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This is where we are at now after 3 weeks of Sarc-Ex and it looks a damn sight better than it did.

There are two other small sarcoids which due to their positions were not treated with the cream, these are the same as they ever were and I will be monitoring their progress as I feed the Sarc-Ex.
 
omg have a look at mine then! These have all just been banded, they have now shrivelled up and are about to fall off. Tried Thuja Cream before hand but didnt make no difference...


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YIKES!!!!
What breed is your mare and did she have any predisposing problems before hand?
My boy is a homebred 7/8tb, neither parent has sarcoids but he was very run down following imho too many antibiotics prescribed by the vet following his gelding operation (which went wrong) which caused him to pick up a virus following a move to a new yard (which turned out to be filthy) followed by the appearance of sarcoids the following year.
The one on show was treated with Liverpool cream.
 
She is a warmblood x tb. There were none there when she was 2 years old, and then i can remember seeing the first one slowly come through, 2 years later and look how they are now! Atleast theyre not visable anyway. Fingers X'd they don't sprout anywhere else!
 
Mine (2yr old TBxTrak) had a tiny bit of wobbly skin for ages then almost over night had a marble sized one. Had hers cut off due to its position and because when rubbing kept making it raw. I have heard and read on horsegossip forum that some have used Manuka Honey with amazing results - £10+ for a jar against £300+ op, wish they'd talked about it before I went down the op route!!! Vet told me no reason why some horses get them as not hereditary
 
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Sarcoids can get really big!!! :eek:

It's great to see the images some people have posted...but there are a lot of myths about sarcoids, some of which can be quite frustrating when coming to treat a horse.

There are several different types of sarcoid - occult, verrucous, nodular, fibroplastic and mixed. Fibroplastic are the type that have been demonstrated on this thread so far.

There is a lot still to learn about sarcoids. They are classified as a tumour but do exhibit some viral characteristics and flies are implicated in the spread of sarcoids on each individual horse. It is yet to proven as to whether sarcoids are passed from horse to horse in the same manner.

There are many types of treatment discussed. The problem is that sarcoid tissue does not like being interfered with. I myself am not fan or surgery to remove these unless it is to debulk a large tumour to get to the root with chemotherapy cream from Liverpool as a concurrent treatment. Ringing can be really useful especially alongside use of the cream. BCG vaccines is successful often on ocular nodular sarcoids and failing that radiotherapy is also available.

IMO applying manuka, MSM, Camrosa or any other other anecdotal treatments available is asking for trouble. I have heard a number of success stories, but unfortunately also treated a number total disasters where good meaning advice had been passed on by a friend, and the sarcoid did not react at all well, exploding (metaphorically) into an aggressive growth spurt requiring far more expensive and invasive treatment that would otherwise have been necessary.

There is no hereditary link proven, and some horses seem to be extremely prone, others never have any trouble...:(

Be careful of cheaper alternative treatments, testing of the nutraceutical products is often anecdontal and tenuous....consequences are usually wasted time and money, but sometimes aggrevation of the tissue.

Having said that, I'd be really interested to hear how the OP's horse continues to do on Sarc-ex....;) Good luck.

Imogen
 
ImogenBurrows said:
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Sarcoids can get really big!!! :eek:

It's great to see the images some people have posted...but there are a lot of myths about sarcoids, some of which can be quite frustrating when coming to treat a horse.

There are several different types of sarcoid - occult, verrucous, nodular, fibroplastic and mixed. Fibroplastic are the type that have been demonstrated on this thread so far.

There is a lot still to learn about sarcoids. They are classified as a tumour but do exhibit some viral characteristics and flies are implicated in the spread of sarcoids on each individual horse. It is yet to proven as to whether sarcoids are passed from horse to horse in the same manner.

There are many types of treatment discussed. The problem is that sarcoid tissue does not like being interfered with. I myself am not fan or surgery to remove these unless it is to debulk a large tumour to get to the root with chemotherapy cream from Liverpool as a concurrent treatment. Ringing can be really useful especially alongside use of the cream. BCG vaccines is successful often on ocular nodular sarcoids and failing that radiotherapy is also available.

IMO applying manuka, MSM, Camrosa or any other other anecdotal treatments available is asking for trouble. I have heard a number of success stories, but unfortunately also treated a number total disasters where good meaning advice had been passed on by a friend, and the sarcoid did not react at all well, exploding (metaphorically) into an aggressive growth spurt requiring far more expensive and invasive treatment that would otherwise have been necessary.

There is no hereditary link proven, and some horses seem to be extremely prone, others never have any trouble...:(

Be careful of cheaper alternative treatments, testing of the nutraceutical products is often anecdontal and tenuous....consequences are usually wasted time and money, but sometimes aggrevation of the tissue.

Having said that, I'd be really interested to hear how the OP's horse continues to do on Sarc-ex....;) Good luck.

Imogen
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Thanks for this and the pic, very informative.
 
Doncella said:
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This is where we are at now after 3 weeks of Sarc-Ex and it looks a damn sight better than it did.

There are two other small sarcoids which due to their positions were not treated with the cream, these are the same as they ever were and I will be monitoring their progress as I feed the Sarc-Ex.
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my horses is like this exactly it came from nowere grew very quick he is down for liverpool treatment next week from vet over four/five visits weird thing is its slowly changed and shrunk slightly fur growing back as well -with no treatment sorry not hijacking post
 
thinlizzy said:
my horses is like this exactly it came from nowere grew very quick he is down for liverpool treatment next week from vet over four/five visits weird thing is its slowly changed and shrunk slightly fur growing back as well -with no treatment sorry not hijacking post
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Spontaneous regression is not unheard of. It is often why it is difficult to assess our treatments!! Best of luck with the treatment.
 
thinlizzy said:
Thank-you can they be stress related ? I think hes much happier on new yard farm type livery than last place livery yard
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I wouldn't think that they are stress related in their own right. However, surely as with anything, the overall immunity of the horse will be less challenged in a lower stress environment and this enable better reactions to sort out infections etc. I don't know if this follows for sarcoids, but it would follow that a happier horse will be "weller" (if that's not a word it should be!! :lol:)
 
Doncella - I swear to you that sarcoid is exactly like the one on my mare. I really think you should think about pressing your fingers either side of it without squeezing but press backward. I wouldn't mind betting it will pop out into your hand cleanly as its half out anyway. The hole it leaves behind it quite alarming but just wash with very mild hibiscrub and then leave well alone. I bet it shrivels up just like my mares and the other lady who replied on your other thread.
 
Doncella said:
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This is where we are at now after 3 weeks of Sarc-Ex and it looks a damn sight better than it did.

There are two other small sarcoids which due to their positions were not treated with the cream, these are the same as they ever were and I will be monitoring their progress as I feed the Sarc-Ex.
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That looks a LOT like a sarcoid/nodule PF had. It started to grow when she was in foal.

It was like this for several years

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Started to grow when preggers- vet said she wouldn't touch it as on a vein :(
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Skin started to split (meeep!!)
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And bleed
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Skin starting to peel back (ick ick ick)
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This one has been sprayed with an antiseptic spray, hence silver
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revolting stuff popped out of it... Still vet said to leave alone
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Again, it's been sprayed
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Then it fell out (again, sprayed)
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And it's healed and left only a tiny scar. Don't have a pic of that though. This is quite possibly how your sarcoid/nodule will progress.
 
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