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what does everyone think of the new rule against newcomers being combined with a 110cm open in progressive / advanced schedules... it means there will be another reason for no foxhunter classes next winter as you can combine the two if you finish the schedule with newcomers...!
 
You can't combine the class but you can run them concurrently at the same time - but have to give out 2 sets of prizes. I think you will probably see more 1.10s now than Newcomers. there is also the potential for being able to enter both classes and then jump in the 'same' class twice.
 
The only example i've seen so far has been at the Bexhill Horse Show on May Bank Holiday....and it's not good from my point of view....they've ditched the 'Open' section so i will now have to jump the 1.05m Open before the Newcomers, and then hang around for the 1.15m after it
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Didn't really want to jump a 1.05m at that show so a bit p155ed off really
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I think its a shite rule change and have written a letter of objection to BSJA. So far i have not been able to find a show in the North West where i can jump a 1.10 followed by 1.20 (or Fox). Mine is out of Newcomers but i dont want my first class to be 1.20 every show, and i dont want to gallop around a 1.00 open against all the big ponies then have to wait around to jump 1.20 at the end of the evening. There are going to be alot of young horses who either dont progress because once out of Newc all they will jump is 1.00 or 1.05's or are pushed too hard and go straight into fox. bring back the combined class!!
 
Ive jumped in these before (is this new?!) - a Newcomer / 1.10m Open. So you choose which section your in but jump together and prizes are split. Maybe this isnt what your talking about..... but you certainly cant jump in the 'same' class twice. You can only jump in EITHER the NC or the Open. But maybe this has changed now with this new rule, I dont know but thats how its been in my area up until now!
 
MagicMelon....The rule has just changed !

The 'old' style system allowed for the NC and 1.10m Open to be combined if there were less than 30 starters...so show centres wouldn't be out of pocket. In the case of say 10 starters, of which 5 are NC horse, and 5 Open horses, they would just pay 2 prizes (1st and 2nd). Now, they would HAVE to pay 2 sets of 1st prize money....as they HAVE to pay the NC and Open sections as separate classes.
 
Has completely messed up addington for me.
Used to have a 1.00, 1.10 and 1.25 open. Withe the new rule they have dropped both the 1.00 and 1.10 open. Schedule now goes 1.05 open then 1.20 open.
Thanks BSJA.
 
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Has completely messed up addington for me.
Used to have a 1.00, 1.10 and 1.25 open. Withe the new rule they have dropped both the 1.00 and 1.10 open. Schedule now goes 1.05 open then 1.20 open.
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Perhaps we might see a few more 1.15m Opens appearing instead....as a little get around of the system
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ETS: Just as a thought, is it worth everyone who is affected / interested sending their views in an email to the BSJA ? I must admit, i wrote to them last year when the new schedule categories originally came in saying i thought the Fox/1.20m Open was going to disappear (and i was pretty much right in my area !). If we lose the 1.10m Opens too then we might as well give up once our horses have won £300 !
 
Right just checked all the schedules for my local venues. keysoe, pachetts, weston lawns.

Not one of them is holding a 1.10 open. All have newc.

Looks like I will either have to only jump the 1.15 or if I want a second class then start with a 1.05.

Will just have to get up to 1.25 then atleast I should have the choice of 1.15, 120 or 1.25 opens.

Do the BSJA actually have brains and do they use them?
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is it worth everyone who is affected / interested sending their views in an email to the BSJA ?

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Off to do exactely that now. They will be left in no doubt about my views on this idiotic rule.

Seems they only want Pro's or complete beginners in the BSJA now. Sod the middle group.
 
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I think there is going to be a rush of horses for sale that are out of Newcomers but are only going to be 1.20m horses
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Bugger I've just bought one of them....

Area 42 show is running both the New and 1.10 as 2 seperate classes at the same time.
 
yes, the bsja are pushing 115cm opens.... you can have a newcomers / 110cm open as long as that is the last class...you cannot hold a foxhunter afterwards...
i think people have been complaining that newcomer horses dont have a chance in the jump off against open horses & this is the result !

jacky wood & peter gillespie are the people to mail !

perhaps if katie reads this, you can write to h&h magazine again, see if you can get another letter in about the lack of foxhunters...& how this will make it worse !
 
They should have put the class split down from 30 to 20 or even 15 then and it would have had the same result and NC horses would have got placed.
 
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i think people have been complaining that newcomer horses dont have a chance in the jump off against open horses & this is the result !

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Well, i think their logic is flawed...i ride an Open horse and all the times i've been placed it's been because i've jumped a DC...slowly
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they just changed it from 20 up to 30...... but then everything seems to be changing at the moment...

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And no one complained until they moved the split to 30
 
And just to add insult to injury, Weston Lawns have changed sundays schedule from a 1.10 open to Newcommers.

Great, now I will have to go from 1.05 open to 1.15 open. Just hope the paramedics are well trained
 
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And just to add insult to injury, Weston Lawns have changed sundays schedule from a 1.10 open to Newcommers.

Great, now I will have to go from 1.05 open to 1.15 open. Just hope the paramedics are well trained

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And the problem there is that because the is a NC inbetween, the 1.05m JO *may* not be as strong (i.e upto max 1.15m) as it might if the 1.15m Open followed on directly. My logic there being that coursebuilders are less inclined to lower fences after a JO to accommodate the 1st round of the next class, so your 1.05m Open JO could be more like a 1.10m than a 1.15m
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I can understand what the BSJA are trying to do but once again they've made things far more complicated. They don't ever seem to think about the knock on effects of their rule changes.

First of all this make shows more expensive to run for the show centre as if there are poor entries they will still have to pay out two sets of prize money.

Second I don't know anyone with a Newcomer horse that gets that upset about not being placed against open horses. If they are producing the horse for bigger classes they will be happy with a good double clear. If the horse is only ever going to be a 1.10 horse then it had better start learning to go quicker as it will always find itself up against those sorts of horses. Although I always find that if you jump neat (as in not round the houses but not kamikaze) double clears consistently you will often find yourself in the placings.

As for the the lack of 1.10 opens in schedules, the BSJA will have undone what they tried to achieve with the intro/progressive/advanced thing - catering for horses/riders who want to compete within their comfort zone - as again the show centres will be forced to drop certain classes leading to lack of choice for the competitor.

I'm going to stop typing now because I could go on forever about how the BSJA have ruined schedules and this reply is long enough!!
 
I don't understand why centres are scheduling a newcomers over a 1.10? they would get more entries if they ran a 1.10 open than a straight newcomers.
 
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I don't understand why centres are scheduling a newcomers over a 1.10?

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Nor can I but all my local venues have scrapped the 1.10 open.
Does help with the old question of 'when is it time to move up a level'....answer is now.....'when the BSJA wipe out your classes'
 
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I don't understand why centres are scheduling a newcomers over a 1.10? they would get more entries if they ran a 1.10 open than a straight newcomers.

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Because they can only schedule a 1.10m Open if it's the last class, and in a Progressive schedule only.

This is the exeprt from the Rule Amendments as published on the BSJA website. It's not exactly blindingly obvious what they can do tbh....and if we can't understand it, what makes you think the show centres can
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Progressive/Advanced Newcomers class not to be combined with a 1.10m Open with the 1.10m Open
remaining in the pure Progressive schedule

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Progressive/Advanced Newcomers class not to be combined with a 1.10m Open with the 1.10m Open
remaining in the pure Progressive schedule

so why do they have to run a newcomers....?
 
Youre all spot on, BSJA are dumbing down, I can jump 90 cm and 1.00 classes at Riding club and trailblazers. I want to progress and jump in at (what is to me) a challenging height around 1.10/1.15 and 1.20. If its ok to run fox/1.20 what is wrong with new/1.10
 
They can run 2 types of schedule in the same ring so you can have BN, D, then an open, but thetre not going to run a 1.10 open, then start the advanced with a newcomers.

Who do you please those who jump one or if lucky two horses as often as possible or the pros bringing a HGV full of young horses to bring on and sell who turn up every show?

Your right there will be alot of horses on the market with £301 on their card.
 
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