogs both knew that if they had enough of being played with, they could signal 'game over' by heading to their beds.
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I cant agree more than that
 
Dry Rot said:
I'd suggest that the genes are probably still there and not too far below the surface either.
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The genes for retrieving foxes and following blood trails, yes, I see no mention of mauling children.

And completely irrelevent in relation to the thread but because I cannot settle while Someone Is Wrong On The Internet, there's at least a couple of working breeds historically bred for their usefulness as house pets. Well, tent pets.
 
Dry Rot said:
I wonder if those reading this have any idea what the working test for hunter-retrievers breeds (of which the W is one) used to be in Germany 70 odd years ago?

The test was for a general purpose hunter's dog and included the retrieve of a brailed duck from water, follow a blood trail, retrieve of a dead fox (1,000 metres), point and retrieve game (pheasant/hare), etc. and (wait for it!) kill a cat! A German friend announced not so long ago that they still do the test but the retrieve of a dead fox had been reduced to 500 metres!

I'd suggest that the genes are probably still there and not too far below the surface either. Working breeds were never bred to be house pets and, to be fair to the dog, it probably should have been outside in a kennel when not actually doing a job of work. But then I'm a purist.
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Had setters, springers, collies, CKCs (yes toy breed lol ) Labradors, grown up with GSDs, close family bred Rottweilers and staffies I could go on lol.

I prefer active breeds as I collectively call them (although the CKCs were just adorable and did walk for miles ;) ) with having horses I take them on hacks so they have to have good recall and heeling abilities so yes I would say that I know hunting dogs and I would never let a child wake a sleeping dog. However all my dogs had kids crawl all over them and they got up and left when they had had enough.

I wouldn't leave a kid alone with any dog.
 
Christmas Kia said:
So let me get this straight, we have been chastised on posting what we have, based on the facts given, by a member who now has more facts that are different from what the op put?

So did the dog intentionally and with no provocation attack the child? Has there been previous form? Seriously I've had dogs all my life, various different breeds and types but blummin hell unless your going to tell the full facts don't waste peoples time.

If the dog deliberately attacked then PTS.
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I totally agree with you.
 
I feel that posters are being unfairly chastised simply because we don't have the full details. It is all very well to say that we are being overly harsh but with the limited information available no one has been. If this is a 'baptism of fire' then it is entirely understandable. A forum of animal lovers is hardly going to take kindly to an animal being rehomed on the basis of one completely avoidable accident.

OP - apparently this situation is more serious and complicated than your post conveys. You have been given links to breed rescues. Personally, I would advertise in a local shop and vet any potential takers as best you can. If you have found nothing within a certain timeframe I would PTS. A horrible thing to have to do but given the state of rescue homes it is the kindest thing to do.
 
Anyone could have got the full details - I don't know the OP but I did message her suggesting an option or two, and she rang me.
She (understandably as it turns out!) was reluctant to post her life story on here - when we spoke she was upset enough at having to rehome her beloved family pet but was putting her children first. I personally don't know anyone who has changed their carefully considered mind after being criticised by strangers?
Another kind forum member with more experience of the breed got in touch with me and I passed the contact on, which in turn has led to a long conversation with someone from the breed rescue. Up to then they had refused to even consider rehoming a dog with a history of aggression to a child regardless of the circumstances. In any breed rescue there are good and bad - I offered to home one on a websiteo f another breed rescue and never even got a response.
Hopefully there is now light at the end of the tunnel - time will tell but there are now a few options. It has been a very difficult decision and with luck it won't turn out to be the most harrowing of all.
 
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Christmas Kia said:
Had setters, springers, collies, CKCs (yes toy breed lol ) Labradors, grown up with GSDs, close family bred Rottweilers and staffies I could go on lol.

I prefer active breeds as I collectively call them (although the CKCs were just adorable and did walk for miles ;) ) with having horses I take them on hacks so they have to have good recall and heeling abilities so yes I would say that I know hunting dogs and I would never let a child wake a sleeping dog. However all my dogs had kids crawl all over them and they got up and left when they had had enough.

I wouldn't leave a kid alone with any dog.
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As you say.:)
 
I don't really see the point of this thread. If the OP only wanted advice on how to rehome the dog it should be very evident that she should call rescues and get the advice directly. If there is some awful backstory that the OP is not willing to share on the thread but only cryptically to any member who PMs her, why post the thread in the first place?
 
"I'd suggest that the genes are probably still there and not too far below the surface either. Working breeds were never bred to be house pets and, to be fair to the dog, it probably should have been outside in a kennel when not actually doing a job of work. But then I'm a purist.[/QUOTE]



DR - ^^^^^^ What absolute rubbish. Are you seriously suggesting that all Labradors /Spaniels/Pointers/Setters etc are barely disguised child molesters that are too dangerous to be a pet ? Wow.
 
Booboos said:
I don't really see the point of this thread. If the OP only wanted advice on how to rehome the dog it should be very evident that she should call rescues and get the advice directly. If there is some awful backstory that the OP is not willing to share on the thread but only cryptically to any member who PMs her, why post the thread in the first place?
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Agree with this completely. If there is some other story what's the point of not telling it ? I actually posted to say I may know someone who could offer ( the dog described ) a wonderful home, and indeed she is interested, but have not heard anything from the OP, nor indeed has the OP revisited this page with more info. . Other posters have 'hinted' at 'other issues' which is actually very unhelpful and also a bit pointless.

Over and out from me - I hope she does the right thing by her loyal pet of nine years, whatever that my be, hard to say as I'm not a mind reader
 
this sort of cryptic mind game when it comes to re-homing dogs, you know 'I tell you one thing you have to read between the lines and guess the rest' is what prevented me from rehoming dogs whilst my children were young and more vunerable, if a dog that you want to re-home has history ANYONE you involve in the whole home finding expedition needs to know the whole truth-if you are not willing to give it on the forum where you are asking for help then you should not post.

as for anyone could have the information if they PM'd the OP are we to do that with every post to get the full story? if so what a waste of time. If you ask for help or advice/opinions on here be prepared to hear things you don't like and take it on the chin and give the full facts not some edited version or any help advice offered is useless anyway
 
Booboos said:
I don't really see the point of this thread. If the OP only wanted advice on how to rehome the dog it should be very evident that she should call rescues and get the advice directly. If there is some awful backstory that the OP is not willing to share on the thread but only cryptically to any member who PMs her, why post the thread in the first place?
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And so it would seem. I also agree with you, but it's the OP's wish that our conversations will not be repeated, and that I'm bound to adhere to. I can say this though, I suspect that the OP, is one of those rare people who when in a hole, has decided to stop digging, and wisely so in my view. The initial reactions to the question put, were not only unhelpful, but some were a disgrace. For others to land on the poster, as they did, was embarrassing to witness. Had the opening responses been of a positive nature, instead of the onslaught which they were, then further information may well of been forthcoming.

I've also read the views of some to whom previously, respect was due. There has been a great deal of hypothesis and some of the suggestions have been bizarre, at best! Previously, it seems to me, AAD has always been a kindly and reasonable section of this forum. It seems that this is now changing, and that's a pity.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
And so it would seem. I also agree with you, but it's the OP's wish that our conversations will not be repeated, and that I'm bound to adhere to. I can say this though, I suspect that the OP, is one of those rare people who when in a hole, has decided to stop digging, and wisely so in my view. The initial reactions to the question put, were not only unhelpful, but some were a disgrace. For others to land on the poster, as they did, was embarrassing to witness. Had the opening responses been of a positive nature, instead of the onslaught which they were, then further information may well of been forthcoming.

I've also read the views of some to whom previously, respect was due. There has been a great deal of hypothesis and some of the suggestions have been bizarre, at best! Previously, it seems to me, AAD has always been a kindly and reasonable section of this forum. It seems that this is now changing, and that's a pity.

Alec.
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Quite a few people on AAD are involved with rescue organisations, or have rehomed rescue dogs or have worked hard to turn around dogs with behavioural issues so it's understandable if there is a certain amount of frustration with someone who, apparently, wants to rehome an elderly dog after a minor, preventable incident. It sounds callous so it puts people's backs up. If there is more to this story then maybe the rehoming makes more sense, but how are posters to know this? Of course you should not disclose confidential information but the OP should either return and clarify for everyone or re-think the wisdom of posting half a story.
 
Alec Swan said:
And so it would seem. I also agree with you, but it's the OP's wish that our conversations will not be repeated, and that I'm bound to adhere to. I can say this though, I suspect that the OP, is one of those rare people who when in a hole, has decided to stop digging, and wisely so in my view. The initial reactions to the question put, were not only unhelpful, but some were a disgrace. For others to land on the poster, as they did, was embarrassing to witness. Had the opening responses been of a positive nature, instead of the onslaught which they were, then further information may well of been forthcoming.

I've also read the views of some to whom previously, respect was due. There has been a great deal of hypothesis and some of the suggestions have been bizarre, at best! Previously, it seems to me, AAD has always been a kindly and reasonable section of this forum. It seems that this is now changing, and that's a pity.

Alec.
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Alec

You will see that I was a very early poster, and if fail to see how my post can be described as anything other than showing understanding and advice and help in rehoming it, so the premise of your post above is flawed. Indeed many of the early posts just basically asked her to reconsider - what's wrong with that ? Any post on any forum opens itself up to comments helpful and otherwise and she did nothing to help her cause by disappearing.

The OP described as scenario which, to many, was frankly appalling. She was basically saying that a loyal lovely pet of 9 years had to go because of a tiny incident to which it seems she was overreacting out of shock. How else could it be read? How else could it be judged ? You may be one of the wonderful few with 'the full facts' by PMing - well done - but as someone else commented earlier, are we expected to PM every post for 'the real story''? Her post was taken at face value and commented on accordingly. She may not of liked some of the responses but that's how it goes isn't it, given the subject of the post, on a dog lovers forum.
 
Bestdogdash said:
Alec

You will see that I was a very early poster, and if fail to see how my post can be described as anything other than showing understanding and advice and help in rehoming it, so the premise of your post above is flawed. Indeed many of the early posts just basically asked her to reconsider - what's wrong with that ? Any post on any forum opens itself up to comments helpful and otherwise and she did nothing to help her cause by disappearing.

She was basically saying that a loyal lovely pet of 9 years had to go because of a tiny incident to which it seems she was overreacting out of shock. How else could it be read? How else could it be judged ? You may be one of the wonderful few with 'the full facts' by PMing - well done - but as someone else commented earlier, are we expected to PM every post for 'the real story''?
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Totally agree. I was 'first responder' on this thread partly because I could foresee the OP may get a very rough ride on what is the most scary HHO sub forum. I think that she got off pretty lightly compared to what I feared that many comments would be. I posted as a Mum and ordinary dog lover, not as a specialist rehomer or behaviourist. I fully stand by what I posted then, based on the info given at the time.

If the OP had come back on to tell us there was more to this than she initially posted, then fair enough. Instead a few people seem to be getting pms, leaving the rest of us scratching our heads.

I could actually have been interested in rehoming this dog myself, but we still don't know if she is good with other dogs, along with other missing info.
 
Dobiegirl said:
You really are the biggest **** stirrer on this thread, people like you who run with the hare and hunt with the hounds quickly lose their credibility, your earlier digs at clicker training were hardly helpful and added nothing to this thread. The OP could have been the queen of England for all we know, we still dont know her from Adam so why withold the truth? not all of us are blessed with crystal balls, people lie when they dont get the response they are expecting, its life, Im not saying the OP lied but we were not told the truth in the beginning so draw your own conclusions from that. Anyway you have spoken to the OP and believe what you have been told just like we all did with the information in the opening post, has it occurred to you that even now you may not know the full story so instead as painting yourself whiter than white and the AAD guru take a leaf out of your own book and make sure you are in full receipt of the facts before criticising members of this forum who were only told one half of a very bizarre and changing story.
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Exactly
 
Alec Swan said:
......Had the opening responses been of a positive nature, instead of the onslaught which they were, then further information may well of been forthcoming.

......Previously, it seems to me, AAD has always been a kindly and reasonable section of this forum.
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Agree about the responses.
With regards to the second part of the quote......has it!? Must say I've never considered AAD to be a particularly kindly section of the forum.
I was accused of base cruelty for keeping my terrier pups outside in summer, and accused of being a puppy farmer for daring to sell my pups for actual money! Perish the thought! :eek3:
Of the many many responses to my last thread on here I can count the helpful ones on one hand.
I don't have hands, or feet enough though to count the nasty, accusing and downright rude ones.

(FWIW, all my puppies bar one are living happily in pet homes and I am in regular contact with the four that were homed close by. They seemed to have survived the ordeal of being cared for by a callous and cold hearted puppy farmer :rolleyes3:)

amymay said:
Well whatever the story let's hope there's a satisfactory outcome.
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Very true.
The OP may not have chosen to share her life story with us, but it's hardly anyone's right to demand it and get all sniffy when it's not given.
Just give then your best wishes and move on.
 
Bestdogdash said:
"I'd suggest that the genes are probably still there and not too far below the surface either. Working breeds were never bred to be house pets and, to be fair to the dog, it probably should have been outside in a kennel when not actually doing a job of work. But then I'm a purist.
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DR - ^^^^^^ What absolute rubbish. Are you seriously suggesting that all Labradors /Spaniels/Pointers/Setters etc are barely disguised child molesters that are too dangerous to be a pet ? Wow.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am. Perhaps not all but certainly many. And, if you knew anything about breeding and training, you'd agree with me.

It depends entirely on the circumstances, which we all hope do not put any animal into a situation where it feels threatened and needing to protect itself.

I would suggest that 70 years is not long enough to breed out these characteristics entirely -- at least not without a lot of inbreeding and selective culling. But then the documentary "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" claimed that that is happening, so there we go.
 
SnowOnSnow said:
The OP may not have chosen to share her life story with us, but it's hardly anyone's right to demand it and get all sniffy when it's not given.
Just give then your best wishes and move on.
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No life stories required, just a bit more info about the dog. From someone who could have offered her a home, subject to the dog being ok with other dogs, sheep and horses.

Anyhoo, the OP is lying low, so I will bow out now.
 
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