New member, looking for advice

[Mousesmom]

Hello everyone. I'm owner to Mouse my first pony, a lovely 14.3 hh 21 year old bay mare and Poppit , originally my sisters horse but now mine, a little 12-13 hh 10 year old bay Welsh Cob mare. I own one lease, a 17 year old 16.2 hh thoroughbred gelding, which is the problem.
He's not the horse I was looking for. Hew was leased to us by my ex trainer, we still have good connections with her I have just stopped taking lessons due to us not being able to agree and work together, I also now think she's relatively inexperienced. I don't like how big he is, he's got a bucking problem, rearing problem, stubbornness problem and I hate to say this but I also think he is unpredictable. I have been riding for 5 years. He was originally leased to another person, a horse rider of 30 years, who was terrified of him. And they then leased him to me. He also has some arhtitis in his hips so I'm not sure if it's very comfortable for him to be ridden. He's not , like most thoroughbreds, an easy keeper and it's difficult having him and then two ponies like telly tubbies. He's just not the horse I'm looking for. I want to give him back, but I have concerns for his welfare where he was from. He came to us in awful condition and has since improved, but I'm just not sure what they will do to him if I give him back, but I can't sell him because I don't own him.
I want him to get treated well but I don't want to be paying and caring for an animal I don't want.. What do I do?

 

[Red-1]

With it being a lease, the immediate options are to send back or keep. If you don't want to do either, other options could be to offer to purchase, so you have the deciding vote in what happens, and / or sink money into him in the hope fo finding out what is causing the behaviour.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

If he is not the horse for you, send him back.

 

[pistolpete]

Whoever is responsible for this horse needs to investigate his pain thoroughly. Hip arthritis must be very painful. I would t consider riding him unless vet approved.

 

[Birker2020]

I'm not berating you OP but it's the true victim in this that I feel sorry for and that's the horse. Like most horses that are reactive to ride, its usually pain that is the culprit. And like most horses in pain which then get labelled problem horses because their behaviour has escalated to such a point because no one is listening to them, they get passed from pillar to post.

They start off whispering to us, then they talk to us, before yelling and finally screaming. They don't do this vocally but in their behaviour and at each point they hope someone somewhere hears them as they try to tell us so hard that they hurt.

If you can offer to buy him and try and put him right it would probably be best for him in the long run, but be prepared to face an long and expensive road getting him treated and maybe bear in mind that he might not be able to be put right and pts might be the best option for a horse in constant pain.

 

[Mousesmom]

I'm not berating you OP but it's the true victim in this that I feel sorry for and that's the horse. Like most horses that are reactive to ride, its usually pain that is the culprit. And like most horses in pain which then get labelled problem horses because their behaviour has escalated to such a point because no one is listening to them, they get passed from pillar to post.

They start off whispering to us, then they talk to us, before yelling and finally screaming. They don't do this vocally but in their behaviour and at each point they hope someone somewhere hears them as they try to tell us so hard that they hurt.

If you can offer to buy him and try and put him right it would probably be best for him in the long run, but be prepared to face an long and expensive road getting him treated and maybe bear in mind that he might not be able to be put right and pts might be the best option for a horse in constant pain.

That is exactly, exactly right. That's why I haven't just immediately sent him back. I just didn't intend to have a horse that needs expensive vet attention and is likely not able to be ridden. I'll figure something out, somehow to help him because I know he's hurting and sending him back they will do nothing but pass him onto the next lease home. They quite obviously don't care if they think he's being 'naughty' when he attempted to buck me off on his first ride and say he's 'a little bit sore on his hip' when he refuses to canter and were expecting this horse to be my show horse to jump a meter, gosh, yeah right. Since the bucking and rearing problems I haven't ridden him because I recognize it's very likely pain related. There's no such thing as a problem horse, just a mishandled or in pain horse.
He doesn't look in pain when he's not ridden, will gallop around happily, but I just can't tell. I'm in much doubt he's sound to be ridden, not sure if he is sound even when he's running around in the paddock though. If I end up buying and keeping him I will be getting the vet out. I'm in doubt there is the magical horse buyer out there who will take him in and have millions to spend.
I'm asking this question for the horse, not me, to get given ideas that will work for both of us.