new horse turns out to be a rearer-advice please

Polos - tread very carefully with the insurance and don't post too much about it on here. It's do able but you must be very careful to fill the criteria.

Talk to your vet. Also, who did the vetting? Your vet or theirs?

It's a crap situation but youare not actually in a terrible position if you are canny about it.....

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Polos said:
He is fully insured with KBIS but we insured him before we knew he had problems with his suspensory so I don't know if he would be covered now. Would it be a good idea to ring them?
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My horse had passed a 5 stage vetting and his SI dysfunction was in Sue D's opinion chronic and from an old injiury.

We insured in good faith with no knowledge like you of any ailment or unsoundness history. My insurers did not question whether the condition was pre existing and mine was a high value horse. As far as they were concerned he passed a 5 stage vetting end of.

I am sure you are covered otherwise I reckon at least a good 60% of claims could be rejected on pre existing condition criteria. I wouldn't delve too much or discuss to much with your insurers about phone calls and I would heed patterdale's words. Afterall if we all knew what we find out then in hindsight we would never have bought the horse in the first place. You can only protect yourself so far and to have had a vetting and taken out insurance that is exactly what you have done. The vetting mitigates the risk to the insurers and you bought in good faith.
 
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It's £260 to get the bloods checked so I haven't so far as I suspected a calmer or water withholding etc. Interesting you have mentioned metacalm. Think I might have mine checked as at least I can rule out some things.
 
Goldenstar said:
I would get those bloods tested make sure they look for a board a range of things as possible including metacam.
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The bloods are being tested now as we speak. We are awaiting the results and some other various bits of info from his history before we approach the dealer. We want to have some 'evidence' before we speak to them.
 
Good luck Polos. When you speak to him, remember the law is on your side if this horse has previous medical history even if he did not know about it.

My comments about insurance probably don't apply after a 5* vetting, but it still wouldn't be wise to write too much more about it on here if you are going to need to claim.

I feel so sorry for you, and equally as sorry for the poor horse who has been fobbed off onto you.
 
Thought I would give you all a little update.

The vet has been to see him twice (will be coming back next week).Last week he was on box rest with all 4 legs bandaged and going out for a hand graze 2 times a day. This week he did some nerve blocks but couldn't find anything. When he was trotted up on hard ground and he was fine but when he was being lunged he would go slightly unsound for a couple of strides and then go back to normal. The vet is wondering if maybe the harder he works the more it affects him so starting from today he is going on bute for 36hrs and then being ridden daily to see whether his rearing is a pain or behavioral issue. He is also being lunged daily. He is back to being turned out so he can go out all day instead of being stuck in his stable which is nice :)

Today we went on a little outing to the yard down the road for a charity show and bbq. We entered the inhand tack and turn out (the vet said this would be ok as all he was doing was walking round) and we came 2nd. I actually really enjoyed it, so depending on how things go we may keep him for me to do some in-hand with him.
 
I hope things work out. He is a lovely horse on the ground so we know something somewhere is not right, we just have to find it and treat it.

Sorry, I forgot to mention, yes the bloods came back clear. We are still going to talk to the dealer (probably beginning of next week as just awaiting a copy of the vetting report).
 
Good on you for trying for this lad, got my fingers crossed it all turns out good. And he gets to stay with you guys. Sound like he lucky to of found you

Best of luck and keep us posted.
 
charlie76 said:
One final question, why are you lunging him 'behind the vertical in a pessoa '
I would think that would be the last thing a horse with neck issues would need. Long and low maybe but btv tied in with a pessoa. Hmmm
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Exactly what i was thinking. Gadgets and/ or behind the verticle is sure to aggravate any physical problems.
 
rhino said:
Not to the horse it's not. Unless you do believe they are completely disposable.

Horse went from competing successfully at BYEH as a 5 year old, to going over backwards on a teenager. Surely there has got to be an underlying cause?
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Didn't see this before. No I don't think they are disposable. My comment was more aimed at the op's safety than the horse tbh. The why being a separate issue for someone who could cope with the horse.

I am looking at an ex rearer next week, but I know I can sort it if it erm rears it's ugly head again (:rolleyes:) and the history has been disclosed to me which is the difference I think.
 
I believe this horse could be extremely dangerous but as an animal in your care I feel that you should pursue finding out what the problem is before sending the animal to the dogs.
I think we really forget that these animals let us get on their backs and boss them around and it's our duty to care for them and make their job as comfortable and as smooth as possible. Riding is a harmony between horse and rider and not all the time we understand or respect each other.
In my experience sometimes respect was instant with my Grand Prix pony back in the day but like with my first pony I had to earn it with her and until we worked hard at our relationship did it finally pay off and she stopped getting my on the floor at every opportunity.
I understand that this horse probably has a serious physical or psychological problem and is dangerous to ride but think you shouldn't just give up after not trying everything possible.
It could be best to put the horse down as horses that flip over like that with no regard for self preservation usually have serious issues but until a verdict is reached after careful consideration and look into the background of the horse I wouldn't do anything so drastic.
I've worked with and had many difficult horses and sometimes everything isn't always as it seems.

In the mean time I suggest like many others here that you don't continue to ride him until you have had him looked at by some professionals.

Wishing you the best of luck and understand what you are going through. My 5yr old reared up and only just gained balance enough to not flip over jumping last season and I know how scary it can be.
 
Polos said:
I hope things work out. He is a lovely horse on the ground so we know something somewhere is not right, we just have to find it and treat it.
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There are very few horses who aren't absoulutely 100% brilliant as horses. Efficient and for the most part beautiful, herbivorous herd-animals with deeply-rooted instincts for survival as a prey animal.

I never cease to be amazed at how many of them allow us to completely overturn everything (often even including the grazing) they are designed to be and still appear content and obliging. It's so sad that the unsuitable ones are mostly doomed through no fault of their own.

This is a general observation, not aimed at you, and the best of luck to you with discovering the cause of the rearing. Even better luck to your horse once it is, and I hope there's a job/place for him if the outcome isn't an under-saddle life.

The reason pain is such an issue is some really can't cope with flight not being an option to them. Although rearing is about the most objectional and unacceptable thing they do to us as riders, it's a completely natural behaviour. I'm sure most of us know this and it's not really helped by the stoic creatures we mostly seem to have, but a reminder is always worth giving.

I really hope you get an answer and it's a workable one.
 
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