New Forest National Park Proposals - scary!

[Lonesome_Dove]

I have just been reading (with horror!!) some of the proposals that the NFNP are hoping to lay down on recreational horse keepers in the New Forest, one of them is having to apply for change of use to rug your horses in the winter! Mine (30 years old!) would die!

For those that live in the New Forest, and want to read about it and object to their ideas PM me as I read it on another forum and don't know if I can mention them on here!

 

[xnaughtybutnicex]

you have to ask permission to change your own horses rugs? that is just ridiculous, surely you know your horses better than anyone else and know when he needs/does not need a rug.

 

[JM07]

this....

http://www.newforestnpa.gov.uk/nfnpa_261_08_annex_1_-_national_park_plan__draft_.pdf

and this.....

http://www.newforestnpa.gov.uk/nfnpa_262_08_annex_1_-_draft_rms.pdf


its also on

www.nfed.co.uk

 

[hellybelly6]

In a nutshell, what are they proposing?

I used to live near the NF and have a soft spot for it.

Is it now a National Park?

 

[Lonesome_Dove]

thanks, wasn't sure if I could post the name of the forum!

 

[hollyandivy123]

if you read the short version there is not one mention of errosion by cyclist but it is mentioned a lot within the horse section, i do not know who assesed these criteria but i know off road cycle routes through the mendips which defianetly have errosion, you new forest people might wont to look into this as the report seems to be a bit biased

 

[Faithkat]

what page is it on (can't face trawling through 144!)
Just how do they reckon it could be "policed" then?????

Hellybelly: it's been a National Park since March 2005

 

[PennyJ]

This is what they are proposing. And as it stands they will be allowed to apply it retrospectively, so none of us are safe.

Recreational Horsekeeping
The following policies set out more detail on the control of recreational horsekeeping
and associated development. They develop the Plan’s strategic policies, in particular
resisting recreational horsekeeping where it involves the loss of agricultural land and
back-up grazing land.
The policies should be read in conjunction with all strategic policies, in particular
CP3.4.
Policy DC12: Recreational horse keeping
Recreational horse keeping will only be permitted where it can be demonstrated that there
will be:
i. no adverse impact on the landscape or any nature conservation interests;
ii. no increased riding pressures on the open Forest; and
iii. no loss of run back grazing land.
Horse riding is a popular recreational activity in the New Forest but there can be
associated harmful impacts which include:
Erosion of the Forest: recreational horse riding is known to cause wear and tear on
Forest tracks and associated damage to vegetation and nature conservation interests;
Landscape impact: of pony paddocks, fencing, buildings, maneges, jumps and
floodlighting, which both individually and cumulatively can be intrusive and harmful to
the landscape character of the New Forest; and
Loss of run back grazing land: the proliferation of recreational horse keeping can
reduce and displace the supply of grazing land available to New Forest Commoners.
In order to demonstrate compliance with this policy, the following information will need
to accompany each application:
i. Proposed stocking density
ii. Grassland Management Scheme (to prevent overgrazing)
iii. Fencing details and plans
iv. Landscaping details and plans
v. Proposals for any buildings (now or in the future)
vi. Waste storage details
vii. Biodiversity survey and report
viii. Availability of off road riding in the area (other than on the open Forest)
The distinction between grazing and keeping horses is not always clear and it
continues to generate confusion as to when planning permission might be required.
82
Of itself, grazing of agricultural land by horses for the purposes of an agricultural
trade or business does not normally require planning permission - it is not considered
to constitute a material change of use. In this context, grazing means that a horse can
sustain itself by feeding off the land and does not require supplemental feeding
(except perhaps in extreme weather conditions). A horse will normally need at least
one hectare of grazing land to sustain itself in grass feed.
Conversely, the keeping of horses is considered to be a recreational use of land
rather than an agricultural use and does require planning permission (as it constitutes
a material change of use of the land). As a guideline, the keeping of horses occurs
when there is a stocking density of less than one hectare per horse. Other key
indicators include the following:
! The subdivision of a former single field into multiple pony paddocks ;
! The existence of maneges, stables and field shelters (‘portable’ or otherwise);
! Other on site equine equipment, such as horse jumps and schooling rings;
! Corrals for tacking up horses (normally by the field gate);
! Regular supplementary feeding; and
! Horses being regularly ‘rugged’ throughout the winter
Agricultural land can be used temporarily for a number of different uses, including
horse keeping, horse riding and horse training, for up to 28 days in any one calendar
year without the need for planning permission.
Policy DC13: Field shelters
Field shelters will only be permitted where:
i. it can be shown that the land has a lawful horse keeping or agricultural (horse
grazing) use;
ii. they are simple in appearance and modest in scale with the long side of the
building left open (concrete floors and hard standings will not be permitted)
Policy DC14: Stables and maneges
Stables and maneges will not be permitted in the open countryside. They will only be
permitted in residential curtilages or immediately adjoining a residential curtilage where
both the land and the property are in the control of the applicant. Replacement of existing
stables and maneges on lawful horse keeping sites will be permitted where it can be
shown that the proposed development offers a positive environmental improvement that
would help to protect and enhance the landscape.
The Authority will seek to limit the proliferation of any further equine buildings and
related developments within the National Park in order to conserve and enhance the
New Forest landscape.
In the case of proposals for new field shelters and replacement stables and maneges,
applications will need to be accompanied by the information referred to above.
83
In cases where it is considered appropriate to grant planning permission for
recreational horse keeping and/or associated equine developments, such consents
will be subject to planning conditions to enable the Authority to retain effective control
over the future use of the site. These conditions are likely to include:
! Restrictions on stocking densities
! Removal of permitted development rights (fencing and hardstandings)
! Prohibition of any floodlighting or use of ‘portable’ buildings

 

[vieshot]

Anone in Nf area Vicky Bignell is planningn on chairing a meeting regarding this on friday at 8pm venue to be decided but likely to be beaulieu or lyndhurst, please attend and support if possible.

 

[burtie]

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Anone in Nf area Vicky Bignell is planningn on chairing a meeting regarding this on friday at 8pm venue to be decided but likely to be beaulieu or lyndhurst, please attend and support if possible.


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Thanks Vieshot, is this being organsied by the NFEA, I assume they know?

 

[vieshot]

dont know, this is just all the NFED lot gathering together to figure a way of tackling this. But i know someone has contacted the paper and emails and letters sent. I will post some of the adresses to contact......

 

[PennyJ]

I'll just wind up Vieshot and advise

The meeting will be this Friday at East Boldre Village Hall, Main Road, East Boldre.

 

[vieshot]

Colin and the Official Verderer have a meeting with Steve Trotter on 5 September, the CDA, NFPBCS and NFPPG all next meet in the first or second week of September. Colin suggested the following line of attack:

1. Read the document – online, following links already posted. Get hold of a hard copy, phone numbers already listed elsewhere – complain about lack of publicity and hard copies until so late in the ‘consultation period’.
2. Get motivated, get mobilised, and kick up a stink.
3. Flood Steve Trotter with letters and emails, ideally before 5 September.
4. Depending on who you are and the points of view you express, copy your letter/email as appropriate to:
CDA – commoners – Munchkin is secretary.
NFPBCS – NF pony owners, breeders – info@newforestpony.com or write: The Secretary, NFPBCS, The Corner House, Ringwood Road, Bransgore, Hants BH23 8AA
Colin Draper – if you are in Stewardship Scheme. Colin will also pass on these comments to the Verderers.
This will then enable these organisations to gather together the various arguments for their September meetings.
5. If you live away from the area but have a NF pony, particularly if it came from Beaulieu Road, then you could offer support, and copy to NFPBCS and/or NFPPG – Claire cls is on NFPPG.
6. If you are a horse owner (as opposed to NF pony owner/breeder) then as suggested elsewhere, NFEA would be a good place to send copies to.

 

[vieshot]

Can I also suggest that in addition to what Lisa has written above, you write to members of the NPA as well, so that they are aware of the strength of feeling about this. Bombarding them with letters will certainly make them sit up and take notice! Write to the County and District Councillor on the lists below who are closest to you, plus any others you may wish to. Don't feel bad about it, they all pick up a small allowance (details on NPA website) which is funded by the taxpayer.

Appointed by Hampshire County Council:

Lee Dunsdon
Winard
51 Rollestone Road
Holbury, Hampshire
SO45 2HB
Tel: (023) 8089 4865
E-mail: lee.dunsdon@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Kathy Heron
Ibsley Grange,
Mockbeggar Lane
Ibsley, Ringwood, Hampshire
BH24 3PR
Tel: (01425) 474112
E-mail: katherine.heron@newforestnpa.gov.uk
Fax: (01425) 461937


Mel Kendal
Polruan
Castle Close, Milford on Sea
Hampshire
SO41 0QB
Tel: (01590) 642575
E-mail: mel.kendal@newforestnpa.gov.uk
Fax: (01590) 641073


Alan Rice, TD
28C Whitefield Road
New Milton
Hampshire
BH25 6DF
Tel: (01425) 611243
E-mail: alan.rice@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Alan Weeks
80 Rushington Lane
Totton
Southampton
Hampshire
SO40 9AJ
Tel: (023) 8087 0908
E-mail: alan.weeks@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Appointed by New Forest District Council

Barry Rickman
31 Heron Close
Sway
Lymington
Hampshire
SO41 6ET
Tel: (01590) 682650
E-mail: barry.rickman@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Stan Wade
Pathways
5 Jessop Close
Hythe
Southampton
Hampshire
SO45 6AF
Tel: (023) 8084 2484
E-mail: stan.wade@newforestnpa.gov.uk
Mobile: (07713) 152994


Pat Wyeth
18 Shaggs Meadow
Lyndhurst
Hampshire
SO43 7BN
Tel: (023) 8028 2162
E-mail: pat.wyeth@newforestnpa.gov.uk
Fax: (023) 8028 2162


Maureen Holding
‘Forest Haven’
7 The Coppice
Brockenhurst
Hampshire
SO42 7QZ
Tel: (01590) 622780
E-mail: maureen.holding@nfdc.gov.uk


Appointed by Salisbury District Council

Leo Randall
The Stables
Cowesfield Green
Whiteparish
Salisbury
SP5 2QS
Tel: (01794) 884929
E-mail: leo.randall@newforestnpa.gov.uk



Appointed by Test Valley Borough Council

Tony Gentle
9-13 School Road
West Wellow
Near Romsey
Hampshire
SO51 6AR
Tel: (01794) 322278
E-mail: tony.gentle@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Appointed by Wiltshire County Council

Julian Johnson
Newcourt Lodge
Nunton
Salisbury
Wiltshire
SP5 4HZ
Tel: (01722) 335877
E-mail: julian.johnson@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Secretary of State Appointees

Clive Chatters
Ivy Cottage
Ashurst Bridge Road
Totton
Hampshire
SO40 7EA
Tel: (01489) 774422
E-mail: clive.chatters@newforestnpa.gov.uk

Peter Frost
Hazeldene
235 Woodlands Road
Woodlands
Hampshire
SO40 7GJ
Tel: (023) 8029 2960
E-mail: peter.frost@newforestnpa.gov.uk
Fax023) 8087 0813

Roger Heape
15 Peninsula Square
Castle Keep
Winchester
Hampshire
SO23 8GJ
Tel: (07740) 151528
E-mail: roger.heape@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Ted Johnson, OBE
27 Southlands
Lymington
Hampshire
SO41 8EE
Tel: (01590) 673056
E-mail: ted.johnson@newforestnpa.gov.uk

Vicky Myers
c/o Member Services
New Forest National Park Authority
South Efford House
Milford Road
Lymington
Hampshire
SO41 0JD

Tel: 01590 646646
E-mail: victoria.myers@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Parish Councillors

Diana Halford
Field View
Southfield Lane
Burley
Ringwood
Hampshire
BH24 4AX
E-mail: diana.halford@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Clive Maton
c/o Member Services
New Forest National Park Authority
South Efford House
Milford Road
Lymington
Hampshire
SO41 0JD
E-mail: clive.maton@newforestnpa.gov.uk


Bob Morris
Treetops
Pound Hill
Landford
Near Salisbury
Wiltshire
SP5 2AA
Tel: (01794) 390532
E-mail: bob.morris@newforestnpa.gov.uk


John Sanger
Red Cottage
Woodgreen
Near Fordingbridge
Hampshire
SP6 2BO
Tel: (01725) 512033
E-mail: john.sanger@newforestnpa.gov.uk

 

[gaia1]

Well my wife and I were also concerned when these scare stories came out,SCARE being the operative word! Love to know who released the details to Anthony Pasmore and the Lymington Times before the consultation draft was made public!? Well thats the New Forest for you!
Well, maybe we are all aware this is only a consultation draft, we are asked to give our opinions, nothing is law, nothing is agreed etc. etc. Further more these comments laid down in this document are about FUTURE DEVOLOPMENT, not about my ponies kept in a field, strip grazed, to avoid laminitus! Yes with electric fencing, as with so many others!
No you can all keep rugging your horses, give them supplementary feeds, have the odd water bucket out, THIS DOCUMENT IS ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT!
The points in this document raise the concerns that rugging of horses, fields split into paddocks, supplementary feeding etc. etc. are only key indicators to agricultural land being used for equine recreational activities! NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THIS WILL AFFECT MY FAMILY AND FAMILY OF PONIES! FUTURE DEVOLOPMENT,YES!
Afterall, so much land originally for commoning backup has been lost, in the last BSE outbreak, animals have had to be corralled on the open forest,not good! While so much land has been split up and sold as paddocks, small plots, backup agrcultural land, not equestrian, recreational land! But that is what it has become. Well, read the document, the whole thing The National Park has a duty to preserve what is left!
Please do not listen to hearsay, great story for the media, but lets get our act together, the facts are clear in this document, and unless we read this correctly and respond sensibly then the whole New Forest Horsing Community will look a bunch of idiots!
Well, for the last 35 years I have read and commented on these documents, find them easy to understand, but understand that those who are really concerned find it hard to understand such documents, please try, but please phone the National Park to ask your question, but please don't make the Horsing community look like idiots!
Finally, if you done your research well, there is at least one Member, who has a wife with at least one horse so I believe, so unless we are looking at the first National Park divorce, then all these fears are really unfounded!
Gaia of Cadnam