New puppy unhappy

Fairly standard Slinks, morons buy a pup on a whim (can assume this is true as it has been stated they wouldnt wait for a proper breeders litter, had to have one NOW by whatever means neccessary) have no idea how to look after said puppy, think there is something wrong with the puppy and get rid. Serves them right, idiots, at least the pup is in a breed specific rescue, I would hazard that its already in a new home as we speak.
 
Slinkyunicorn said:
None of this is a problem puppy it is just the behaviour of a puppy. Why do you and your neighbours expect a 9 WEEK OLD puppy to be perfectly well behaved AND house trained?:mad::mad:

I am pleased the puppy has gone to the Rescue hopefully they will find a home for it that understands puppies aren't born perfect....:rolleyes::mad:

TBH from your posts neither yourself or your neighbours are up to looking after a puppy as neither of you seem to have the first idea what having a puppy involves:(

I have to say this post had upset and angered me almost more than any other post I have ever read in here:mad:
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Good heavens, sorry to have upset you, it is not my puppy, I just asked for a few ideas as the neighbours were struggling, and were taking the vet's advice on feeding and on caging [which did not work].
I suggested they stop putting paper all over the place, but made sure it was put on to paper as soon as it woke up. Also suggested it was trained to sleep in one place rather than all over the place, there is only so much I could do as a neighbour.
By the way, I have had two dogs from puppy-hood [unlike those people who seem to go through dogs like others go through ice creams] also my bitch had a litter of pups, and they were all paper trained by six to seven weeks.
I don't recall any problem with training, but I took them out at night for a walk in the garden late at night and first thing in the morning.
I also have two cats, and have owned four horses, also worked on farms or in racing stables so really I am pretty clued up with animal husbandry [Oh btw I won a medal for animal husbandry when at agricultural college].
I hope you not quite so stressed now SU!
 
Vizslak said:
Fairly standard Slinks, morons buy a pup on a whim (can assume this is true as it has been stated they wouldnt wait for a proper breeders litter, had to have one NOW by whatever means neccessary) have no idea how to look after said puppy, think there is something wrong with the puppy and get rid. Serves them right, idiots, at least the pup is in a breed specific rescue, I would hazard that its already in a new home as we speak.
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Sorry, the neighbours are elderly and lost their lovely lady dog four months ago, they waited a few months then decided to get a new one, not on a whim.
If the breeder they knew had one available it would have worked out, but her bitch was expected to have pups sometime in the next two months, so they decided to get this one from some unknown person. They were naive not morons.
My God, some of you on here have severe attitude problems.
 
I dont think we do actually, just hate seeing dogs messed about by plonkers. Yes it was a whim, they wouldnt wait 2 measly months to get one from a breeder. The advice given to them wasnt listened to, you said they gave up on crate training on the first night, thats not how it works, they were given advice by the vet and they ignored it. You cant crate train a pup in 2 minutes. There is a difference between being naive and having the right advice and doing your own sweet thing regardless. You cant plead ignorance if you have been told the answer.
 
Miss L Toe said:
If the breeder they knew had one available it would have worked out, but her bitch was expected to have pups sometime in the next two months, so they decided to get this one from some unknown person.
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How would it have worked out? They don't seem to have been equipped to look after a puppy.

My God, some of you on here have severe attitude problems.
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Not really - just a bit :mad: that a puppy is suddenly labled as a problem.:confused:
 
amymay said:
But then you later disregarded it as a problem animal.......
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amymay, I assume you mean I diagnosed it as a problem animal, well it was a problem to the neighbours, and personally I would not have bought a pup from the people and circumstances they described.
They had had a pup before, from a breeder, and coped OK, so no reason to think they were anything other than average caring people, most of the advice was given by their vet [who I avoid like the plague], but it would be no good me telling them that.
If I though it would have helped I could have taken the pup for a few days to try to train it, but obviously that would have meant moving it again, anyway I have two cats and no penning facilities.
 
Vizslak said:
I dont think we do actually, just hate seeing dogs messed about by plonkers. Yes it was a whim, they wouldnt wait 2 measly months to get one from a breeder. The advice given to them wasnt listened to, you said they gave up on crate training on the first night, thats not how it works, they were given advice by the vet and they ignored it. You cant crate train a pup in 2 minutes. There is a difference between being naive and having the right advice and doing your own sweet thing regardless. You cant plead ignorance if you have been told the answer.
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Sorry, I don't understand your problem, but I think I have met people like you, and avoid them.
 
Miss L Toe said:
amymay, I assume you mean I diagnosed it as a problem animal, well it was a problem to the neighbours, and personally I would not have bought a pup from the people and circumstances they described.
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It was a problem because it was a puppy, not because there was something inherently wrong with it. And the circumstances in which they bought it - whilst not ideal - won't have had anything to do with how the puppy acted.


They had had a pup before, from a breeder, and coped OK, so no reason to think they were anything other than average caring people, most of the advice was given by their vet [who I avoid like the plague], but it would be no good me telling them that.
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Quite frankly it doesn't matter where the puppy came from - it's needs will have been the same. And there's no reason to suppose the people weren't caring individuals. But perhaps their days of being able to cope with a puppy have passed......
 
Miss L Toe said:
Sorry, I don't understand your problem, but I think I have met people like you, and avoid them.
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I'm extremely pleased about that! Neither you or your neighbours would stand a cat in hells chance of getting one of my pups!
I refuse to believe a 9 week old puppy in its new house for 10 days can be anything other than a 9 week old pup trying to adjust, regardless of where/who it came from. It can not be labelled a problem, its a 9week old pup!
 
Massive c**k up aside, obviously young pup with elderly couple have not mixed, not sure why it would and hopefully they have learnt this.But maybe a quiter older dog would.


And OP just because you have dogs doesnt mean you know dogs I thought I knew what I was doing, but having Dylan and Teal turned my world upside down, all of a sudden I cared about diet, training(which is more than just socialisation, sit and stay) which I naively thought I knew becuase I have always been around friends dogs etc.
Show your neighbours this

http://www.oldies.org.uk/


there are soo many rescue dogs on here that just want a quiet life and a sofa to call their own. When Dylan is less bouncy I will be looking at another elderly boy.
 
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The thing is, people do have unrealistic expectations of puppies - I see it all the time. They think the pup will just settle right in and basically train itself, and they don't! And that's when people get disheartened.

Often, with some advice and commitment people turn it around but if they can't or won't, the sooner the puppy is rehomed the better. A younger dog will find it easier to find a new home, and will not be too messed up. I certainly wish Henry's old owners had called it quits much sooner, because at 18 months old some of his bad habits were set in stone, and you can't make up for the socialisation that I'm sure he must have missed out on.

I hate to see young dogs on the scrapheap, but better that than ending up a messed up older dog.
 
Good outcome for pup I'd say. He will no longer be in solitary confinement, have an appropriate diet and finally some mental stimulation. The purchasers have the equivalent of a large 'fine' which will hopefully concentrate their minds when they next fancy an impulse buy.
Where is the breeder in all this? Any decent breeder will expect progress reports and won't take kindly to being stonewalled.

As for the damage done. I know an older couple who took on a young GSD. They were his fourth home. I see them regularly and two years down the line he is a beautiful well balanced dog. There are dog people and there are people who buy dogs. Big difference;)
 
Poor pup, at least he should go to a more suitable home now.

He sounds like a normal, 9 week old pup.

I got my malamute pups at 8 weeks and for the first 2 weeks they were quiet at night. We fed them in their crates and they slept in them during the day - doors open. They just didn't like being left alone at night, and after the initial 2 weeks, started howling at night.
Pillows over our heads, we went back to sleep (or tried to).

At 6 months they are just starting to be clean all night, and are quietish now - although with the morning getting lighter, they wake up earlier!!!

Puppies need to be trained, they don't come knowing it all. It sounds like your neighbours just weren't prepared for a pup, and all that entails, as they are hard work.
 
The puppy is not at fault in any of this. The fault lies with the HUMANS! They decided they could not be bothered to get up in the night to put the puppy outside to toilet so THEY FORCED the puppy to toilet in it's crate. What other choice did it have? The only fault here lies with the people who got the puppy and couldn't be bothered to put the effort in.

Poor thing. I'm sure it will now end up in a good home and will be clean in it's crate within days!
 
A young pup, whether crated or not, will not be clean at night. I didn't shut my pups in their crate at night, because sleeping inches from poo can't be pleasant. Also young pups aren't very careful where they place their feet and shi!!y bedding isn't pleasant either! Puppies are hard work, some are more demanding than others and it appears Miss L Toes neighbours where unprepared for the hard work involved. I hope little pup finds a wonderful home with owners that don't get stressed by the normal mess and noise and general chaos caused by puppies.
 
Ah puppies are like babies.
Our first pup slept in the kitchen with a nice warm comfy bed and a soft toy (Edward Bear). He howled and whined for the first two nights. This is normal behaviour and distressing to hear - but they soon grasp that you come back again every morning with a smiley face and a cuddle.
We would find the occasional wee or poo in the morning, but you just clear it up. If he had an accident in the house, we made no big deal out of it and just cleaned it up.
During the day, whenever he was active, we would take him into the garden and say "quicklies". As soon as he performed in the garden he would get a lot of fuss. It took him a week and then was completely house trained (barring peeing with excitement at visitors)
Our second pup, took 2 days to become house trained. We had no crying at night either because he had Toby to snuggle up with.
My boys are now 3 & 2. Wonderful dogs and our family would be incomplete without them.
It takes time and patience to train a puppy.
 
When you lack basic common sense and a brain cell, getting a puppy is a really bad idea and indeed it's always the "I want it yesterday kind" that fail dismally, I have learnt this with the rescues.
 
Have to agree that this wasn't a problem puppy, it was a normal puppy that the owners weren't prepared to give a chance. Okay, so the bad breeder probably didn't help by not starting house training, but surely when people take on a pup they know they are going to have sleepless nights and mess, its part of the package. It can be a shock having to start with a new puppy after losing an old dog who has become part of the household, but they really should have considered that. If they still feel they are prepared to put in the time needed with any dog it is a good idea to suggest they take on an older rescue, hopefully a rescue will make them aware that older dogs can take time to settle too.
I hope the pup soon finds a loving home.
 
This whole thread has made my teeth itch . . . and I'm very glad to hear that the pup has now gone to be rehomed. People who expect 9-week-old pups to be clean and quiet at night are delusional . . . would they expect a very young baby to not wake in the night to be fed/changed, etc.?

Our dogs sleep with us and always have . . . I just made sure they went out before bed when tiny and got up several times in the night to let them out . . .

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galaxy said:
The puppy is not at fault in any of this. The fault lies with the HUMANS! They decided they could not be bothered to get up in the night to put the puppy outside to toilet so THEY FORCED the puppy to toilet in it's crate. What other choice did it have? The only fault here lies with the people who got the puppy and couldn't be bothered to put the effort in.

Poor thing. I'm sure it will now end up in a good home and will be clean in it's crate within days!
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They were up all night for a week, indeed they were unable to sleep due to the pup howling.
The vet who sold them the crate gave them instruction, they did not use the crate after night one.
 
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