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Like many horsey people, I've loved horses since I was a pre-schooler.
Despite much desperation as a child and pleading day in day out, I didn't manage to buy my own horse until I was into my 40's and although I had various people tell me not to get a youngster, I looked at so many 'experienced' horses that all had either health or behavioural issues that concerned me that we ended up getting an amazing young mare. Touch wood, she's very healthy. Other than a couple of minor field incidents, we've been very lucky with her (so far.. don't want to talk anything up). Only rarely does she nap or pretend she's a giraffe.
We've owned her two years and she is genuinely a lovely girl who seems to want to look after her rider (I rider her and two of my children, one a lot more than the other) and she tries her best with whatever you ask of her. She's not a posh horse but she is very pretty, I'm naturally biased but she gets regular compliments from horsey and non-horsey people. She went from being stabled much of the time to living out 24/7 and other than the mare state of death when it's heavy rain, storm force winds and ice on the ground, she seems incredibly happy with her living arrangements.

We didn't get our mare to make friends, although I do think it'd be nice to get on with people well enough that we could all be generally 'noice', help each other out and be supportive when needed. It took a very, very long time to find someone to ride out with, during that time we'd had a run in with a livery who seems to be known for her outbursts and false accusations (and yet she still seems to be in on every event organised and always has someone to ride out with when she wants it). Sadly, having someone to ride out with only lasted a few weeks and it only happened a handful of times before a better offer came along for them (they were offered the use of another owners horse so family members could ride out together) and since then we seem to have been dropped, we rarely hear anything and when we try, it's hard to arrange a convenient time anymore. There aren't many lockdown rules being followed lately. It sometimes seems like they are deliberately trying to be difficult as they'll watch us tidy up and then they'll do whatever they need to do, make a mess and just leave. There are few chores to do, we're super lucky but there's a couple of weekly chores over winter and another that needs doing every 3-4 weeks, both seem to be nearly always our job as everyone else has an excuse as to why they can't, well we could all say that but the jobs would still need doing.

So we've been back to doing our own thing for a while now. When the other owners are there it's very full on/ over the top, 'darling', 'my sweet', 'my love', all tripping over each other to feed each others horses, change rugs, things like that, sometimes riding out together but despite us helping most of them out, we've seen them walk right past our horse when she's had a rug strap hanging down. We arrived one day when she'd got her rug caught and two other owners were then coming out of the field with their horses and said nothing. When any combination are down there, they rarely speak to us, usually completely ignore us and only try to chat to us if we're the only other ones there. When they are chatting to each other they will periodically start whispering together and some days I find myself trying to arrange to get there when I think no one else will be there, it's pretty hard to organise when with our jobs.
Of the owners we know about, we are one of the ones who live the furthest away from our horse, many live in the village or only a village or two over.
Our jobs, like many others, have been incredibly stressful in recent months and the horrible atmosphere has brought me to tears a few times, just in the last couple of weeks and I'm not normally someone who cries easily. Our mare is very happy and very settled and we're incredibly grateful for that and that we have lots of land for hacking and arenas to ride in.

I know it's difficult with the pandemic going on but looking back over photo albums of when I was a kid and young adult, it was so easy to get chatting to other horsey people and before you knew it you'd arranged to meet up for a ride, get help with the horse you were responsible for if you couldn't get there, you would often get together away from the horses too, even if it was just going to the pub for a drink and chat. We definitely bonded over sweat, bruises, horsey smells, fun and horse poo. Over the year and periods of not being in the horsey world have meant I lost contact with most of those crazy, random, lovely people and the ones I've remained in contact with are spread around the world, none nearby unfortunately. Many of them have been able to enjoy making the sort of friendships we enjoyed in the years when we bounced better and I admit I'm envious as I'd like to have some local horsey friends.

Any ideas and suggestions? Maybe it is me? I'd be really grateful for help.... thank you
 

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Hi, welcome to the forum ?

How about joining a local riding club? I know it won't help right now with lockdown and all, but once things are up and running again you could take you mare to clinics and offer to help at shows etc. Very quickly you would start getting to know a few people ?

Other than that it is probably just a case of plodding on unfortunately. Some yards are just a bit like how you describe, with a lot of cliquey behaviour going on. Interestingly I've found that it is usually only one or two people who create that atmosphere, and when they are gone suddenly everyone else goes back to acting like normal human beings. Certainly not all yards are like it so you could move, but the yard itself sounds great, so probably best to look for horsey friends outside the yard and try to keep your head down and block out the silliness from those on your yard.
 

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From my observation these situations have cycles..people arrive make alliances, “do” each other’s horses etc until the inevitable fall out when one of the parties moves on and the other casts about for another buddy...and things start over again. Cultivate your independence..don’t go out of your way to do favours...it can get taken for granted. Routinely hack and make friendly comments about others always being welcome to join you..and you may very well see a change in behaviour.
 

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I can feel the sadness in what you've written. I don't know if it's just nostalgia, but I feel the same about friendship not being the same, or as easy, these days. Perhaps life is just too busy, when it's not isolated like now through the virus.

One thought I do have is what would happen if you didn't do the chores? You are being taken for granted/used and I would want to stop that.
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I realise that this may not be possible for you, but a second horse for family members might help to resolve your problem.
Your experience is very common, particularly for people who aren't pushy. A second horse would not only give you some one to ride with, but it also changes the dynamics on the yard. If you're in a position where you don't need to rely on other people, suddenly they begin to gravitate towards you.
Otherwise, take this time to look for a different yard. Some yards are just plain unfriendly. You and your mare deserve better.
 

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Hi, welcome to the forum ?

How about joining a local riding club? I know it won't help right now with lockdown and all, but once things are up and running again you could take you mare to clinics and offer to help at shows etc. Very quickly you would start getting to know a few people ?

Other than that it is probably just a case of plodding on unfortunately. Some yards are just a bit like how you describe, with a lot of cliquey behaviour going on. Interestingly I've found that it is usually only one or two people who create that atmosphere, and when they are gone suddenly everyone else goes back to acting like normal human beings. Certainly not all yards are like it so you could move, but the yard itself sounds great, so probably best to look for horsey friends outside the yard and try to keep your head down and block out the silliness from those on your yard.

Thanks for your lovely message DabDab. I think we'll look at my children joining pony club when we're out of lockdown but I'm not sure what riding clubs there are for oldies like me..? Any suggestions of ones to look for?
Would like to ease into some clinics and going back a fair few years, I used to help out at different events, the last ones were reading for dressage judges (I'm not great at dressage but I love helping out/ watching others do dressage and have fun).
I did do a double take recently when I over heard one of them telling a girl how welcoming everyone is at the yard, probably a new arrival and I do hope for her sake they're all nice to her.
Yes ,I think you're right. Perhaps I don't fit in because I buck the trend of following the crowd, we tend to make our minds up about people based on our own experience of them and not what others say. There's not a huge turn around of people, most people seem to stay as long as their horse lives and longer if they have subsequent ones.
The yard is amazing, well looked after and the management is very good and most important is that my mare is really happy.
Thanks for your advice, will do our best to keep our head down and hope this side of things change for the better when Covid lifts a bit.
 

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From my observation these situations have cycles..people arrive make alliances, “do” each other’s horses etc until the inevitable fall out when one of the parties moves on and the other casts about for another buddy...and things start over again. Cultivate your independence..don’t go out of your way to do favours...it can get taken for granted. Routinely hack and make friendly comments about others always being welcome to join you..and you may very well see a change in behaviour.

Thanks for your reply Midlifecrisis, what a great username.
We have pulled back from doing the few favours we did for others recently but I do wonder if that's made them worse? I know what you mean.
We do make conversation with others in passing, perhaps I should be more direct at inviting them, I guess I tend to drop more hints about not really having anyone to ride out with and hope they'll say something positive back about riding out. Thanks for your advice, always good to have ideas of things I can work on.
 

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I can feel the sadness in what you've written. I don't know if it's just nostalgia, but I feel the same about friendship not being the same, or as easy, these days. Perhaps life is just too busy, when it's not isolated like now through the virus.

One thought I do have is what would happen if you didn't do the chores? You are being taken for granted/used and I would want to stop that.
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Yes I guess there is a bit of sadness in there, I think I've just been so surprised at how downright unfriendly/ rude many people are. I really do feel okay about riding and doing my own thing or having my family come with me on foot the majority of the time, I certainly don't have the time to be in someone else's pocket daily or even weekly at times but I miss that camaraderie of meeting up to ride out and explore with another rider and chatting about the joys of mare moods, bum scratches (my mares not mine - honestly) and the gamble of, will the weather man get it right.
Years ago it seemed easy to find genuine people who you knew would check on your horse when they did theirs, even if they knew you were coming down or already been down, they'd just check for 4 legs and a head in the right place and they knew you'd do same for them.

If we don't do those chores, the area we use to tie up would get muddy and slippy, there'd be poo, food and items left everywhere and the electric fencing would just be a redundant line around the perimeter of the field. Oddly enough we have just tried tidying one areas but when that's tidy, everyone else starts using it... I try very hard to not be in a rush but with this pandemic going on there are times when we are in a hurry and then end up running late getting to work or getting home to make work calls because I've been tidying up.
If I had my horse at home I might not be quite as tidy as I am now but I figure that this area belongs to someone else, we like and get on with the management and it seems rude to leave it in a state and really smelly.
 

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Most areas have a friendly riding club that does stuff at grass roots levels for people of all ages.

If you give an idea of your county, people on the forum may tell you, or you could Google countyx/townx riding clubs
 

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I realise that this may not be possible for you, but a second horse for family members might help to resolve your problem.
Your experience is very common, particularly for people who aren't pushy. A second horse would not only give you some one to ride with, but it also changes the dynamics on the yard. If you're in a position where you don't need to rely on other people, suddenly they begin to gravitate towards you.
Otherwise, take this time to look for a different yard. Some yards are just plain unfriendly. You and your mare deserve better.

Thanks dogatemysalad (brilliant name).
I know my children would like us to have another horse, they often don't like waiting their turn but in this recent lockdown I have found it difficult at times to feel like I've given our mare enough time. I have thought about loaning a pony for them in future or possibly even buying a second horse that would be suitable for my children and possibly my non-horsey husband to ride, but this would be in the future when the pandemic calms down and I'm certain that my job is as secure as it can be (we are in the last phase of paying off our mortgage, which would then make finances easier).
So far I've managed without help or support from any of the other owners, just my family and a couple of non-horsey friends helping at times. Earlier last year, when I asked if one of the others would take her fly mask off and on a separate occasion I asked if one of them could possibly change her rug for me, the other owners said yes both times but then didn't do it.... so my girl was left with a fly mask on overnight, she was quite spooky when I got to her the next morning, I've always removed it overnight and the other time her rug didn't get changed, so she ended up with a soaked through rug on until I got to her the next day when she was pacing by the gate and in the damp rug.
Obviously I'm old but would never agree to do something and then not do it, if for whatever reason I couldn't do it I'd call them back.

The yard is lovely, I just wish the people were a bit friendlier.
 

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Join a riding club and stay on HHO. Also find a reason not to do the routine jobs - hint: use exactly the same excuse as the least friendly livery did last month, even if it's blatantly not true.
Do you have horse transport?

Thanks D66, I will have a search for riding clubs in my area. At one point last year, for health reasons, I shouldn't have been doing any of the chores and had to get family and friends to help out but still none of them did anything, probably assumed my family and friends would do it all.

I do have my own trailer, yes. Although I'm that old I don't need to take a test, I'm thinking of taking one when lockdown is over because although I've driven it out successfully a handful of times, it's been a bit stressful at times trying to work out which I need to turn the wheel to turn the trailer the right way. I'm okay driving the trailer about with my girl inside, it's the parking and getting out again that's the brain workout.
 

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Thanks D66, I will have a search for riding clubs in my area. At one point last year, for health reasons, I shouldn't have been doing any of the chores and had to get family and friends to help out but still none of them did anything, probably assumed my family and friends would do it all.

I do have my own trailer, yes. Although I'm that old I don't need to take a test, I'm thinking of taking one when lockdown is over because although I've driven it out successfully a handful of times, it's been a bit stressful at times trying to work out which I need to turn the wheel to turn the trailer the right way. I'm okay driving the trailer about with my girl inside, it's the parking and getting out again that's the brain workout.

can I suggest that when we get released from lockdown you take the trailer to a large car park. Forestry commission ones are excellent. Go at a quiet time (and on your own if that is better) and just play with your vehicle and trailer. Backwards, forwards, turning. Just keep practising where have the time to analyse what response you are getting to turning the steering wheel and you are not in a rushed situation. It really does help. :)

Your posts sound very sad. I am afraid there are a lot of people around who just take and never repay. When you are older and more responsible you offer and give but it is never appreciated. Often they also seem to have little respect for other peoples yards or property. Sadly horse people seem to be some of the worst for this.
Can I suggest some headphones and music or a good book whilst you are working at the stables.Then at least you won't have to listen to their pathetic comments.
 

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Basic back story...

Like many horsey people, I've loved horses since I was a pre-schooler.
Despite much desperation as a child and pleading day in day out, I didn't manage to buy my own horse until I was into my 40's and although I had various people tell me not to get a youngster, I looked at so many 'experienced' horses that all had either health or behavioural issues that concerned me that we ended up getting an amazing young mare. Touch wood, she's very healthy. Other than a couple of minor field incidents, we've been very lucky with her (so far.. don't want to talk anything up). Only rarely does she nap or pretend she's a giraffe.
We've owned her two years and she is genuinely a lovely girl who seems to want to look after her rider (I rider her and two of my children, one a lot more than the other) and she tries her best with whatever you ask of her. She's not a posh horse but she is very pretty, I'm naturally biased but she gets regular compliments from horsey and non-horsey people. She went from being stabled much of the time to living out 24/7 and other than the mare state of death when it's heavy rain, storm force winds and ice on the ground, she seems incredibly happy with her living arrangements.

We didn't get our mare to make friends, although I do think it'd be nice to get on with people well enough that we could all be generally 'noice', help each other out and be supportive when needed. It took a very, very long time to find someone to ride out with, during that time we'd had a run in with a livery who seems to be known for her outbursts and false accusations (and yet she still seems to be in on every event organised and always has someone to ride out with when she wants it). Sadly, having someone to ride out with only lasted a few weeks and it only happened a handful of times before a better offer came along for them (they were offered the use of another owners horse so family members could ride out together) and since then we seem to have been dropped, we rarely hear anything and when we try, it's hard to arrange a convenient time anymore. There aren't many lockdown rules being followed lately. It sometimes seems like they are deliberately trying to be difficult as they'll watch us tidy up and then they'll do whatever they need to do, make a mess and just leave. There are few chores to do, we're super lucky but there's a couple of weekly chores over winter and another that needs doing every 3-4 weeks, both seem to be nearly always our job as everyone else has an excuse as to why they can't, well we could all say that but the jobs would still need doing.

So we've been back to doing our own thing for a while now. When the other owners are there it's very full on/ over the top, 'darling', 'my sweet', 'my love', all tripping over each other to feed each others horses, change rugs, things like that, sometimes riding out together but despite us helping most of them out, we've seen them walk right past our horse when she's had a rug strap hanging down. We arrived one day when she'd got her rug caught and two other owners were then coming out of the field with their horses and said nothing. When any combination are down there, they rarely speak to us, usually completely ignore us and only try to chat to us if we're the only other ones there. When they are chatting to each other they will periodically start whispering together and some days I find myself trying to arrange to get there when I think no one else will be there, it's pretty hard to organise when with our jobs.
Of the owners we know about, we are one of the ones who live the furthest away from our horse, many live in the village or only a village or two over.
Our jobs, like many others, have been incredibly stressful in recent months and the horrible atmosphere has brought me to tears a few times, just in the last couple of weeks and I'm not normally someone who cries easily. Our mare is very happy and very settled and we're incredibly grateful for that and that we have lots of land for hacking and arenas to ride in.

I know it's difficult with the pandemic going on but looking back over photo albums of when I was a kid and young adult, it was so easy to get chatting to other horsey people and before you knew it you'd arranged to meet up for a ride, get help with the horse you were responsible for if you couldn't get there, you would often get together away from the horses too, even if it was just going to the pub for a drink and chat. We definitely bonded over sweat, bruises, horsey smells, fun and horse poo. Over the year and periods of not being in the horsey world have meant I lost contact with most of those crazy, random, lovely people and the ones I've remained in contact with are spread around the world, none nearby unfortunately. Many of them have been able to enjoy making the sort of friendships we enjoyed in the years when we bounced better and I admit I'm envious as I'd like to have some local horsey friends.

Any ideas and suggestions? Maybe it is me? I'd be really grateful for help.... thank you

Welcome. What a sad post for you to have to write. You didn't mention if there was a yard owner or manager on the scene. If so could you have a quiet word with him/her about the tidying issue? Years ago I was on a DIY yard and the number of people who would sweep the yard was nowhere near the number of liveries. There were also liveries who as soon as you'd swept it would bring their horse out of the box without picking out its feet. I got so fed up at one point that I made up an anonymous humorous poem about keeping the yard tidy and put it on the notice board. You could suggest that as everything is very difficult with lockdown perhaps a rota would be useful so s/he knows it's going to get done. You've made me think about the social side of the yards I've been on and I realized that since I came back into horses a few years ago the yards have definitely had a less good social life. In my early days we did go out for meals and to the cinema together which hasn't happened at recent yards. I was at one yard a couple of years ago and you wouldn't have known it was Christmas. Perhaps when lockdown is over you could try to arrange a meal out together to generate some yard spirit. In the meantime I would keep my head down and try to ignore the other liveries. If you tidy up and it's a mess very soon after then ignore it! You sound very lucky that you have a lovely horse that you can hack out alone. Go and enjoy her and try not to think about the negative aspects of the yard.
 

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can I suggest that when we get released from lockdown you take the trailer to a large car park. Forestry commission ones are excellent. Go at a quiet time (and on your own if that is better) and just play with your vehicle and trailer. Backwards, forwards, turning. Just keep practising where have the time to analyse what response you are getting to turning the steering wheel and you are not in a rushed situation. It really does help. :)

Your posts sound very sad. I am afraid there are a lot of people around who just take and never repay. When you are older and more responsible you offer and give but it is never appreciated. Often they also seem to have little respect for other peoples yards or property. Sadly horse people seem to be some of the worst for this.
Can I suggest some headphones and music or a good book whilst you are working at the stables.Then at least you won't have to listen to their pathetic comments.

That's a really good idea Paddy555, thank you. One of the reasons why forums are so helpful, people will give you amazing ideas, even if I am sat here kicking myself and thinking I should have thought of that.

I didn't mean them to sound sad, don't want to be the latest 'sad Keanu' meme...
I had two of them stand there staring for a good 10 minutes while I struggled to move something on my own the other day. Having helped one of them, only a few days before with her horse, I feel like next time I should just stand there and watch. I think that annoys me the most because I'm always willing to help other people and can't imagine standing there watching someone else really struggle with something and not offer to help.
 
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