New horse nappy & changed behaviour

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I’ve had my 6 year old gelding for 8 weeks now and the first 3/4 weeks were amazing. Now he’s turned into an absolute nightmare that I dread doing anything with! I think he might be herd bound but here’s some background info… any help hugely appreciated!

Past owner said he could be a bit bolshy on the ground but usual young horse type thing. She only hacked him out by himself and he didn’t do much else before I had him. Both past owners said he was a dream to catch. Hadn’t been out much in 18 months with last owner but owner before that had taken to XC, arena hire etc.

First few weeks with me I had him in a small paddock with a section A for company - he was perfect! Always came to me for fuss in the field, good to handle, hacked him alone, cantered solo, past cows, tractors, with our dogs. We went to a few lessons in the box and he was brill.

After a few weeks I put him in with the rest of my herd (the section A gelding, another gelding and one mare) in our big field and since then I swear his behaviour has totally changed.

He won’t come to me in the field anymore, I have to go to him and drag him down to the gate. The mare in the field is obsessed with him and won’t let him move metres away without kicking up a huge fuss. She even does this horrible squirt from her bits and squeaks! I can barely get him out of the gate without her coming too! The herd neigh and run around the whole time I’m tacking up. The rest of the herd are all mostly retired and only come out once in a while for a hack.

My gelding now seems totally on edge anytime I handle him. He was calm and relaxed previously, now his eyes are wild, he jumps at the tiniest thing! He was so spooky on our hack tonight it was unpleasant to be on him, even though my husband and dogs walked with us. He tried to take off with me twice and I felt awful tugging on his mouth the whole time.

Hacking alone has become a total nightmare - every step is painful and I have to drive him on the whole time. He’s even started spinning around and I swear he was trying to turn and bite my feet when I kicked. The whip makes no difference. I have to growl and then praise, growl and then praise for about 45 mins before he starts going properly.

I tried walking him in hand a couple of times thinking this would build his confidence - I won’t be doing that again as he nearly bombed off with me and pulled all the skin off my hands. I was clinging on just trying to get him to walk! It was dangerous as he nearly trampled my mum and a few dog walkers and is so out of character for him.

He’s developed issues loading now too - I have finally practiced enough so he’ll go on the box but as soon as we close the doors he starts panicking and bashing around.

I have tried to be really firm with him and used lots of praise, generally treating him like a youngster, but not I can’t tell if he’s taking the mick or genuinely scared!

I’ve been offered a livery space on a yard nearby that has a school but limited hacking – they also turn out as one big herd but I wondered whether it’s the mare that’s caused this stressy behaviour and if I took him away he might calm down again? But I also don’t want to take him away from the herd now if that would only make him worry more in a new place?

He had had 4 homes in 6 years and was only travelled in his last home to come to me so I feel he may have some separation anxiety or am I just putting that on him?!

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Have you considered a gut supplement? He may be affected by change in diet & routine.
Also, the mare doesn't sound helpful.
Hmm yes he did blow up a bit when put in the big field at first and had a rumble in his stomach. I think he is a little bloated as he looks back a little when I do up the girth at first which I didn’t notice before. could this cause such a change in his behaviour do you think?
 

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Hacking alone has become a total nightmare - every step is painful and I have to drive him on the whole time. He’s even started spinning around and I swear he was trying to turn and bite my feet when I kicked. The whip makes no difference. I have to growl and then praise, growl and then praise for about 45 mins before he starts going properly.

This is an extremely common symptom of stomach ulcers.
 

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Really! Not op just the advice! Just get some professional experienced help that you trust . All new horses try it on. Its part of the herd mentality. My first horse tried to kick me while i was skipping him out. Big mistake. Shovel in hand big horse bum as target . More shock and awe than any pain. He never forgot and never ever in a long and happy life ,ever tried that shit again. But its not a game for the beginner. Get help . Your horse is unsettled by too many moves . It does matter to them . Firmness and understanding in equal measure.
 
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It sounds like your mare might’ve come into season and that doesn’t usually help. If one of mine goes into season the other goes a bit loopy too.

I think getting some help is a good suggestion but until then could you lessen your work with him? Even if it’s just 10 minutes grooming, then back in the field. 5 minute hack around the property, some stretches and back to the field. If he starts calming down you can then ask a bit more of him but only when he’s relaxed and happy.
 

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Can you take a step back and put him back in the small paddock with the section A for a bit longer?

Sounds like its the in season mare causing all the issues here. If everyone (the herd) calms down a bit likely your lad likely will too. Try and make a note of her season and put him back in between cycles (although some will come in season at the drop of a hat unfortunately).

It wouldn't hurt to put him on something to help with his tummy as he is experiencing a lot of changes currently and that leads naturally to stress (imagine moving house and starting a new job all in the same week (and all the thinks that also entails like meeting new people).

Give him a few days to calm down again and try to bring him in for a groom and some carrots. Keep it short and sweet and see how you go.

As a side note my special one is particularly jumpy and nervous at the moment - I'm hoping it the temperature drop and the windy weather we've had. Hopefully he will chill out a bit once we get further into the cooler weather.
 

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I’ve had my 6 year old gelding for 8 weeks now and the first 3/4 weeks were amazing. Now he’s turned into an absolute nightmare that I dread doing anything with! I think he might be herd bound but here’s some background info… any help hugely appreciated!

Past owner said he could be a bit bolshy on the ground but usual young horse type thing. She only hacked him out by himself and he didn’t do much else before I had him. Both past owners said he was a dream to catch. Hadn’t been out much in 18 months with last owner but owner before that had taken to XC, arena hire etc.

First few weeks with me I had him in a small paddock with a section A for company - he was perfect! Always came to me for fuss in the field, good to handle, hacked him alone, cantered solo, past cows, tractors, with our dogs. We went to a few lessons in the box and he was brill.

After a few weeks I put him in with the rest of my herd (the section A gelding, another gelding and one mare) in our big field and since then I swear his behaviour has totally changed.

He won’t come to me in the field anymore, I have to go to him and drag him down to the gate. The mare in the field is obsessed with him and won’t let him move metres away without kicking up a huge fuss. She even does this horrible squirt from her bits and squeaks! I can barely get him out of the gate without her coming too! The herd neigh and run around the whole time I’m tacking up. The rest of the herd are all mostly retired and only come out once in a while for a hack.

My gelding now seems totally on edge anytime I handle him. He was calm and relaxed previously, now his eyes are wild, he jumps at the tiniest thing! He was so spooky on our hack tonight it was unpleasant to be on him, even though my husband and dogs walked with us. He tried to take off with me twice and I felt awful tugging on his mouth the whole time.

Hacking alone has become a total nightmare - every step is painful and I have to drive him on the whole time. He’s even started spinning around and I swear he was trying to turn and bite my feet when I kicked. The whip makes no difference. I have to growl and then praise, growl and then praise for about 45 mins before he starts going properly.

I tried walking him in hand a couple of times thinking this would build his confidence - I won’t be doing that again as he nearly bombed off with me and pulled all the skin off my hands. I was clinging on just trying to get him to walk! It was dangerous as he nearly trampled my mum and a few dog walkers and is so out of character for him.

He’s developed issues loading now too - I have finally practiced enough so he’ll go on the box but as soon as we close the doors he starts panicking and bashing around.

I have tried to be really firm with him and used lots of praise, generally treating him like a youngster, but not I can’t tell if he’s taking the mick or genuinely scared!

I’ve been offered a livery space on a yard nearby that has a school but limited hacking – they also turn out as one big herd but I wondered whether it’s the mare that’s caused this stressy behaviour and if I took him away he might calm down again? But I also don’t want to take him away from the herd now if that would only make him worry more in a new place?

He had had 4 homes in 6 years and was only travelled in his last home to come to me so I feel he may have some separation anxiety or am I just putting that on him?!

HELP!
Sounds like separation anxiety to me.
 

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Put him back in with the section A and go from there.
Id be very tempted to do this as well, seperate from the mare. Sounds like typical separation issues to me.

The hacking out and unwillingness to go forward. As in ‘you have taken me away so eff you, im not gonna work’
Of course you can never rule out tummy issues.
Its still very early days for a settling in process, some horses take longer than others.
Id try taking him away from the mare and go from there.
 

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When I was a teenager I kept my pony in a field with some friend's ponies; for the majority of the time it was all geldings in the field but for a short time one friend had a mare. My pony became absolutely obsessed with her and didn't want to go anywhere without her. I recall being carted across a large county park accompanied by lots of neighing so he could get to her as fast as possible. I was glad when she was sold, he was with geldings the rest of the time I had him and leaving them was never an issue. I would definitely separate from the mare if you can; I appreciate other issues such as ulcers may also be affecting his behaviours but certainly with my pony it was purely the presence of the mare that caused the behavioural changes.
 

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My sister and I have tried twice with a mare in our field of geldings. Both times we had to remove the mare. It wasnt the same gelding that was a problem. My sisters big horse was a particular nightmare. Couldnt school him at all as he would whip around to face the field every time you tried to turn him away from her, would rush back if you managed to get him to crab walk away from her, constant calling, the works. No change other than the mare. Was back to his normal sweet self inside a few days when we swapped her out for another gelding!

The other horse that went a bit bonkers lasted a bit longer with the mare in the field and wasnt horrific to ride, but walked so much weight off him and her trying to always herd her away from the others we took the mare away then too!

Ive heard agnus cactus can be good for geldings who get a bit ott with mares (if they arent a true rig). Never bothered as could remove the mares. I hope you find a way to allow them to settle.
 

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I’d be putting him back in a seperate paddock with the sec a or removing the mare. Over attachment is never going to help your situation.

This for sure, but I am wondering does he show any riggish behaviour at all? Is this the first time you have had him with a mare, did the previous owner keep him with mares or seperate? I am just being over speculative here, but the fact old owners said he can be bolshy on the ground at times does make me were those times when he was around mares, or being removed from mares etc.? Hopefully not but worth thinking about if all else fails.

I would also treat for ulcers just to rule out any gut discomfort, but I guess whatever the underlying reason for behaviour he is showing stressed behaviour.
 

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Thanks all for your advice. Some more context: he was turned out with a mare in his last home and I know the owner who was very honest but never mentioned napping or over attachment. I don’t think rig is possible - to be honest he doesn’t seem that bothered about the mare as he pushes her away if she’s really annoying, it’s more like her stressing and running about just puts him on edge.

I know he did not have tons of grass in the old home so was on hay and feed while out all year. I viewed/rode him 4 times before buying and never noticed any odd behaviour that would suggest ulcers but do think he might not be used to being out on such good grass, though we are strip grazing it.

I’m going to put him back in the small field with the section A for a while to see if that helps and will also get the vet out to see what she thinks re gut discomfort.

Thanks all.
 

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Sounds like a good plan.

I'd probably give him a few days to settle away from the mare and then do some ground work to get those boundaries back in place and take things from there.

Maybe once we are further into the winter you can try again when the mares hormones will be less intense and then by spring he'll be boring and part of the furniture.

Everyone scoffs at my boys only rule - but I just can't be bothered with the hormones! (I've got enough of my own!!)
 

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Put him back in with the section A and go from there.
For sure!
Lots of geldings imo get like this round mares. I had one that couldn't be within smell or sight of one and another that literally full on attacked everything if he was near mares. Take both out of the situation and both returned to normal. Hence my uncertainty at having my neighbours mare here with my geldings.
 

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Some geldings cannot go out with mares. And she sounds as much at fault as him. I’d seperate again, give him time to get his head straight and review. It might mean they cannot go out together and you have to develop a new strategy.
And no harm in treating for ulcers.
 
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