Newmarket Joint Supplement

Not specifically for hock spavins but a lot of horses locally are on it as the Newmarket brand is part of/connected with our local equine vets - it is highly prized stuff and I even used to give it to my old German Shepherd Dog who almost immediately regained the ability to jump in the car again and lived to 13 1/2 years.. It's good stuff :-)
 
It's basically a joint supplement so you can use it for any degenerative joint condition but I believe that research suggests these type of supplements are also effective as a preventative measure - the only downside is the price but I think it works out similar or cheaper than Cortaflex etc.
 
My boy is on it for his hock spavins, don't know if its any good as been on it since his cortisteroid injections but he's in full work and jumps 3'.
 
It frustrates me that they imply the are marketing a specialist joint supplement.

It is high purity Glucosamine HCl at 99% purity with a brand name that vets get commission for marketing. You can buy identical ingredients elsewhere much cheaper e.g.

Aviform 1.5kg for £39.95 which will last 150 days fed at the recommended 10gms a day.
 
Mmmm. Much to think about. The NJS information says that, apart from Glucosomine, many ingredients in other supplements have no evidence that they can be absorbed or utilised by the horse. My thinking is that if I feed 10g of say, Aviform, I am not getting the same amount of Glucosomine as 10g of NSL.

Decisions, decisions!
 
Aviform's Glucosamine supplement (not to be confused with suppleaze or suppleaze gold) is glucosamine and nothing else (exactly the same as newmarket), feed 10g of it as they recommend and you are feeding 10g of glucosamine. It is what I use and I think it's great :)
 
Gorgeous George said:
Aviform's Glucosamine supplement (not to be confused with suppleaze or suppleaze gold) is glucosamine and nothing else (exactly the same as newmarket), feed 10g of it as they recommend and you are feeding 10g of glucosamine. It is what I use and I think it's great :)
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Thank you so much! I never would have found that out. I must admit I was being swayed towards NJS after reading the facebook forum recommended by Sarah-Jane, but this is a great alternative and cheaper!

Despite the odd "disagreements" HHO is a really helpful forum.
 
I had read somewhere that MSM is needed along side glucosamine in order for it work.

Did I imagine it or does someone else know about this?
 
Have recently put my old mare (26) on Aviform Suppleaze Gold and she's certainly much more mobile and "comfortable". I was a little cynical, but it's proving to be very effective!
 
MillionDollar said:
NJS and Cosequin Equine are the only two on the market that the horses' gut can actually absorb!!! The rest you might as well burn your money :)
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MillionDollar that is just plain wrong. I speak as someone who has worked as a scientist, and has a biochemistry degree, and who has looked fairly extensively into this.

The Aviform glucosamine and the NSJ glucosamine are identical. They are the same chemical compound.

Both are glucosamine HCl at 99% purity. Both are identical chemical compounds. Interchangeable. Both have independent purity certificates to back up their contents

If you fed 10gms with both you would be feeding slightly less than 10gms of glucosamine as both are 99% purity not 100%.

10gms of NSJ and 10gms of Aviform glucosamine would give your horse exactly the same amount of glucosamine in exactly the same form.

I repeat NSJ is a very expensive way to buy a simple ingredient. I would buy glucosamine from a cheaper source, as long as it is Glucosamine HCl (not sulphate or another form) and is 99% purity, and you can see an independent purity analysis certificate (or you trust the source e.g. your own vet).
 
mtj said:
Can I ask what distinguishes these supplements?
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They have done more research. But they dont have a patent on their active ingredients, so anyone can provide the same quality ingredients, that are identical cheaper.

Aviform’s Supplease gold is favourably comparable in cost (when factoring in purity and amount of active ingredient) to Cosequin Equine and Synequin and Riaflex Complete.

It is spin to say only Cosequin Equine and Synequin contain the right active ingredients. There is more research these products work. But Riaflex and Aviform / Suppleasegold are using the same specification ingredients at a fraction of the cost and don’t have the same research endorsement.

As long as you know what the ingredients, chemical compounds, purity, and active ingredients are, you can make your own informed decision.

I have seen the independent purity certificates for Aviform, and I am sure they would email them to anyone that asks them.

I don’t work for Aviform in anyway ;-)
 
Wingedhorse - thanks for that - very interesting. As I mentioned in my post, I was somewhat cynical about using a "joint supplement", but I really have noticed a difference. I'm pleased it wasn't just wishful thinking.
 
I can see the logic for paying less for the same chemical without the brand name and advertising behind it, but does anyone know how glucosamine based joint products compare with something like vetroflex?
My horse has been on cortavet but was tempted to the vetroflex by the promise of it working in a different way to glucosamine supplements and the money back promise. Only case I think I will be looking into using the money back promise as just over half way through the large tub and horse seems stiffer than with the cortavet liquid.
This brings me onto the next issue, I am wondering if this deterioration is due to the powder being less available than the liquid.
Lots of questions I know but if anyone can point me towards some research it would be most appreciated
 
wingedhorse said:
MillionDollar that is just plain wrong. I speak as someone who has worked as a scientist, and has a biochemistry degree, and who has looked fairly extensively into this.

The Aviform glucosamine and the NSJ glucosamine are identical. They are the same chemical compound.

Both are glucosamine HCl at 99% purity. Both are identical chemical compounds. Interchangeable. Both have independent purity certificates to back up their contents

If you fed 10gms with both you would be feeding slightly less than 10gms of glucosamine as both are 99% purity not 100%.

10gms of NSJ and 10gms of Aviform glucosamine would give your horse exactly the same amount of glucosamine in exactly the same form.

I repeat NSJ is a very expensive way to buy a simple ingredient. I would buy glucosamine from a cheaper source, as long as it is Glucosamine HCl (not sulphate or another form) and is 99% purity, and you can see an independent purity analysis certificate (or you trust the source e.g. your own vet).
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Not true, it's been tested and the molecules are simply too big to be absorbed. I don't EVERYTHING but a very good friend of mine did all the research for a large company with many other scientists, etc. Other companies just can't inform people of this as they'd be sued.
 
wingedhorse said:
What is the active ingredients in vetroflex? What purity and how much do you feed a day?[/


What is Vetroflex®?
Vetroflex® is a 100% natural proprietary formulation using SOBF® (Specially Optimised Bioavailable Formula) technology. It contains a peptide blend of hydrolysed collagen, or ‘collagen hydrolysate’, which has been found to accumulate around the body’s joints when ingested and supports the regeneration of cartilage in the body1.

Unlike traditional joint supplements such as glucosamine and chondroitin which lack compelling evidence for their use in supporting joint comfort and mobility2-4, Vetroflex® has proven efficacy in this setting5,6.

By supporting these metabolic processes, the effect on joints is profound. This represents a completely new approach to managing joint comfort.
Collagen provides the structural matrix component of connective tissue such as cartilage, bone, ligaments and tendons7. Maintaining collagen concentrations in these structures is vital to ensuring healthy functioning joints.
When the body cannot regenerate collagen fast enough to keep up with the amount of wear-and-tear on the joint, the cartilage can break down.
Once the cartilage is destroyed, the joint loses its ability to cushion the bones, stay elastic and to absorb shock from physical impact and this results in stiffness and discomfort (figure 1).
The unique effect on cartilage metabolism provided by Vetroflex® presents a revolutionary technique for promoting joint health in horses and other animals. The ingredients in Vetroflex® have been shown to provide significant joint health advantages to humans5 and dogs6

I don't know how strong it is as its not like the glucosamine products where you can compare. I do know that cortavet has a lot of filler
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Re the molecule business - how is that possible? Molecules are molecules, whatever the source. Now, there is some question about some of these substances being bioavailable to horses whatever the source, let alone effective, but that's a different conversation.

My personal experience is that different things work for different horses but I'm not holding my breath for definitive studies.
 
If I understand correctly, Vetrofen is basically a HA supplement.

Key issue, is some studies say this can not be absorbed in the gut. It is very successful in intra articular injections.

There have been a couple of posts on HHO, stating that owners of horses with sarcoids have taken their horses off vetrofen/flex (can not remember which) as the sarcoids started to grow. They said they have reported this to manufacturers.
 
djlynwood said:
I had read somewhere that MSM is needed along side glucosamine in order for it work.

Did I imagine it or does someone else know about this?
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Hi,

My understanding is that MSM does nothing to help the uptake or utilisation of glucosamine.

I think there is some claim that *chondroitin* and *glucosamine* work together and feeding chondroitin alone doesn’t work (not certain of details).

MSM is generally used for soft tissue / muscle / ligament issues.
Glucosamine (and chondroitin) for join issues.

I can see a logic to feeding both e g. for arthritis.

Aviform sell:
Unbranded glucosamine
Supplease = glucosamine and MSM
Supplease Gold = glucosamine, MSM, chondroitin and Hyluronic acid

Not sure if that is where the confusion comes from.
 
MSM is a free radical scavenger and there have actually been a couple of studies suggesting it helps with inflammation.

Keep in mind that there is little impetus to study any of these products objectively. If they are proven to have pharmaceutical effects that will open them to regulation. People buy the stuff now, having them further regulated is unlikely to help sales!

This is also why the wording is so vague - if the claims were more concrete they'd have to pay to prove them.

This is not to say they don't - or do - work, just that you shouldn't hold your breath for proof. ;)
 
Great thread!

I always believed (please correct me if I'm wrong) that Glucosamine molecules found in joint supplements were not easy for the horse to absorb as they are too large?

Also has anyone used Maxavita's green lipped mussel extract supplement? My vet flagged this up as an interesting new one to try, with some research being done on it I think..

ETA- I wish that some independent research would be carried out! The joint supplement market is HUGE and it's so difficult to weed your way through most of the supplements before actually being able to make a decision about how effective different supplements may be.
 
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