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TrasaM said:
I looked it up. It's a Romany term for roadside caravan dwellers who are not Romany and is a derogative term.
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Exactly and those I was referring to was in a derogative way and in the same way I would refer to the many horrible and evil humans in any culture. True Romany gypsies are good people and I doubt they condone the 'other travelling' community.
 
Just a pondering... are all trotters shod? This may be detracting from the "spelling" and "traveller" arguments but I just wondered what thoughts were on barefoot trotters?
 
Rileyboy said:
Im not a Romany gypsy I am Irish I think its indivduls not history as such. Its nice to see all the great coments on here tho
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I agree - we all like to generalise don't we and I have nothing against people travelling either I would imagine it's a good life as long as they respect other people, their animals and the land. Sadly I come across many that don't and they are a threat to society :)
 
Rileyboy said:
Im not a Romany gypsy I am Irish I think its indivduls not history as such. Its nice to see all the great coments on here tho
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:) I'm from the west of Ireland originally and I remember when we still had the old fashioned horse drawn caravans going past. Especially in summertime. There used to be an old man called Rainey, I think, who used to play the fiddle at each house for money. My mother always used to buy her tin cans from them. To us they were Tinkers and it was not seen as an insult just a word based on what most did to earn some money. A couple of families settled in the area back in the 70s and have now blended in so the boundaries can be broken down.
Last year there was a right old battle when one family from Mayo got upset when a girl their son was to marry, married someone else. They turned up at the house the girls family lived in and tried to sort it out the old fashioned way. There were quite a few carted off to hospital and the Gardai station by the end. Although I think the cops took the view of "fight amongst yourselves lads" and only went in to clear up afterwards when it was safe.
 
Lovely horses you have there. Anyone who keeps horses in such good condition and has an eye for a good animal is ok in my book.
There will always be a market for a quality traditional cob, which are a thousand miles away from the indiscriminately bred animals, just as not all TB's are equal, so it is with cobs.
Good to see your lot and quite agree about the 'tash, it's magnificent.
 
shal put some more up soon, with Morris the shetland to, im proud of my routes,ther are always people to ruine it in any race and cultur.

Nice to hear stories when we do all mix wel
 
There are some long established traveller families round here. They have an assortment of coloured or bay ponies and a rather good coloured stallion. They put them on available fields around, and as far as I am aware, they pay rent and if asked to leave they do so.
The ponies have hay in winter and although not kept "in luxury" are generally in reasonable condition.
 
YasandCrystal said:
I totally agree and think Romany gypsies are the salt of the earth. It is the diddicoys and new age travellers that steal and leave piles of filth and litter and ignore planning laws, treat their animals badly and threaten people and rip people off doing poor quality driveways that have a bad reputation.
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YasandCrystal said:
Exactly and those I was referring to was in a derogative way and in the same way I would refer to the many horrible and evil humans in any culture. True Romany gypsies are good people and I doubt they condone the 'other travelling' community.
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I'm very uncomfortable with these posts. There's an element of racism in them, tbh. No person should be written off and spoken of in derogatory terms because of their origins or cultural group. Not "true Romanies"? So what?


Rileyboy said:
Im not a Romany gypsy I am Irish I think its indivduls not history as such. Its nice to see all the great coments on here tho
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Well said. Individuals, bad or good, exist in every community. Everyone has a right to be accepted for themselves, without prejudice.
 
Well said FionaM12. :)

For those who don't know.
Gypsy..(believed to be a corruption of Egyptian). Roma / Romany have their origins in India. They are a distinct ethnic group. They have probably been plying their trade ( and being persecuted) for centuries across the middle east and Europe.

Irish travellers ..Tinkers.. Are well, Irish :) Again there is an ethnic separation between them and the general Irish population. This is probably due to them marrying within their own groups to retain their traditions over the centuries.
They probably originated from travelling bards and trades folk although war and dispossession may have added to the number.
They are in no way connected to the Romany people although their lifestyle both historically and at present are very similar.

Please give some though to what it is like to be chased from pillar to post and persecuted throughout history. How trusting do you think you would be of society if this were your history? And new age travellers..they too are exercising their right to chose. Live and let live :)
 
FionaM12 said:
I'm very uncomfortable with these posts. There's an element of racism in them, tbh. No person should be written off and spoken of in derogatory terms because of their origins or cultural group. Not "true Romanies"? So what?




Well said. Individuals, bad or good, exist in every community. Everyone has a right to be accepted for themselves, without prejudice.
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This^^^ as was I Fiona. My usual test is that if someone wouldn't use the term to describe themselves and own it then it's possibly best to steer clear.
 
Just seen the thread with Morris he is a doll, I think he and Riley want to come and live in my field:D

I used to have a coloured cob he was my horse of a lifetime and was a big stamp of a lad. I used to take it as a real compliment that the local traveller who lived in an old style painted wagon used to offer me cash for him every time we met as his horses were immaculate and in really good order.
 
TrasaM said:
Well said FionaM12. :)


Please give some though to what it is like to be chased from pillar to post and persecuted throughout history. How trusting do you think you would be of society if this were your history? And new age travellers..they too are exercising their right to chose. Live and let live :)
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Just watched Disney's version of Hunchback of Notre Dame and the way Frollo spoke of the Gypsies was horrible! Doesn't seem to have changed much though :(

I believe in disliking the individual for their actions, not the group for being who they are.

I posted on facebook about something similar. I saw a post saying (paraphrasing, too rude to post) "Horrible Scottish man!!" when "Horrible man!!" would have been perfectly fine. Makes me cross!

Riley - sorry to hear you had and are still having a bad time! I have only ever met one proper Gypsy and she gave me a painted horse shoe. It's beautiful!
 
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Your horses are gorgeous :)

Ours are all unrugged... even the tb's :eek: They all have good coats, shelter and forage. If they need rugging they will be but last year only the two older broodies required it for a couple of days.

In terms of the abuse, while I wouldn't go out of my way to be rude to anyone as you've experienced, most travellers locally I wouldn't p*ss on if they were on fire unfortunately.
I've had a horse lorry attempted to be run off the road, luckily OH was infront and used his truck to scare them off. Thanks god they backed off when he got out his truck as I would've been happier with the lorry going then him.
I've had my car almost totalled when a water trug was thrown under it.
I've had a work office taken over and trashed by them.
They are on land opposite us without having paid rent for several years and trashing the place.
My friend rescued a horse off them who has welts deeper then my fist beaten into him.
One major lot near me has horses in appaling condition and when the father was banned from keeping horses he simply puts them in other family names.
And we've had a tralier load of horses emptied by a numpty on a main road resulting in several shot and several cars written off.
They are theives local to me and very nasty people who have unfortunately earned their reputation. While they may be the minority it's enough to make me very cautious.

In contrast the romanys used to camp on our land and leave it in great condition, never had a problem with them there and one of my friends will only buy horses off them, beautiful things (same condition as yours) and never a problem handling or ill. Very friendly people.

So whilst I wouldn't tar them over the country and there is a one lot of travellers locally who I have a lot of time for, great horses and always chatty, I can understand why people do have a problem or are cautious around them. It's not nice, but after a while the reputation precedes a community.

Hold your head high knowing your horses are in good condition and you are an honest person and ignore the people who are rude to you. Soon enough people will work out that they're the ones causing trouble not you.
Also report it if necessary, there's no reason that you should have to accept abuse any more than they should.
 
Welcome! I don't really 'do' cobs or coloured horses, but yours look very, happy, healthy, well cared for and content - and that's all anyone can ask.

I have met a few travellers (although like you they live in houses so more static that traveller lol!!), and their horses were treated very well and never went without anything regardless of cost.

And good on your Dad, I hope he told the old miserable git to shove it!!
 
Sorry to here that pandora I feel the need to apoligse for them. Like I said I bet they are the ones who dunt mix with non travellers n sadly they dunt realise nt everyone hates us. Its them who taar us all. Most travellers r good with ther horses as they r the centre of our world, it makes me sick to no that it was treated tht way lucky he found your friend
 
WOAH! just read all of that in one go! phew:eek: that was defiantly some interesting reading for a sunday after noon! welcome RileyBoy beautiful horses obviously well cared for!
 
Rileyboy said:
Sorry to here that pandora I feel the need to apoligse for them. Like I said I bet they are the ones who dunt mix with non travellers n sadly they dunt realise nt everyone hates us. Its them who taar us all. Most travellers r good with ther horses as they r the centre of our world, it makes me sick to no that it was treated tht way lucky he found your friend
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You shouldn't be apologising. It's like any group of people. There are always a minority that give the others a bad name. You just need to open a few threads on here to see the same about horse/yard owners! Unfortunately the travellers have an aggressive side attached and so it's a harder barrier to break because there is a concern that you won't be walking away in the same condition you went over in.

I was trying to show (hopefully without coming across that I was condoning it) why people can have a bad impression.

However in the last few years alone there has been so much change with travellers tolerating us more and vice versa. It'll take a while but there is no reason that the two cultures can't live together, as is happening more and more often.

The lot locally who drive their horses past us couldn't have the horses in any better condition. Stunning horses, always shout a hello or stop for a chat.

When people say that you're cruel for leaving rugs off.. try educating them, that's what I do. If they're calm horses I'd let them have a stroke of an ear or armpit to feel they're warm and show them how thick their coat is. Or simply explain that if rugged up they would be overheating and become very ill.
It's quite often a concern for people who don't know about horses and just go by what they see daily with know real knowledge.

However the guys in your first post? They simply sound like they're out for blood... smile and wish them a nice day ;)
 
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Hope they show up, thanks for all the comments so far nice to know not everyone hates us !
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Beautiful :D
 
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