New horse not interested in people? Ideas what to do?

It is not safe to tie up a horse in the situation you describe unless it's in a stable that's black and white you can't do it .
I would not tie up an unsettled new horse on the yard on my quiet private yard it's not safe or fair on others .
You need access to a stable.
 
OP. put yourself in your horse's place. After 4 years he has suddenly been uprooted to a new place where nothing is familiar or friendly, humans sound totally different, they don't even speak his language or ask him to do things in the way he is used to. Imagine if you woke up in a hospital in a foreign country, you couldn't understand the local accent, the water wasn't fit for drinking and there wasn't even a sit-down toilet. Are you getting the picture? My mare was very aloof when I got her and it was 10 YEARS before she was openly affectionate with me. She would play tricks on me and quickly learned how to communicate with me, but go to give her a cuddle and she would turn away. I now believe that she had been sold numerous times and had learned not to let herself get close to humans because they just sent her away (and whipped her, going by the marks on her flanks) so she put up a barrier to protect herself. All horses are different, just like we are. Some accept change, others rail against it. They experience fear, loss, disappointment and we have to understand that they are thinking, sentient beings which are not machines, don't automatically know how to do things and are quite capable of protesting at times. Use the next month to really get to know each other at ground level. Be kind and firm and treat him as a horse, not an ickle pony. That can come later when you both understand each other better. Find out what he knows and doesn't know. Does he know Whoah, or Stop? Trot-on or Terrott? Does he understand what Over means? The time and effort you put in now will pay dividends in the future. Or you can just take the short cut and never really understand each other.
 
It is not safe to tie up a horse in the situation you describe unless it's in a stable that's black and white you can't do it .
I would not tie up an unsettled new horse on the yard on my quiet private yard it's not safe or fair on others .
You need access to a stable.

I completely agree.
 
I understand what you are saying but I don't have one! I have a stable for my boy and that's it - there are no empty horse sized stables on the yard at the moment and I can't imagine anyone letting me use theirs as when we put him in one he box walked for Britain so no one is keen! Mine has my lad in it (pony 13.3hh) all the grass liveries have a tie up place by the wash bay. I will say that we never leave him on his own- someone always stands by him.
If we'd have known he would cause problems for the other liveries I would not have chosen him as obviously their presence is important to me I'm just hoping we get to see an improvement in his manner which is why I posted to ask others for tips or any experiences they have had to manage similar horses. Believe me I'm not a numpty who's never been round TBs before! I have owned a couple during my teens but not come across this 'disinterest' in a new horse before - all very alien to me
 
It's great that you are concerned for the safety of the other yard users it really is, but don't give up on him just make people aware :) honestly, the more you can create a routine, the quicker he will settle (even if you don't continue to stick rigidly to it in the long run-we all know this is pretty difficult for the every day owner!) if you can be rigid initially to help him settle it will help. My lad was really bad at having his hind feet picked up/out, he'd threaten to plant one on you and so this was very un-nerving, but I knew he would have had his feet regularly seen to at a race yard and when it comes to being shod....racehorses are no novices at this! so I persevered and every day 3 times a day would pick his feet up, I picked them up unnecessarily until the penny dropped! Every time he was well behaved i'd make a huge fuss of him, he was soon offering them without even thinking about it-it became habit! I pick them up in the field now with him totally untied/no headcollar, you will definitely see improvements, if you're anywhere near nottinghamshire I am willing to help advise :) I did read in someone elses response to your initial post about the separation anxiety that follows ...and I can second that too! Find the things he does really well and recognise him for it , and without this coming across wrongly ...the stable lads and lasses/trainers will have stood for no nonsense, whilst you need to support him and understand where he's coming from/lots of patience, you also must be boss and give clear boundaries, the chap that ran the yard I used to be at turned him out with me first time as he'd been on 10 days quarantine and was most definitely feeling fresh! He squeeled and threw himself in the air for me, he didnt put a foot wrong for him! and no...he didnt raise his voice or a hand to him...no chiffney involved! He just calm but firmly checked him every time his attention wandered :) you read posts like this and it makes it all sound easy, it's not, at times it's really disheartening and frustrating and easy to think...nah i'll start tomorrow! x
 
I understand what you are saying but I don't have one! I have a stable for my boy and that's it - there are no empty horse sized stables on the yard at the moment and I can't imagine anyone letting me use theirs as when we put him in one he box walked for Britain so no one is keen! Mine has my lad in it (pony 13.3hh) all the grass liveries have a tie up place by the wash bay. I will say that we never leave him on his own- someone always stands by him.
If we'd have known he would cause problems for the other liveries I would not have chosen him as obviously their presence is important to me I'm just hoping we get to see an improvement in his manner which is why I posted to ask others for tips or any experiences they have had to manage similar horses. Believe me I'm not a numpty who's never been round TBs before! I have owned a couple during my teens but not come across this 'disinterest' in a new horse before - all very alien to me

Then use your horses stable for this horse , you simply can't manage horses in public places in this way , your YMer should be telling you this.
You say you are not a numpty so dont act like one .
A new horse behaving like a unsettled new horse needs to managed apporiatly tieing it up on a livery yard is not apporiate .
 
I understand what you are saying but I don't have one! I have a stable for my boy and that's it - there are no empty horse sized stables on the yard at the moment and I can't imagine anyone letting me use theirs as when we put him in one he box walked for Britain so no one is keen! Mine has my lad in it (pony 13.3hh) all the grass liveries have a tie up place by the wash bay. I will say that we never leave him on his own- someone always stands by him.
If we'd have known he would cause problems for the other liveries I would not have chosen him as obviously their presence is important to me I'm just hoping we get to see an improvement in his manner which is why I posted to ask others for tips or any experiences they have had to manage similar horses. Believe me I'm not a numpty who's never been round TBs before! I have owned a couple during my teens but not come across this 'disinterest' in a new horse before - all very alien to me

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that it sounds to me as though you have already made up your mind about this horse . . . honestly, I think you should cut your losses now and find another home for him and another horse for your OH. You don't seem to be in a position to work through his (perfectly understandable) issues - and if you can't help him through this, he will remain stressed and unreachable - and no'one wins.

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I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that it sounds to me as though you have already made up your mind about this horse . . . honestly, I think you should cut your losses now and find another home for him and another horse for your OH. You don't seem to be in a position to work through his (perfectly understandable) issues - and if you can't help him through this, he will remain stressed and unreachable - and no'one wins.

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Going to stick my neck out right there with your PS.
 
You don't seem to be understanding what people are telling you. He is not disinterested he is withdrawn. He is not looking for his 'field mates' he is looking for his herd, the horses he used to live with! He is a stressed horse that just needs time and patience and understanding! You seem unwilling or unable to give this to him as you have not said anything in your subsequent posts that indicate that you have taken on board the great advice that had been offered to you! No one is telling you to stable him they are saying DON'T tie him up its dangerous, use a stable and you have one! Put him in YOUR stable what he needs to eat or be handled!
 
I've owned a couple of horses like this and I have taken a totally different route with them. I've just turned them away for however many months it has taken for them to become content and accepting of their new life. I still interacted with them in the field on a daily basis but never asked anything of them. After however long it took to see a change in them, only then did I start to ask little things of them. They are totally different horses now, very happy and chilled with their life.
 
I've owned a couple of horses like this and I have taken a totally different route with them. I've just turned them away for however many months it has taken for them to become content and accepting of their new life. I still interacted with them in the field on a daily basis but never asked anything of them. After however long it took to see a change in them, only then did I start to ask little things of them. They are totally different horses now, very happy and chilled with their life.

That is a very, very good point SF.
 
Going to stick my neck out right there with your PS.

Having read through, mine's there too.

The horse is a currently sharp and spooky TB, who was in his previous home for four years.

He's been with you for ten days and he does'nt know what the heck has happened to him.

Was he stabled in his last home? If he was, his whole life has turned upside down. If he wasn't then at least he has that in common with his 'old' life.

As to routines - you can do it if, when its OH's turn, he gets does him the same time as you would do him (on your way to/from work).

Get the vet to give him the once over.

Either the above, or accept what he is now, or turn hime away (a friend did this with her ex-racer and he got used to her and learnt to relax), or sell him on to where he can have what he needs (routine, etc.), and buy a horse that's suited to what you can give him.
 
I haven't made my mind up about him- he's not mine to make my mind up on. My OH bought him and will ultimately decide and actually he's determined to keep him. He doesn't even know I've asked this I just wanted to know what people have encountered. Like I said this is ALIEN to me so I am reading and taking it in- I haven't said I won't stable him anywhere I've stated that there isn't a spare for him -mine is a pony box 10x12 so very small for a 16.3. Please so quote me as to where I have made any such claims.

I'm trying to build up a picture of the fella to help others understand what we are experiencing.

Spring feather when did you decide they were ready to come back to 'life on the yard' how did you know?
 
Mrsmozart he was out in the field 24/7 as we have tried to do here which is partly why I've tried not to stable him as he then box walks as I think it's a bit claustrophobic for him.
 
I haven't said I won't stable him anywhere I've stated that there isn't a spare for him -mine is a pony box 10x12 so very small for a 16.3. Please so quote me as to where I have made any such claims.

You stated twice that there was no stable - and intimated that this meant he could not use one.

You then stated that your horse had one - so a couple of us have said use it.

For an hour or so he'll be fine in a 10x12 box whilst he eats, gets tacked up etc.
 
A 10x12 box is absolutely fine for a 16.3 to eat in. I think the suggestion was that you use the stable when you're grooming/tacking up etc. and for when you're feeding him so he can have his own safe space. My late tbx was like this for 6 months when he came, after that he was a dope on a rope.
 
No one is saying you should stable him! Thy are saying to USE a stable when you handle him and NOT tie him up! You have a stable! It's only while he eats or gets handled so box walking and it's size is a non issue! Again you are missing the point!
 
I must have missed your previous post alphamare my apologies- I've gone back a page and read through from the bottom of page 4 onwards- I'm on my phone trying to keep up with the new posts. He doesn't stop walking to eat- he gets very stressed in a stable- I will try again tonight. I was hoping tying him to the same tie ring in the wash bay would help that's why we persevered with it over the last week. Ill try feeding him again in the stable this evening to see if he will settle to eat :) (I think I've read all the posts now I've back read so should be easier to follow everyone's replies - fingers crossed)
 
Regarding the shoeing and not having them done I'm afraid it has to be done as his back feet are in such a state there is a crack that needs gluing together and farrier needs him to stand quietly for 30min to prevent crack splitting to the coronet band.

His hoof wont fall apart without a shoe. Plenty of horses have grown out cracks BF/unshod that never grew out while the horse was shod. However he's your horse and you must do what you feel is best for him.

I just wouldn't want to sedate an already stressed horse. Sedation doesn't always work and it can be very dangerous if the horse starts to fight the sedation and kick out or even panic.
 
I haven't made my mind up about him- he's not mine to make my mind up on. My OH bought him and will ultimately decide and actually he's determined to keep him. He doesn't even know I've asked this I just wanted to know what people have encountered. Like I said this is ALIEN to me so I am reading and taking it in- I haven't said I won't stable him anywhere I've stated that there isn't a spare for him -mine is a pony box 10x12 so very small for a 16.3. Please so quote me as to where I have made any such claims.

I'm trying to build up a picture of the fella to help others understand what we are experiencing.

Spring feather when did you decide they were ready to come back to 'life on the yard' how did you know?

OK . . . so perhaps if I share my experience with my sharp, stressy boy that will help you get a little perspective.

Kal was actually fine when we first bought him . . . and for the first four months. Sure we had some settling in to do, but he was very much "in the room" and his personality just shone through - happy, cheeky, affectionate. Unfortunately, I needed to move him - found a small, family-run livery yard and trailered him over. He hated it. He completely shut down. He wouldn't stand tied on the yard without constantly spinning, rearing or breaking free. He hated being in a stable - actually had me pinned in there with him for 20 minutes the morning after we moved him. He was scared of his own shadow, wouldn't let anyone pick up his feet (needed those free to run away) and was constantly staring off into the distance/on high alert. I tried leaving him out 24/7 - he hated that too. He lost rather a lot of weight, became impossible to ride and was a nightmare to handle. After three months (two months too long really), we moved again. When we arrived at the new yard, he walked off the lorry and gave a huge sigh of relief. It took a while (about two or three months) but gradually I got my sweet, affectionate boy back. He re-learned how to stand still/not completely barge through people, he let us pick up his feet, he stopped scanning the horizon/looking through us and he was generally much, much happier.

Yes, he still box walked for a while, but that went too in the end.

It may be that your yard is simply not the right environment for this horse. It may be that with time and patience and 24/7 turnout, he will learn to relax. In that case, you need to spend loooaaaaads of time with him in the field - even if it's just standing with him and talking to him while he grazes.

10 days isn't very long for a stressed out horse to settle . . .

P

P.S. We have been at our current yard for 18 months (not the yard we moved to after the yard Kal hated) and he has never been happier . . . the other day a fellow livery caught Kali and his two fieldmates all lying down in the field, asleep - definitely not hyper-vigilant any more :).
 
I too was worried about the sedation faracat! But farrier is adamant that the crack needs drilling and setting with glue that would last the life of the crack. It's a quarter crack if that makes any difference? The farrier reckoned that the reason his feet were so bad is that he's always been bad to do- I sure hope that's not the case! Arg! I don't know what to do regarding the sedation it really worries me :(
 
I've owned a couple of horses like this and I have taken a totally different route with them. I've just turned them away for however many months it has taken for them to become content and accepting of their new life. I still interacted with them in the field on a daily basis but never asked anything of them. After however long it took to see a change in them, only then did I start to ask little things of them. They are totally different horses now, very happy and chilled with their life.


I think its interesting to think both ways :). I do know with Mum's mare she was very unsettled when we bought her having been purchased and owned by someone else for 10 weeks and essentially left in the field (when she had been use to daily contact with the same 2 people since birth (then 5)). She improved immensely being handled and having some attention while on the same yard as it was just more what she was used to - she is a very people orientated horse.

It took 12 months for Frank the welsh to settle down completely too.
 
mine is a pony box 10x12 so very small for a 16.3.
That's actually classed as a big stable in my country. In my own stable block most of my stables are 12x11 and even the 17 handers are fine in there. Many stables over here are around 10x10 or smaller and that's what most people keep all size of horses in. My foaling boxes are huge though, but I don't use them for anything other than foaling.

Spring feather when did you decide they were ready to come back to 'life on the yard' how did you know?

When they become totally chilled and relaxed. When their demeanor is accepting of you. When they start to look for you when you come in the field. When they enjoy having rubs and scratches. When they look at you as you chatter away to them. When they start to interact with you without you pushing yourself on them. When they take an interest in what you are doing. When they start to befriend other horses in the herd. All very basic common sense stuff, nothing miraculous.
 
Thanks polarskye that's the sort of story I was after, some experiences of others that was interesting. I hope the yard is not causing the problems I guess there would be no way to know without leaving but I think that would upset him more to move again?
 
"When they become totally chilled and relaxed. When their demeanor is accepting of you. When they start to look for you when you come in the field. When they enjoy having rubs and scratches. When they look at you as you chatter away to them. When they start to interact with you without you pushing yourself on them. When they take an interest in what you are doing. When they start to befriend other horses in the herd. All very basic common sense stuff, nothing miraculous." Ok thank you well ill throw that one to the OH and see what he thinks
 
Hi amymay- I don't want leave the yard I've been here for 18 months and love it here - horse walker; 5 furlong gallops and floodlit 30x40 school so everything I would want. There are adults her I would say its 50:50 adults and children liverying here so I have to remember that there are children as young as 8 leading their ponies about.

But what if your horse doesn't like it.

My tb was never totally settled on a more child orientated yard, he is quite a confident outgoing type so showed stress differently but he could never relax with little people running around.

He is very laid back and safe as houses to ride but he made alot of faces when you approached him and could have an explosive moment in hand so I was careful who was allowed to handle him.

I moved for various reasons to a smaller, quieter yard and suddenly had a horse that was so much happier in himself. I have been on other yards and find on a busier yard he is better in an indoor barn than outdoor stable. Anything to get him sheltered from the bustle. 10 x 12 isn't ideal but there are lots of yards round here where those are horse boxes and competition venues where the overnight stabling is this sort of size so it won't hurt for a bit while he is on the yard and you are handling him.

It's really difficult sometimes to balance a horse's preferences with your needs but ultimately he's the one that has to live there.
 
It's really difficult sometimes to balance a horse's preferences with your needs but ultimately he's the one that has to live there.

So true.

With the last horse I bought he was initially stabled on a very lovely, quiet yard. But he actually seemed rather happier when we moved to a busier yard.

For some it's visa versa.
 
But what if your horse doesn't like it.

My tb was never totally settled on a more child orientated yard, he is quite a confident outgoing type so showed stress differently but he could never relax with little people running around.

He is very laid back and safe as houses to ride but he made alot of faces when you approached him and could have an explosive moment in hand so I was careful who was allowed to handle him.

I moved for various reasons to a smaller, quieter yard and suddenly had a horse that was so much happier in himself. I have been on other yards and find on a busier yard he is better in an indoor barn than outdoor stable. Anything to get him sheltered from the bustle. 10 x 12 isn't ideal but there are lots of yards round here where those are horse boxes and competition venues where the overnight stabling is this sort of size so it won't hurt for a bit while he is on the yard and you are handling him.

It's really difficult sometimes to balance a horse's preferences with your needs but ultimately he's the one that has to live there.

This.

I know it's a PITA to have two horses on two different yards, but if you ultimately work out that your yard just doesn't suit him, surely it's worth finding him somewhere he can feel "safe."

I do hope that with time in the field at your current yard that he settles . . . but you do need to bear in mind that moving him may be your only option.

P
 
Criso - I would be gutted to be honest. I love it here. I suppose if that were the case my OH would move him and I would stay here with my lad. I just don't want to leave and my lad is very happy here. It would be hard to know without actually moving him and potentially stressing him out even more?
 
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