Next doors dog being a pain again :( What else can I try?!

What about the neigbours upsetting her ? so you would be quite happy to let neighbours or their pets walk all over you ?

And it is to do with horses so why should the post be moved?
 
Gingerwitch said:
What about the neigbours upsetting her ? so you would be quite happy to let neighbours or their pets walk all over you ?

And it is to do with horses so why should the post be moved?
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It is related vaguely to horses. It is about a dog whose owners seem nice enough but aren't managing their pet to the OP's satisfaction.

And I talk to my neighbours when there is an issue, just as they talk to me.

As I said, this is getting out of hand, and you seem to be taking it personally. I am sorry you feel this way about the matter. Shall we let it drop now and not derail the thread?
 
There's this amazing invention that's been around for years. It's called a 'dog run'.
You can even put flags on the floor and put drainage in and put a roof on the top.
Some human beings have some sort of problem with them, because they cost a bit of money to erect and some see them like a 'cage'.
I see them as a pretty failsafe way for a dog to live on a property, be outside, see what is going on around it, feel fresh air, and be safe from cars, livestock/angry farmers and thieves, at times when the dog cannot be supervised. Maybe you could take some brochures round? There are a couple of companies which do flatpack runs which can be erected in minutes.
 
I would think constant friendly texts from you would be more annoying and likely to cause action than anything else - "X is out again, nearly hit by a car, thought you should know" "X is out again, horse nearly kicked him so shut in stable til you can collect" "Just to let you know saw X bothering some walkers :)"
 
pennyturner said:
This may be the case. Equally, they may be trying to train it to the boundaries, or keep it in the house with limited success. I'd try to keep them friendly in any event. It's horrible to have tension between neighbours, and a roaming dog (so long as it isn't vicious or killing livestock) doesn't seem worth aggro to me.

You may be able to work with them. For example, if you shut it in an outbuilding every time it turns up at your place, and text the neighbour, this would train the dog not to come to yours (dog works out it gets deprived of liberty), and provides an incentive to the neighbour to do whatever's in their power to prevent the embarassment and inconvenience. Combined with a coffee and a chat when they come over, this could be civilised.

Incidentally, my setter still 'auto-punishes' herself by going and sitting in the downstairs toilet when she thinks she's done wrong :)
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Sorry, that is not the impression I have got reading the OP. Irresponsible dog owner allows dog to roam neighbours properties and road by itself for hours at a time - people who cannot be bothered to train their dogs, or do not care that they are loose on a road for hours on end should not own dogs.

I would be having serious words with them, I can't stand people who can't face their own responsibilities.
 
Arizahn said:
It is related vaguely to horses. It is about a dog whose owners seem nice enough but aren't managing their pet to the OP's satisfaction.

And I talk to my neighbours when there is an issue, just as they talk to me.

As I said, this is getting out of hand, and you seem to be taking it personally. I am sorry you feel this way about the matter. Shall we let it drop now and not derail the thread?
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Fine - but if you have ever been on the receiving end of a dog ripping several hens and ducks apart and a dog bringing one of your horses down on an icy field by jumping up at is belly, and having stelth dogs suddenly appear in your school as you have just stared to back your young horse and the owners all just laugh and say "he wont hurt you, hes only a puppy and wants to play" you do kind of feel sorry for the OP
 
Gingerwitch said:
Well if thats theft the dog on her land is tresspass !

lock it in a stable, phone the police and stuff the ignorant neighbours whom obviously dont give a stuff about upsetting you, letting harm come to you whilst leading your horses, or your toddler child for that matter. As a last resort get a few hens and then you can shoot the thing and say it was bothering your animals. If you want to be nice the police will come and take the dog if you phone them and say it has been bothering your horses
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Wow - I'm glad I don't have you as a neighbour - you sound 3 parts mental!
The above post is incitement to theft and criminal damage - you should remove it.
 
I would chain it up and wait for owners to come looking for it. When they arrive simply say it was worrying your animals and you secured it for its own safety and that of your animals. Keep doing it until the owners twig you are not happy.

My ex would just shoot it and stuff some wool in its mouth.
 
CaveCanem said:
There's this amazing invention that's been around for years. It's called a 'dog run'.
You can even put flags on the floor and put drainage in and put a roof on the top.
Some human beings have some sort of problem with them, because they cost a bit of money to erect and some see them like a 'cage'.
I see them as a pretty failsafe way for a dog to live on a property, be outside, see what is going on around it, feel fresh air, and be safe from cars, livestock/angry farmers and thieves, at times when the dog cannot be supervised. Maybe you could take some brochures round? There are a couple of companies which do flatpack runs which can be erected in minutes.
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This is the traditional country way of keeping working dogs, but surely not all dogs are suited to being kept away from the family in an outside run. They just need to train and supervise the dog, not put it in solitary!
 
pennyturner said:
Wow - I'm glad I don't have you as a neighbour - you sound 3 parts mental!
The above post is incitement to theft and criminal damage - you should remove it.
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I am a fab neighbour as long as your dog keeps off my property :)

How is taking a dog to a police station theft ? and how is shooting a dog on your land criminal damage ?
 
Having a dog run does not mean the dog is never in the house with it's family.

At this moment in time, the dog IS solitary, on it's own, wandering into other people's property. It is not with its family either, they are expecting it to entertain itself.
Why not pop it in a run with a bone or a toy, in sight of the house, rather than risk it being shot, splatted or stolen. I consider it crueller to let a dog roam and get into trouble than it is to pop it into a secure area.

When my dog is not being trained or exercised and when he is not with me, if he is not in the house, he is in a dog run. I can see him out the kitchen window.
All of our dogs have been family dogs/pets and they have all spent time in a dog run with no ill effects.
You cannot train a dog to do anything if you are not there with it.
 
Where I keep my horses, their neighbours dogs were always left to roam (great big hairy GSDs). They were actually chasing my dog as a pack in the field and jumping at my children and I, but by doing so were also scaring my older horse. After eventually catching their attention, I took them back and told a little white lie that they were actually chasing my horses and nipping their back legs, so was I worried they would get hurt and therefore it might be best if they kept an eye on them

They took it well, were horrified their dogs were chasing my horses and have kept them away (in fact made a pen for them using builders metal fencing). When we bump into each other, there are no hard feelings and we have a good old chat :)
 
well it seems to spend a fair amount of time wandering about on it's own away from the family anyway though so if it isn't inside for whatever reason it can be kept securely.
 
CaveCanem said:
Having a dog run does not mean the dog is never in the house with it's family.

At this moment in time, the dog IS solitary, on it's own, wandering into other people's property. It is not with its family either, they are expecting it to entertain itself.
Why not pop it in a run with a bone or a toy, in sight of the house, rather than risk it being shot, splatted or stolen. I consider it crueller to let a dog roam and get into trouble than it is to pop it into a secure area.

When my dog is not being trained or exercised and when he is not with me, if he is not in the house, he is in a dog run. I can see him out the kitchen window.
All of our dogs have been family dogs/pets and they have all spent time in a dog run with no ill effects.
You cannot train a dog to do anything if you are not there with it.
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See a responsible dog owner, taking care of their pets, and not expecting to allow their dog to wonder all over other peoples property - you see if CC's dog got on to my land, I would happily return said dog with a smile on my face -as it would be a one off.
 
twiggy2 said:
catch it and call the dog warden, they will have to pay to get it back, i understand not wanting to upset the nieghbours but either the dog is a problem or it is not
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This. It's the only way. Hit them in the pocket. No excuse that they can't keep in contained. They can with a bit of effort and should.
 
MagicMelon said:
I've posted about this before but now that I've moved two of my horses in a few days ago, I feel this is really going to become a problem now.

We live rurally and have one neighbour about 1/4 mile away, the neighbours are really nice and we get on well with them and of course I'd like to keep it that way (especially as we are the only ones visible to each other so we sort of keep an eye on each others houses etc.). But their free range dog has been pretty annoying since we moved in by coming over visiting whenever it feels like it and running about on the road. A friend and my other half has nearly hit it on their motorbikes, it frequently comes over and poos on my front lawn, has jumped into our back garden and encouraged our young dog to escape with it - to the point we have now paid £300 to fence in our back patio so it can't interfere with ours, and it is often out in the evening which scares the life out of me (and my toddler son) when I get out of my car in the dark as this dog is huge yet somehow silent on approach, and we've frequently had passers by stop at our house holding her asking if she's ours.

They say they can't fence it in because its a huge dog and can jump any fence, but surely an electric fence would? Their garden isn't fenced at all, they do walk it twice a day but when they let it out for a pee it often just wonders off and can be gone hours! We're surrounded by fields with sheep in currently but this dog doesn't seem to go into the fields that I've seen so the farmers don't seem bothered by it.

Last night I went out to bring my horses in, in the dark, and who comes bounding up the track by my field but the dog - scared the life out of me and the horses. I've said numerous times to the neighbours about the dog causing problems but they just keep saying it cant be fenced in and they'll try to keep a closer eye on it but that clearly doesn't work. I'm going to be backing one of the horses soon and I don't want the worry of the dog rushing up and down the fenceline just as I get on or something! It wouldn't be so bad if you could hear it coming but it genuinely is some sort of stealth dog, you turn round and its there. Any ideas? I've tried shouting at the dog so it knows its not welcome here but it doesn't work and I can't report it or that'd cause upset to the neighbours :( Help?!
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Report it to the council, or call dog warden.
 
pennyturner said:
Perhaps an electric fence at dog height around your property would be a relatively cheap way of persuading the dog that your property is out of bounds. On the other hand, it's no bad thing to have a doggie burglar alarm patrolling the grounds.
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The thing is I've already spent £300 putting up a fence to stop it bothering my own dog and cats. I already have electric tape running along the top of my paddock but the dog doesn't actually come into the field (that Ive seen anyway), its the running up and down my drive and the road (and my back garden) beside the field fence that is annoying and scaring my horses. I also dont feel I should had to have fenced in by patio for example to keep the other dog away from my other animals. I've had to pay for a fence to keep their dog out, shouldn't it be the other way round? I definately don't need a dog patrolling my grounds since I already have a dog.

humblepie said:
Given that nearly ran dog over, is there any mileage in the approach of for the dog's safety rather than that it is annoying, so perhaps that a horse nearly stood on it/kicked it something along those lines and that you are concerned about the dog getting hurt.
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I've tried that :( I very nearly ran it over a few weeks ago when it ran out in front of me coming into my own driveway, I told them but again they don't seem concerned.

paddi22 said:
could you explain the situation about backing the young horse and the risk with the dog, and say it's absolutely not something you can risk, and unless the dog is tethered/kept in a run, then they need to pay for electric fencing or some kind of deterrent around your place (since they won't do their own property). I'd research an option you think would be best and present it to them as either a 'do this' or 'tether it/make a proper run'
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Tried this too. I've told them twice that I cant have the dog spooking my horses as one is lame so I dont want him running about for a start and I said I would be backing the other horse. I've made suggestions a few times about deer fencing their garden with electric along the top or something but they just keep saying that no fence will keep it in even though I see no attempt of one ever being tried as their garden is completely open. :(
 
In that case, I would take to nearest vets and say you nearly knocked it down and have no idea who it belongs to. I don't know any vets who won't take the dog in and usually they have the dog warden on speed dial :)
 
I'm a firm believer in sorting out issues like these as adults without involving authorities. Hence my earlier posts. No way would I involve local authority dog wardens or police in a dispute I could resolve myself. Personally I think I would put up with quite a lot to keep the peace with the neighbours, however...

If you really can't get through to them, you can obtain an injunction to prevent them allowing their dog onto your land. This is the correct legal remedy, but it will cost both sides, and you'll lose any good will you have between you, and you'll have to declare it if you try to sell your house.
 
Could you get an independent third party/friend to take it to the dog pound/warden and say they found it wandering on the road. That way the neighbours have to fetch it and you won't be implicated in a way that might cause a rift between you and them. A bit subversive I know but it might give them pause to think about containment options.
 
Dog wardens are council employees who's job it is to impound stray or unwanted dogs. The dog is straying. There are court cases in the local papers all the time where people have been fined for letting dogs stray. If they don't want it to go that far, can rock up to the pound and collect the dog for a small fee or it will be rehomed or it will be put to sleep (within a certain time frame obviously). That's what the council services are there for/what they are supposed to do.
 
Poor dog,sounds as if it's looking for some companionship and something to occupy it and unfortunately for you,there's obviously fun stuff to see and do around your house!
I would hope that these owners do genuinely care for their dog (does it get shown love and affection and training at home,when it's inside,I wonder or do they really just turf it out & forget about it?) but if not (and it seems their disinterest in its day to day wellbeing & whereabouts would suggest otherwise) ending up somewhere where it could be rehomed to someone who might give it the attention it needs may be no bad thing.:(
 
I really don't see the problem with contacting the dog warden. The OP has already mentioned the problem several times to the dog owner, the owner seems to be making no attempts at all to stop the dog wandering, and the dog is in danger of being involved in an accident. I suspect dog wardens in different parts of the country work in different ways, but I understand that our local dog warden visited the owners of the loose dogs, explained the possible consequences and outlined ways to keep the dogs in. A freedom fence was swiftly erected and the dogs haven't been a problem since. I do agree with CC that a dog run for when the dog is outside and can't be supervised would be an obvious solution to the problem.

Nobody minds a dog occasionally getting loose and when I've come across such incidences I've secured the dog and found the owner and returned the animal. However, when an animal is repeatedly loose, with no precautions seeming to be taken, then I can understand why people want to take action.
 
Perhaps err ,encourage a friend they don't know to catch it and take it to the dog warden if they find out you took it it willbe the end of your friendship.
Personally I would ignore it , it will get run over in the end poor dog .
Electric fences are useless against dogs that jump.
However you might suggest to them a freedom fence which was very effective cure for our wanderer .
 
Can you not just keep taking it back, every single time and present it to them, repeating yourself that it cannot be allowed to be bothering your horses. The problem of keeping it in is up to them. They will soon get fed up if you keep doing it.
 
I don't think the OP wants to damage an otherwise good relationship with her only neighbours, especially as they keep an eye on each other's houses etc and seem to be fairly isolated. Talk of calling the dog warden, police or even shooting the dog are not really conducive to good neighbourly relations! I'm sure it won't take your neighbours long to work out who was involved!

i agree with the other suggestion, next time you see dog loose put him in an outbuilding or stable and insist on neighbours coming with a lead to take him home.

A constant barrage of texts about dog's unruly behaviour (out if concern for the dog) is also a more sensitive way to deal with the problem.

A Collar with hi viz or lights is also a good idea, could you ask for a bell to be put on it so you can hear him coming?
 
ridefast said:
I would think constant friendly texts from you would be more annoying and likely to cause action than anything else - "X is out again, nearly hit by a car, thought you should know" "X is out again, horse nearly kicked him so shut in stable til you can collect" "Just to let you know saw X bothering some walkers :)"
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Yeah, this is what I do all the time :( But they just answer the same way "oh I'll keep a closer eye on her".

Chickens etc. won't work as they have some and the dog doesn't bother with them. The dog follows walkers and cyclists too, a few months ago I had a young teenager at my door saying he'd cycled past and she'd followed him 3 miles back to his house and he didn't know what to do with her so had to cycle all the way back to return her! I did call the neighbour and she just told me to pop her back in their house as they were out. As some have suggested - taking her back to the house every time she comes over isn't very practical as I always have my toddler with me so it means walking her over by the collar whist trying to carry my son (after having to get him dressed up to go outside). They do look after the dog, I guess because the dogs done it for the past few years then they're just used to it - but the previous house owner here didn't have any animals so it didn't bother him.

I would never cause harm to the dog, of course not. Just as I'd hate to see it run over, and one of my fears is that I accidentally do so! I just don't feel I should have to put up with her visits when I keep my own dog (a puppy too) totally under control at all times, and I'm genuinely getting irritated by being scared to death in the dark meeting this massive dog suddenly. My toddler will be around when I'm doing the horses and I worry about this if the dog is rushing about, not that its aggressive (its actually perfectly nice) but it can jump up (it is then bigger than me...) so it could actually hurt him just by flooring him. And again, I have a horse to back, the LAST thing I need is to worry about the dog charging out from the nearby forest chasing a rabbit or something. The thought of ever hacking makes me feel pretty sick too, if it chases cyclists...
 
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You could try and come to some sort of compromise with the neighbours whereby it is agreed that the dog is shut inside (or in a stable) whilst you are riding. Then you will have the peace of mind to know that it will not leap out whilst you are backing the youngster. It could then be let out once you have finished.

It is a difficult situation to be in, as you have a genuine grievance but the last thing you want is to have a complete fall out with the neighbours. A compromise is generally the best way to a resolution.

I would not recommend lying to a vet/dog warden as some on here have suggested.
 
I'd write them a note. You express yourself very rationally and calmly on here - write everything you've put on here down and pop it through the letter box. It needn't be officious or formal, just a friendly note explaining why you're so worried (it's much easier to get it all out if it's not a two wayt conversation) and asking them to do something. Sometimes seeing it written down is enough to jolt people into action. If that doesn't work, as others have suggested, enlist the help of a friend to take the dog to the pound or a local vets.
 
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