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Uniique

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4 weeks ago Monday my TB wrenched his shoe off in his field. He pulled it off with such force that it bent. He's never pulled a shoe before and no idea how he got this one off, ground wasn't very muddy and field flat! Anyhoo....he pulled the shoe off and 48hrs later the farrier arrived to put it back on. He was foot sore which I expected without his shoe but the farrier found a corn. It's a dry horn on the back sole of the foot, not under the shoe or on the frog etc. So that was 4 weeks ago on Monday. He is not lame just foot sore and tentitve. He is relucatant to stride out on concrete or hard ground. On inspection off the foot the corn and pink brusing is no longer visable. Wehere the corn was there is a small white lump, as hard as the foot itself. No heat etc. In my eyes foot looks fine apart from small raised white lump. I know brusing can take many weeks to heal. He is no better or worse from when it first occured. Never had a corn before. Any ideas? x x x

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Just so people know. I do not question the ability of my farrier, This is not down to poor foot quality, diet or farrier. This is a one off incident related to pulling the shoe off. Also there is no heat in the foot. Thanks x x x
 
Unique what is that picture supposed to be showing? Allowing for photos often appearing to be deceptive it seems to be a Cytek shoe set far too close to the frog (over it, in fact), narrower and shorter than the actual heel of the foot, on a horse with a fairly severely underrun heel. What white lump are we supposed to be seeing, can you point it out?
 
At lot of people have commented that his heel appears narrow and the frog restricted but that aside his actual shoeing has never been a problem and he is shod be a very expreinced farrier. The corn was on the bottom left hand side on sole between frog and shoe where small white mark lays. I have never had a corn before so don't know if the mark could still be causing him pain. The farrier has never seen a problem with his feet and he has never been foot sore or lame before (apart from suffering ligament damage last yr which is a seperate issue). I have had him shod by the same farrier, trusting his judgement for three years. He's ex-army farrier.
 
All I can see is the top of a bar which is nowhere near the seat of corn. In those shoes, the seat of corn is underneath the shoe. The bar could easily have caused a bruise if he trod on a hard rut of frozen mud with no shoe on, and a bruise can take a couple of weeks to resolve. I don't think you have a problem. But I don't think he had a corn either, which are usually a little infected/bruised pit in the very end of the heel between the hoof wall and the collateral groove.

By the way it is perfectly normal to bend a steel shoe when the horse treads it off, never mind an aluminium one which is much softer. He did not have to pull it off with much force to bend it.
 
Thank you for your corn. Several weeks ago where the "seat" i believe your reffering to is there was a large red area of bruising/ corn which has now completely gone. I know burises take time to work through I was just growing worried thats it been four weeks with no improvement. Thanks for your comments x x
 
Mmmm, four weeks is a long time, I agree. Maybe time that you called a vet, perhaps. I might be getting a little concerned that he tweaked a tendon in pulling off the shoe. If it's one inside the foot there would be no heat or swelling to warn you.
 
Thats what I'm afraid off. He was off for 9 months last year after damaging the collateral ligament with no swelling/ heat etc etc. I will be calling vet on Monday to arrnage to take him up there. ONly bit that doesn't add up is that it is presenting like a corn i.e. worse on hard ground and he is tentative and foot sore as apposed to actually lame and reluctant to stride out. No heat or raised pulse tho. Something def wrong is my gut as there has been absolutely no improvement for 4 weeks. Thanks for your comments. Just wondered if anyone had expereince similar x x x
 
OK, so that's new information. If he has already had collateral ligament damage then my first guess would be that he has done it again, in doing whatever caused him to take off the shoe. Worse on hard ground fits with any navicular syndrom type injury (and collateral ligament damage is in that spectrum, only MRI now lets us realise that its a ligament problem not a bone problem).

I'm guessing that you are not now insured for more MRI of the same foot and if you are not also rich, then my suggestion would be that if he nerve blocks to the back half of the foot that you look to a barefoot rehab this time instead of spending a fortune on MRI, drugs and/or remedial shoes.
 
Thank you for your comments they really are greatly appreciated although if that is the case I will be truely devastated. I agree that nerve block will narrow it down and will be a nessecary. However last time he was nerve blocked he became totally unshoeable . He was terrified to the extend that i had to box him down to the vets for months to be heavily sedated and gradually weaned of in order to be able to shoe him without sedation. I am so scared he's done it again. But will be contacting the vets monday and taking him down. And he is now uninsured and if pulling a shoe is enough for re-injury I worry about his long term soundness prospects :( thanks for all you comments x x x
 
Dont be too downhearted Uniique, if you could bring yourself to consider cptrayes advice about going barefoot, you are giving your horse a chance to continue his useful job of being your horse, in whatever capacity you want for him. Please don't write him off without looking into the possibility, there are many hundreds of horses with injuries to feet/legs that have succeeded in rehabbing and go onto competing again.
My TB was lame with navicular syndrome and would go lame after a day if he lost a shoe but today six years after shoes off, he is a fit and relatively healthy retired 24 y.o. who enjoys a comfortable life as field ornament. I did get another two years of hacking and competing before other illnesses forced full retirement.
 
I can honestly tell you that after living with his treatement and re-hab for the last couple of years I have done so much research into his condition. He has desmitis of collateral ligament, damage to the seasomid impar ligamment as well as DDFT he also has bilateral navicular. He is 10. Last year his insurance company paid over £6,000 in diagnosis and treatement. They never belive he would come sound and I was advised to have him PTS and returned him to full work after much hard work. SO believe me! I know have been battling this for a long time. I hear your comments. I also am a strong believer in bare foot having taken all ym horses barefoot accept him in front. After much resreach and discussion with vets/ farrier etc due to his needs and the complexity of his condtion it is not an options for him at this stage. I continue to activlty research and have done everything imaginable in his treatment, from shockwave to remedial, magentic therapy and supplements. x x
 
cptrayes said:
Unique what is that picture supposed to be showing? Allowing for photos often appearing to be deceptive it seems to be a Cytek shoe set far too close to the frog (over it, in fact), narrower and shorter than the actual heel of the foot, on a horse with a fairly severely underrun heel. What white lump are we supposed to be seeing, can you point it out?
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^^ Beat me to it :)

Does that shoe really look like a good idea to you?
 
I agree with Oberon, Brucea and CPTrayes.

From photo evidence it would appear that the foot is contracted, frog is pinched and the back of the shoe is too tight. Can't tell from this photo but I suspect that the sole might be on the thin side too.

While the shoe may allievate the pain, it is not fixing the problem that caused the pain.
 
Uniique said:
I can honestly tell you that after living with his treatement and re-hab for the last couple of years I have done so much research into his condition. He has desmitis of collateral ligament, damage to the seasomid impar ligamment as well as DDFT he also has bilateral navicular. He is 10. Last year his insurance company paid over £6,000 in diagnosis and treatement. They never belive he would come sound and I was advised to have him PTS and returned him to full work after much hard work. SO believe me! I know have been battling this for a long time. I hear your comments. I also am a strong believer in bare foot having taken all ym horses barefoot accept him in front. After much resreach and discussion with vets/ farrier etc due to his needs and the complexity of his condtion it is not an options for him at this stage. I continue to activlty research and have done everything imaginable in his treatment, from shockwave to remedial, magentic therapy and supplements. x x
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Unique your horse does not have any conditions which have not been successfully treated by a variety of people around the country with a barefoot rehab. If your horse is lame with a soft tissue injury in the foot again, what have you got to lose, even if your vet and farrier disagree? The vet and farrier of most barefoot rehabs are, at best, sceptical and not a few are outright anti.
 
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