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Miss L Toe

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My next door neighbours bought a nice natured pup from a pretty rough farm, taken for a ride really, pup is nice, but quiet.
After four days, vet told them to buy a cage, which they did [at great expense], poor thing messed its cage and was distraught.
I have suggested they keep it in kitchen at night, with paper down near door, and to allow it to sleep in its bed. It makes a great fuss after being put down, scratching at the [glass ]door, it gets a feed at 5.00pm, and nothing afterwards, so how do we get it trained.
I suggested if it makes a fuss to pick it up and throw it [metaphorically] outdoors to do its biz, obviously this was a step too far, the vet told them it was not to go outside [parvo], but really it can go out in the back yard where no dogs have been.
I told them to remove any mats which might encourage pee-ing, to limit the area covered with newspapers and nappyikins.
If it were mine, I would live with one night of squeaking [for attention], but would be up every three hours to put it out for a poo. To my mind if it had its last feed of puppy food and pup biscuits at 5.--pm it should manage for several hours, according to them it need to poop every two hours, not the skits, but did have a tiny bit of blood once!
By the way its favoured, its favoured sleeping area is in the hall under the radiator.
It will sleep in its bed in the kitchen, but goes mad at the glass door.
 
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you dont say how old the puppy is. if its very young it could be missing its mother and the rest of the litter. a ticking clock and a teddy might make it feel no so alone at night
 
It is nine weeks old, apparently was still in a pen with its mum, but bedded in straw, no separation between bedding area and wetting area.
To my mind, the mum would not be in with pup at nine weeks, but to be honest, it looks old enough to have been weaned, my neighbours are elderly, and are almost in pieces, so I can't cross question them, they sat up first few nights in kitchen with pup.
Pup seems pretty content, and will play on demand kind of thing, just having difficulty with its pooping on a night.
The local vet is an "expletive deleted " person, who no doubt sold them this amazing cage [never seen one which is chromed!], when I was a newby to kittens, I came out of her surgery with an armful of expensive items, including shrimp toothpaste and all the trimmings.
 
There are some really good dog experts on here and im sure theyll advise brilliantly. With regards to the crate/cage, these are an invaluable tool, but you cant take a puppy and lock it in thats scary and unfair, they need to be crate trained and eventually they will use this as their den/safe place. Personally I never pup paper down, all it does is teach pup to wee on the paper! Pups need to go in the garden first thing in the morning, after play after feed before bed and plenty times in between, they have tiny bladders. Never scold for accidents, but praise massivley for going to the loo outside. Puppies should be fed little and often, 4 times a day if possible. It will favour the hall because of the heat, try getting a hot water bottle and putting it under the bedding. As for squeeking at night - youve taken a baby away from its mom and pack, put it in a strange scary enviroment and left it - personally I'd cry as well. With my first pup I slept on the sofa for a week while pup was in his bed. Once he had settled, he didnt make a peep. Youre right to ask these Q's but please get some advise from here or elsewhere as to what to do. A lot of behaviours are learnt pre-20 weeks old, so what you instill now will see you well for the future.
 
It is not my puppy, but next door neighbours who are elderly, It is nine weeks old, apparently was still in a pen with its mum, but bedded in straw, no separation between bedding area and wetting area.
To my mind, the mum would not be in with pup at nine weeks, but to be honest, it looks old enough to have been weaned, my neighbours are elderly, and are almost in pieces, so I can't cross question them, they sat up first few nights in kitchen with pup.
Pup seems pretty content, and will play on demand kind of thing, just having difficulty with its pooping on a night.
The local vet is an "expletive deleted " person, who no doubt sold them this amazing cage [never seen one which is chromed!].
When I was a newby to kittens, I came out of her surgery with an armful of expensive items, including shrimp toothpaste and all the trimmings
 
smiffyimp said:
There are some really good dog experts on here and im sure theyll advise brilliantly. With regards to the crate/cage, these are an invaluable tool, but you cant take a puppy and lock it in thats scary and unfair, they need to be crate trained and eventually they will use this as their den/safe place. Personally I never pup paper down, all it does is teach pup to wee on the paper! Pups need to go in the garden first thing in the morning, after play after feed before bed and plenty times in between, they have tiny bladders. Never scold for accidents, but praise massivley for going to the loo outside. Puppies should be fed little and often, 4 times a day if possible. It will favour the hall because of the heat, try getting a hot water bottle and putting it under the bedding. As for squeeking at night - youve taken a baby away from its mom and pack, put it in a strange scary enviroment and left it - personally I'd cry as well. With my first pup I slept on the sofa for a week while pup was in his bed. Once he had settled, he didnt make a peep. Youre right to ask these Q's but please get some advise from here or elsewhere as to what to do. A lot of behaviours are learnt pre-20 weeks old, so what you instill now will see you well for the future.
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There has been very little advice from the forum, to be honest, their vet is conditioned to selling stuff, and that is why they got a cage [they already had one, but apparently it was not good enough [ie not chrome plated!]
It has not been stuck in a room on its own, it has been cuddled and so on for four days now, even the owners know it is "attention seeking"
The problem is that it is unable to sleep overnight without pooping.
 
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They need to crate train the puppy. Not just leave it in there overnight and expect it to "work". puppy needs to spend time in there during the day even when they are with her.

I got H at 8 weeks and for the 1st 4/5 nights he slept in his crate at the bottom of my bed. When he cried I picked him up, put him outside for toilet, then put him straight back in his crate. No fuss. Yes he cried, but I ignored it and by the end of the week he was downstairs, only cried when he wanted the toilet where I did the same routine and within 2 weeks he was sleeping through the night.

I never put down paper and was strongly advised not to as it teaches pup to toilet in the house.

Have the enrolled in puppy training and socialisation? They need to find someone experienced to turn to.
 
There is very little info in your post, the pup needs to be crate trained not just shut up in its crate. If the crate is very big its needs to be packed out to make the pup feel more secure.

When is the pup shut up in its crate of a night?
Does anyone let it out for a wee or poo during the night?

You cant expect a pup of that age with that start to be instantly house-trained.

I would advise you to pm Cayla for her puppy crate training leaflet, there will be a small charge but that goes to her rescue.

We used this from Cayla for our pup and she was house trained within days and slept through the night as well but our pup did have a good start coming from a reputable breeder.

What breed is this pup?
 
Miss L Toe said:
There has been very little advice from the forum, to be honest, their vet is conditioned to selling stuff, and that is why they got a cage [they already had one, but apparently it was not good enough [ie not chrome plated!]
It has not been stuck in a room on its own, it has been cuddled and so on for four days now, even the owners know it is "attention seeking"
The problem is that it is unable to sleep overnight without pooping.
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TBH I tend not to panic too much with poop at 9 weeks, my older dog never pooed inside and my younger one never stopped:D Crating the younger one worked a treat, but we got up a few times in the night to let her out, as you say, not nice to sleep with poop. I think youre probably set back as the pup and its mother were not 'house' dogs and if their bed was next to their loo, pup wont know any difference. I'd go back to basics, put pup outside (youre right, the vet sounds stupid!) and when he goes to the loo, praise soooooo madly that he knows he's the best pup in the world. If it happens inside, a firm NO but you have to be around to catch him in progress!

(I know the dogs your neighbours, but its easier to refer to 'you' :D )
 
My last pup was crated. Everytime he had a nap, I would place him in the cage with the door left open to begin with. I made the cage very comfortable and cosy and put a cover over it. A nice soft teddy to snuggle into and after a few days, he was happy to sleep in it. During the day, after every feed, I would take him to his toilet mat by the door and encourage to 'go'. They soon pick it up, but you do have to be consistent. His last feed at 5 will not see him through till morning. I would be giving him his last feed about 8/9, then an hour before bed have a really good game with him to tire him out.:)
 
Pup is a Bedlington type, but it has been bought from some sort of puppy farm/gypsy type people, my neighbours were pretty shocked by the pen they were kept in.
The pup is not able to last for long without pooping, they were up the first few nights with it, vet told them to buy a cage, not me.
It was totally distraught because it had to poop in the cage.
I told then to let it sleep in its bed and poop on paper, at least it would not be in trauma.
 
Can they not set their alarm and put it out to toilet in the night? It will not be able to go through the night at that age esp with no training.
 
Pups have small bladders and bowels, they will pee and poo often, especially after meals. When pup is very young, I use newspaper/puppy pads for them to use during the night. (I like my sleep and there is no way I'm getting up 3 or 4 times a night!). :)
 
Moi, I agree it will not be able to go overnight without a pee, the vet told them it was NOT to go outside, so they have stuck to this religiously, even though I explained it would not be in any danger from parvo if it were put out in the yard.
This is the same vet who told me never to let my cats out at night, as they are going to be run down, well they have not been run down yet, and are both 9 years old, they sleep all day and go in and out all night, as is their wont.
This same practice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I can't tell you how bad they are, but I drive twenty miles to the next vet practice, put it that way! This is THE most profitable vet practice in the West of Scotland.
 
Poor little pup, again I advise you to contact Cayla on here via pm, her puppy guide covers everything you could think of and was so helpful to us as we hadnt had a puppy for 20years.
 
blazingsaddles said:
Pups have small bladders and bowels, they will pee and poo often, especially after meals. When pup is very young, I use newspaper/puppy pads for them to use during the night. (I like my sleep and there is no way I'm getting up 3 or 4 times a night!). :)
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This is the most sensible comment to date, it is not me who is worried, it is my neighbours, I just wondered, if the pup is fed at 5.00pm, and is put to bed at 11.00, should it still be pooping every hour through the night. It is obviously not going to cope with the cage, which to my mind is far too small [see post about the most expensive cage in the world!]
to my mind the cage should be big enough to allow pup to pee and to poop in a different area, either that or leave the door open and it can poop on the paper outside.
 
blazingsaddles said:
My last pup was crated. Everytime he had a nap, I would place him in the cage with the door left open to begin with. I made the cage very comfortable and cosy and put a cover over it. A nice soft teddy to snuggle into and after a few days, he was happy to sleep in it. During the day, after every feed, I would take him to his toilet mat by the door and encourage to 'go'. They soon pick it up, but you do have to be consistent. His last feed at 5 will not see him through till morning. I would be giving him his last feed about 8/9, then an hour before bed have a really good game with him to tire him out.:)
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Vet told them three feeds per day, last one at 5.00 pm., then make sure it gets to play until it can play no more, this is not my idea, I would not be particularly worried, but the vet tells them what to do, and it is upsetting them that poor thing is having bad nights.
if it were me, I would do what I did with my pups, ie take them out in to garden, late at night, praise for pooing and bed down for the night, then carry them out first thing in the morning and repeat the dose.
The vet has sold them this crate as the be all and end all, well , in my day, I had no crate, I had a little pen, they went on paper, later, they could jump a barrier and go out in to garden, my bitch used to sleep at the end of my bed, and she would pee as soon as she got up, so I had to rush and throw her out in the garden.
 
I think animals tend to poo more if they're distressed. Having a puppy on his own is going to be time consuming for your neighbours and rightly so. He's finding his feet in a strange place with no familiar smells.
I keep mine on a tiled floor with a cosy bed and some paper next to the back door so at least they're going in the right direction for when they can poo outside.
I don't own a crate and I don't keep them away from the rest of the world, they need to be socialised ASAP and to explore their world in general. Just tell them to be selective with the canine company he's introduced to:)
 
Re: glass door, perhaps they could leave it open and put a baby gate up instead. That way he won't feel so isolated and may settle sooner.
 
Miss L Toe said:
This is the most sensible comment to date, it is not me who is worried, it is my neighbours, I just wondered, if the pup is fed at 5.00pm, and is put to bed at 11.00, should it still be pooping every hour through the night. It is obviously not going to cope with the cage, which to my mind is far too small [see post about the most expensive cage in the world!]
to my mind the cage should be big enough to allow pup to pee and to poop in a different area, either that or leave the door open and it can poop on the paper outside.
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I think that apart from feelings of loneliness, if it is also hungry and perhaps cold, it will create. My whippy/bedlingtons weren't the easiest and I vaguely remember hubby sleeping downstairs with pup on the first night! But it's like having a baby, routine is vital, as is a satisfied belly and a depletion of energy! I am not a vet, but their vet is wrong to say last meal at 5 for a nine week old pup. Far too long for such a young pup to go without food. Can you show them this thread? Perhaps they might be more willing to try other things. I only shutted pup in crate for short periods never through the night.
 
Sad outcome, the puppy has been taken by Bedlington Terrier Rescue, it was not ever going to settle at night, I don't know what will happen to it now.
My neighbours are out of pocket by £800, and traumatised.
Please , please don't go to some strange place to buy a pup. The pup was not KC registered, it was in a sort of shelter with a tin roof and bedded on straw, apparently the mother was in with the pups, which seemed odd if it was nine weeks old.
They has previously purchased a lovely bitch pup locally, but due to having to wait another few months, and pay extra for a good specimen, they went to a puppy farm and got a problem animal.
 
amymay said:
Puppy farm aside - why exactly was this puppy a 'problem' animal?
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It would sleep all day perfectly happy, not doing too well on the paper training, but getting there.
At night it just howled and howled, it was attended to every few hours, but could not be left alone, also it messed everywhere, and lots!
It was demented when left in the small cage [vet's idea] as it had to poop in the cage, this idea was abandoned after one night.
It was not cold, they left one heater on all night.
This went on for ten days, and neighbours started avoiding me, it was only the other day I found out what happened.
I had mentioned to them them a lovely litter of three Jack Russels which a friend of a friend had, all lovely and clean, living in a house, in a cage, and almost trained, but they insisted they must have a Bedlington.
 
amymay said:
Ah, so it was being a puppy - not a problem animal then :rolleyes:
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This. To be honest the owners just sound totally clueless. The only thing about the fact they got from a puppy farm is that a, a breeder prob wouldnt have let them have a puppy and b, if they did they would have been there for back up and insisted they crate trained for longer than one night and told them how to do it properly.
I hope the little pup is successfully rehomed throught the breed rescue. I'm sure it will be happy in a new home very swiftly.
 
Miss L Toe said:
It would sleep all day perfectly happy, not doing too well on the paper training, but getting there.
At night it just howled and howled, it was attended to every few hours, but could not be left alone, also it messed everywhere, and lots!
It was demented when left in the small cage [vet's idea] as it had to poop in the cage, this idea was abandoned after one night.
It was not cold, they left one heater on all night.
This went on for ten days, and neighbours started avoiding me, it was only the other day I found out what happened.
I had mentioned to them them a lovely litter of three Jack Russels which a friend of a friend had, all lovely and clean, living in a house, in a cage, and almost trained, but they insisted they must have a Bedlington.
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None of this is a problem puppy it is just the behaviour of a puppy. Why do you and your neighbours expect a 9 WEEK OLD puppy to be perfectly well behaved AND house trained?:mad::mad:

I am pleased the puppy has gone to the Rescue hopefully they will find a home for it that understands puppies aren't born perfect....:rolleyes::mad:

TBH from your posts neither yourself or your neighbours are up to looking after a puppy as neither of you seem to have the first idea what having a puppy involves:(

I have to say this post had upset and angered me almost more than any other post I have ever read in here:mad:
 
Poor, poor dog.
Would they expect a tiny baby to sleep through the night and stay clean?
Hope it gets a more suitable home, suggest to your neighbours they go for an older rescue/rehome next time.
 
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