lucretia
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PMSL!!
NEXT WEEKS HORSE PEOPLE
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Pixxie
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ff seriously it was showing an honest representation of the way people live their lives, and im fairly sure that 'non horsey people' will nor form a view that horses are beaten and treated cruelly and thats all and if they do, they are incredibly ignorant. this whole mention of the Laura Renwick situation is almost irrelavent and i know ill be told off by many of you for this but i was at olympia second row back when this happened and the horse did stop for no reason whatsoever was perfectly set up etc. i am not condoning her behaviour as i think it was entirely innappropriate considering the nature of the event, i can however understand her frustration at the time although it is not an excuse, but then again how is it any different to the way jockeys use their whip in a race?
but back on topic, if you dont want to accept the way people live in this world and society in order to live. dont watch.
hindu's i am sure do not like the amount of cows we slaughter, they would be very hurt and upset as they consider cows to be sacred. but accept it is the way we live. why cant we offer others the same respect just because it is an animal close to our hearts?
whilst i dont think the means of killing the mare were particularly humane, it is what they have available etc
rant i know but this whole situation is winding me up
but back on topic, if you dont want to accept the way people live in this world and society in order to live. dont watch.
hindu's i am sure do not like the amount of cows we slaughter, they would be very hurt and upset as they consider cows to be sacred. but accept it is the way we live. why cant we offer others the same respect just because it is an animal close to our hearts?
whilst i dont think the means of killing the mare were particularly humane, it is what they have available etc
rant i know but this whole situation is winding me up
pinktiger
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ff seriously it was showing an honest representation of the way people live their lives, and im fairly sure that 'non horsey people' will nor form a view that horses are beaten and treated cruelly and thats all and if they do, they are incredibly ignorant. this whole mention of the Laura Renwick situation is almost irrelavent and i know ill be told off by many of you for this but i was at olympia second row back when this happened and the horse did stop for no reason whatsoever was perfectly set up etc. i am not condoning her behaviour as i think it was entirely innappropriate considering the nature of the event, i can however understand her frustration at the time although it is not an excuse, but then again how is it any different to the way jockeys use their whip in a race?
but back on topic, if you dont want to accept the way people live in this world and society in order to live. dont watch.
hindu's i am sure do not like the amount of cows we slaughter, they would be very hurt and upset as they consider cows to be sacred. but accept it is the way we live. why cant we offer others the same respect just because it is an animal close to our hearts?
whilst i dont think the means of killing the mare were particularly humane, it is what they have available etc
rant i know but this whole situation is winding me up
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please try and not get wound up,,,
thats the point of an opnion based forum and if you dont like other opinions then praps an opinion based forum isnt for you!!! As its human nature (as you so beautifully put it) for these people to live as they do, it is the nature of 'some' not to like it, and be a little shocked by it!!!! Ignorance isnt always a one sided sword!!!
ff seriously it was showing an honest representation of the way people live their lives, and im fairly sure that 'non horsey people' will nor form a view that horses are beaten and treated cruelly and thats all and if they do, they are incredibly ignorant. this whole mention of the Laura Renwick situation is almost irrelavent and i know ill be told off by many of you for this but i was at olympia second row back when this happened and the horse did stop for no reason whatsoever was perfectly set up etc. i am not condoning her behaviour as i think it was entirely innappropriate considering the nature of the event, i can however understand her frustration at the time although it is not an excuse, but then again how is it any different to the way jockeys use their whip in a race?
but back on topic, if you dont want to accept the way people live in this world and society in order to live. dont watch.
hindu's i am sure do not like the amount of cows we slaughter, they would be very hurt and upset as they consider cows to be sacred. but accept it is the way we live. why cant we offer others the same respect just because it is an animal close to our hearts?
whilst i dont think the means of killing the mare were particularly humane, it is what they have available etc
rant i know but this whole situation is winding me up
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please try and not get wound up,,,
stencilface
High upon a hillside
I will watch the one next week, for the horses though. I will not be watching any of the bullfighting, as imo it is barbaric, has no purpose except entertainment, and can only lead me to believe that the people who bay for a fighting bulls blood are just a bit tapped quite frankly.
Slaughtering the horse was horrid horrid horrid, and I really don't think its necessary, but bullfighting imo is 1000x times more cruel, as it is done for entertainment and sport, not something that can be said for the killing of the mare, fox hunting or any other animal killing processes
If that makes me a bunny hugger then so be it, although I think I am more of a bunny basher, as always want to try and help the mxy rabbits on their way, plus rabbits are evil - as shown in Monty pythons Holy Grail.
Slaughtering the horse was horrid horrid horrid, and I really don't think its necessary, but bullfighting imo is 1000x times more cruel, as it is done for entertainment and sport, not something that can be said for the killing of the mare, fox hunting or any other animal killing processes
If that makes me a bunny hugger then so be it, although I think I am more of a bunny basher, as always want to try and help the mxy rabbits on their way, plus rabbits are evil - as shown in Monty pythons Holy Grail.
girla
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I watched the programme on iplayer today in my lunch hour, and found it very interesting to see how people depend on the horse totally. The slaughter of the mare wasn't pleasant to watch 'but' necessary (sp) they spoke of her highly even though she was slaughtered. I truly do think that whilst these horses are living they do there upmost to make sure they are taken care off, and i think that is all we can do for all our animals in any way that is within our means.
hellsdarkrose
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It is a strange title for a show though, to me its more of a natural world / cultural type documentary rather than ' Horse People' which to me infers a profile of an individual each week. Either way I won't be watching it.
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It's a cultural documentary about Horse People i.e. people who look after/rely on horses as a way of life.
It is a strange title for a show though, to me its more of a natural world / cultural type documentary rather than ' Horse People' which to me infers a profile of an individual each week. Either way I won't be watching it.
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It's a cultural documentary about Horse People i.e. people who look after/rely on horses as a way of life.
Quadro
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i think it was interesting and informative and although the slaughter of the mare was not pleasant it was part of their way of life which after all was what the show was about, but i dont see why if they have cars and tv's they dont have guns?
Beanyowner
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Personally I find it very interesting learning about other cultures...especially within the equestrian world as this is also a keen interest. Although I may find some scnes upsetting I can't even imagine complaining to the BBC about it...whats the point...get the BBC to hide all the nasty bits so the world ends up all fluffy and no one has a clue what actually goes on.......or am I one of the few who actually likes to expand my knowledge??
ladyt25
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I'll be interested to see the threads about this after the next instalment - see if the Beeb show the reality of bullfighting (or as i feel bull 'torturing' would be a more appropriate word).
Killing for necessity (ie food) is one thing, killing for pleasure? Hmm, not sure there is an argument for that really.
I also wonder if the show was about dogs and man and their relationship as opposed to horses, and following the different cultures, whether the BBC would feel it was approprite to show dogs in China being skinnned alive for their fur or being killed and served up on dinner plates in Vietnam (as seen on the "could you eat at elephant" show or whatever that was?). Just a thought.
Killing for necessity (ie food) is one thing, killing for pleasure? Hmm, not sure there is an argument for that really.
I also wonder if the show was about dogs and man and their relationship as opposed to horses, and following the different cultures, whether the BBC would feel it was approprite to show dogs in China being skinnned alive for their fur or being killed and served up on dinner plates in Vietnam (as seen on the "could you eat at elephant" show or whatever that was?). Just a thought.
Erehwemos
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I was shocked by Wednesday's episode, but I have a sincere feeling that next week's will be even worse. Of course, 'bull fighting' includes a bull (obviously) but I dont think people really have any concept of how horrific injuries sustained by the horses are, too.
Did you know, they blinker them on the side that the bull will approach, so that they cannot anticipate the charge?
This week's was shocking because the method of killing did not seem synonymous with the gentle approach with which we had seen the animals reared and handled. Next week's, I fear, will be an expose of pure cruelty
But hey, it's their 'culture' - so we're not allowed to criticise, are we
Did you know, they blinker them on the side that the bull will approach, so that they cannot anticipate the charge?
This week's was shocking because the method of killing did not seem synonymous with the gentle approach with which we had seen the animals reared and handled. Next week's, I fear, will be an expose of pure cruelty
But hey, it's their 'culture' - so we're not allowed to criticise, are we
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
My father was discussing this yesterday and remembers the 'pole-axing' of cattle, his comment about the mare was that he couldn't understand why they did not do the deed in the same way that cattle used to be killed, with their heads fastened down to a ring to keep them still and then bopped on the head to kill them. I think the comment about town versus country is probably right, those of us who have grown up with the reality of life and death in the countryside are less likely to be overly upset by the death of this mare. I do however get very wound up about the BBC showing the deaths of many fish, calously treated and suffocating to death, at 7pm on weekday evenings!
Erehwemos
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I think the comment about town versus country is probably right, those of us who have grown up with the reality of life and death in the countryside are less likely to be overly upset by the death of this mare.
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I dont think I agree with that. I've grown up in the country; I've lived on two farms and had numerous farming friends; the slaughter of cattle, shooting of dairy bull calves, deaths of various horses/dogs/cats/guinea pigs etc have always been a reality for me. But I was very, very upset by the death of that mare. Not because I disagreed with her killing, or with the fact that she was a meat animal - but because in my eyes, that method was NOT humane. I have no problem with any animal being killed, as long as their death is meaningful and serves a purpose (which the mare's did) and is as humane and quick as possible (which the mare's was not).
I became just as upset last year when our landlords had an old cow who needed to be put down. She had broken her back after having got stuck in the dairy, but had the misfortune to do it on a Friday night so she couldnt be collected by the knacker man. They scooped her up in the JCB and dumped her in the field next to Ellie's paddock. She was fully conscious, in pain and very frightened, but rather than get the vet out to PTS, they left her there until the Monday, with no food or water. If I had not walked across with a bucket and a wedge of Ellie's hay, she would have been starving and thirsty for over 72 hours until they finally got someone out to dispatch her
I dont think it has anything to do with town vs. country. It just has to do with compassion.
I think the comment about town versus country is probably right, those of us who have grown up with the reality of life and death in the countryside are less likely to be overly upset by the death of this mare.
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I dont think I agree with that. I've grown up in the country; I've lived on two farms and had numerous farming friends; the slaughter of cattle, shooting of dairy bull calves, deaths of various horses/dogs/cats/guinea pigs etc have always been a reality for me. But I was very, very upset by the death of that mare. Not because I disagreed with her killing, or with the fact that she was a meat animal - but because in my eyes, that method was NOT humane. I have no problem with any animal being killed, as long as their death is meaningful and serves a purpose (which the mare's did) and is as humane and quick as possible (which the mare's was not).
I became just as upset last year when our landlords had an old cow who needed to be put down. She had broken her back after having got stuck in the dairy, but had the misfortune to do it on a Friday night so she couldnt be collected by the knacker man. They scooped her up in the JCB and dumped her in the field next to Ellie's paddock. She was fully conscious, in pain and very frightened, but rather than get the vet out to PTS, they left her there until the Monday, with no food or water. If I had not walked across with a bucket and a wedge of Ellie's hay, she would have been starving and thirsty for over 72 hours until they finally got someone out to dispatch her
I dont think it has anything to do with town vs. country. It just has to do with compassion.
spaniel
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I dont suppose there is a lot of strength in snow. A tie ring on the ground doesnt sound very feasible really.
The way the mare was slaughtered actually wasn that different to the method your father suggests. The pole replaced the ring as a method of restraint.
The way the mare was slaughtered actually wasn that different to the method your father suggests. The pole replaced the ring as a method of restraint.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
No not vastly different in the end, just the strangulation which could have been avoided perhaps?
lauraanddolly
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Next weeks program sounds interesting.
I have to admit that I saw what was coming on last nights one
(with the mare) and turned over - I know it happens and I know why it happens but compared to how we(uk) kill our animals for meat it would have been horrific to watch for the majority of viewers, me included - if that makes me a bunny hugger then so be it - I just don't need that sort of education in my life.
I have to admit that I saw what was coming on last nights one
(with the mare) and turned over - I know it happens and I know why it happens but compared to how we(uk) kill our animals for meat it would have been horrific to watch for the majority of viewers, me included - if that makes me a bunny hugger then so be it - I just don't need that sort of education in my life.
hellybelly6
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I shan't be watching any more of those programmes. I am still traumatised by this week's one.
SirenaXVI
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I am looking forward to next week's eposode (for obvious reasons). Regarding bullfighting, I have to say I cannot stomach that, I am a firm believer of not dissing what you have no experience of, so whilst in spain on a horse spotting foray, I watched a video - I was sickened and not so much by the treatment of the bull, it was the crowd reaction that still makes me feel sick when I think about it. What I do know is that the bulls are treated like kings prior to entering the bullring.
As for this week's eposode, I found it fascinating, they really did love their horses and gave them the best care they could. I do think they had to show the slaughter of the mare, it was integral to the whole story, however, I found it very upsetting and although I realise that this was the only way for them, I do wish a more humane way could be found, even a captive bolt would have been ten times more humane than the blunt end of an axe.
I don't for one minute believe that this series will show horse people in a bad light and have never heard anything so preposterous in all my life!
Who's going to be the first to call ME a bunnyhugger
As for this week's eposode, I found it fascinating, they really did love their horses and gave them the best care they could. I do think they had to show the slaughter of the mare, it was integral to the whole story, however, I found it very upsetting and although I realise that this was the only way for them, I do wish a more humane way could be found, even a captive bolt would have been ten times more humane than the blunt end of an axe.
I don't for one minute believe that this series will show horse people in a bad light and have never heard anything so preposterous in all my life!
Who's going to be the first to call ME a bunnyhugger
SirenaXVI
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I was shocked by Wednesday's episode, but I have a sincere feeling that next week's will be even worse. Of course, 'bull fighting' includes a bull (obviously) but I dont think people really have any concept of how horrific injuries sustained by the horses are, too.
Did you know, they blinker them on the side that the bull will approach, so that they cannot anticipate the charge?
This week's was shocking because the method of killing did not seem synonymous with the gentle approach with which we had seen the animals reared and handled. Next week's, I fear, will be an expose of pure cruelty
But hey, it's their 'culture' - so we're not allowed to criticise, are we
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Miss Elz, you are obviously very young and although also eloquent, you do really need to use facts rather than hearsay in your arguments, this is something you will learn as you get older.
I am totally against bullfighting btw, but my opinion is based on facts seen with my own eyes.
I was shocked by Wednesday's episode, but I have a sincere feeling that next week's will be even worse. Of course, 'bull fighting' includes a bull (obviously) but I dont think people really have any concept of how horrific injuries sustained by the horses are, too.
Did you know, they blinker them on the side that the bull will approach, so that they cannot anticipate the charge?
This week's was shocking because the method of killing did not seem synonymous with the gentle approach with which we had seen the animals reared and handled. Next week's, I fear, will be an expose of pure cruelty
But hey, it's their 'culture' - so we're not allowed to criticise, are we
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Miss Elz, you are obviously very young and although also eloquent, you do really need to use facts rather than hearsay in your arguments, this is something you will learn as you get older.
I am totally against bullfighting btw, but my opinion is based on facts seen with my own eyes.
Erehwemos
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Miss Elz, you are obviously very young and although also eloquent, you do really need to use facts rather than hearsay in your arguments, this is something you will learn as you get older.
I am totally against bullfighting btw, but my opinion is based on facts seen with my own eyes.
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Hang on a moment, I think that is a bit out of order
How do you know that I have not seen it with my own eyes, too? I make a point of not passing judgement on anything unless I have seen it - hence why I have forced myself to view things such as dogs being skinned alive in China, horses being slaughtered in Mexico, and last year, the footage released by Animal Aid from Potters here in the UK. I do not like to condemn until I have understood the issue to the best of my ability, and bull fighting is no different. My comments above were made in light of what I, personally, have seen - and on the experience of a close friend who one day forced herself to go to a bull fight, solely because she wanted to know the truth about what went on.
Miss Elz, you are obviously very young and although also eloquent, you do really need to use facts rather than hearsay in your arguments, this is something you will learn as you get older.
I am totally against bullfighting btw, but my opinion is based on facts seen with my own eyes.
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Hang on a moment, I think that is a bit out of order
How do you know that I have not seen it with my own eyes, too? I make a point of not passing judgement on anything unless I have seen it - hence why I have forced myself to view things such as dogs being skinned alive in China, horses being slaughtered in Mexico, and last year, the footage released by Animal Aid from Potters here in the UK. I do not like to condemn until I have understood the issue to the best of my ability, and bull fighting is no different. My comments above were made in light of what I, personally, have seen - and on the experience of a close friend who one day forced herself to go to a bull fight, solely because she wanted to know the truth about what went on.
SirenaXVI
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I refer to your comment about blinkering the bullfighting horses
As I thought, you have not seen this with your own eyes but are instead relying on heresay
I rest my case
As I thought, you have not seen this with your own eyes but are instead relying on heresay
I rest my case
keeperscottage
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I've only just read this thread and didn't watch the TV progamme but I'm responding to YorksG's post. I'm the biggest "bunny hugger" ever - I don't eat any red meat and my daughter is totally veggie (although she hunts and used to beat on shoots). However, I remember my father (who was born in 1897 and fought in the First World War....he was 58 when I was born!!!) telling me how his father, who owned 200 (yes TWO HUNDRED) horses (they were dray horses and he used to rent them out in a sort of Victorian "Budget Car Rent a Horse" type scenario) used to "dispatch" them.....my father, as a child, would sit on their necks, lowering their head to the ground, whilst his father would bring an axe down on them. Like I said, I'm a total "bunny hugger" but scenes similar to the Siberian TV programme were actually carried out in this country not that long ago.
Erehwemos
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I refer to your comment about blinkering the bullfighting horses
As I thought, you have not seen this with your own eyes but are instead relying on heresay
I rest my case
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How dare you!!!!
Do you happen to be an expert on every method and technique involved in bullfighting? Do you have evidence to suggest that the things I have researched, and that my friend has seen with her own eyes, were, in fact, a one off?
I doubt it....so please, keep your patronising, self righteous comments to yourself
I refer to your comment about blinkering the bullfighting horses
As I thought, you have not seen this with your own eyes but are instead relying on heresay
I rest my case
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How dare you!!!!
Do you happen to be an expert on every method and technique involved in bullfighting? Do you have evidence to suggest that the things I have researched, and that my friend has seen with her own eyes, were, in fact, a one off?
I doubt it....so please, keep your patronising, self righteous comments to yourself
SirenaXVI
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I refer to your comment about blinkering the bullfighting horses
As I thought, you have not seen this with your own eyes but are instead relying on heresay
I rest my case
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How dare you!!!!
Do you happen to be an expert on every method and technique involved in bullfighting? Do you have evidence to suggest that the things I have researched, and that my friend has seen with her own eyes, were, in fact, a one off?
I doubt it....so please, keep your patronising, self righteous comments to yourself
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The fact is you ARE relying on hearsay and presenting it as truth, and whilst I do not deny that blinkers are ON OCCASION used, when used they are NOT used for the reason you state and they are not as you have inferred always used, this and the reality that you have not seen this with YOUR OWN eyes indicates that you are not in possession of all the facts. So when you present the aforementioned hearsay as fact, yes I very much dare!
I HAVE seen bullfighting with my own eyes, and whilst I abhor it, in my argument against it I would only use facts that I have actually witnessed.
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I refer to your comment about blinkering the bullfighting horses
As I thought, you have not seen this with your own eyes but are instead relying on heresay
I rest my case
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How dare you!!!!
Do you happen to be an expert on every method and technique involved in bullfighting? Do you have evidence to suggest that the things I have researched, and that my friend has seen with her own eyes, were, in fact, a one off?
I doubt it....so please, keep your patronising, self righteous comments to yourself
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The fact is you ARE relying on hearsay and presenting it as truth, and whilst I do not deny that blinkers are ON OCCASION used, when used they are NOT used for the reason you state and they are not as you have inferred always used, this and the reality that you have not seen this with YOUR OWN eyes indicates that you are not in possession of all the facts. So when you present the aforementioned hearsay as fact, yes I very much dare!
I HAVE seen bullfighting with my own eyes, and whilst I abhor it, in my argument against it I would only use facts that I have actually witnessed.
hellybelly6
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I was going to suggest that pole axing would have been a quicker and humane alternative.
Its the 21st centuary and there are alternatives.
Is it true that they cut the vocal chords of the bull 'fighting' horses or is it myth?
Either way, I won't be watching.
Its the 21st centuary and there are alternatives.
Is it true that they cut the vocal chords of the bull 'fighting' horses or is it myth?
Either way, I won't be watching.
shellonabeach
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Bullfighting was shown very late at night on CH4 about 8-9 years ago in all its gruesome detail.
I was a uni student at the time and wrote to CH4 complaining about it.
I'm not sure if I will be watching this weeks horsepeople...
I was a uni student at the time and wrote to CH4 complaining about it.
I'm not sure if I will be watching this weeks horsepeople...
Tinypony
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_MizElz_ the incident you relate about the old cow, that was cruelty and they could probably have been prosecuted. I would have called in the RSPCA.
Fizzimyst
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_MizElz_ the incident you relate about the old cow, that was cruelty and they could probably have been prosecuted. I would have called in the RSPCA.
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Me too
_MizElz_ the incident you relate about the old cow, that was cruelty and they could probably have been prosecuted. I would have called in the RSPCA.
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Me too
Erehwemos
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_MizElz_ the incident you relate about the old cow, that was cruelty and they could probably have been prosecuted. I would have called in the RSPCA.
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Very tricky when they were our landlords
There were several welfare issues of the animals on the farm that I was less than happy with, but when speaking out means losing your home, its not that easy
Sirena, I am not going to argue with you. For someone who claims to be anti-bullfighting, you seem very eager to deny the horrors that do in fact go on. I am going to reserve further judgement until I have seen the programme on Wednesday; I suggest you do the same.
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_MizElz_ the incident you relate about the old cow, that was cruelty and they could probably have been prosecuted. I would have called in the RSPCA.
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Me too
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Very tricky when they were our landlords
Sirena, I am not going to argue with you. For someone who claims to be anti-bullfighting, you seem very eager to deny the horrors that do in fact go on. I am going to reserve further judgement until I have seen the programme on Wednesday; I suggest you do the same.
Weezy
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Am I the only person on this forum who has been to many bullfights? I will defend the right to hold bullfights with all my might, and I am very much looking forward to this week's show, but not the comments that are bound to ensue.
There is a LOT of grace and honour in bull fighting, for man and beast. You would not believe the conditions the fighting bulls are kept in, they are palatial. The horses are revered too. Yes, many of you may find it all very distasteful, and that is your absolute right, but I will not tolerate anyone mouthing off about it if they do not know what they are talking about - saying you are against it is absolutely fine, I respect that fully.
There is a LOT of grace and honour in bull fighting, for man and beast. You would not believe the conditions the fighting bulls are kept in, they are palatial. The horses are revered too. Yes, many of you may find it all very distasteful, and that is your absolute right, but I will not tolerate anyone mouthing off about it if they do not know what they are talking about - saying you are against it is absolutely fine, I respect that fully.
Fizzimyst
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Am I the only person on this forum who has been to many bullfights? I will defend the right to hold bullfights with all my might, and I am very much looking forward to this week's show, but not the comments that are bound to ensue.
There is a LOT of grace and honour in bull fighting, for man and beast. You would not believe the conditions the fighting bulls are kept in, they are palatial. The horses are revered too. Yes, many of you may find it all very distasteful, and that is your absolute right, but I will not tolerate anyone mouthing off about it if they do not know what they are talking about - saying you are against it is absolutely fine, I respect that fully.
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I dont know a huge deal about bullfighting, I have only seen a few clips where it has been deemed cruel and the animals are suffering, I have seen a few clips again where they blow darts in the bulls and they are bleeding. These clips are minutes long on the TV, some programs like when animals attack or something like that, you know the kind of programs.
I would like to know more about it.........
Am I the only person on this forum who has been to many bullfights? I will defend the right to hold bullfights with all my might, and I am very much looking forward to this week's show, but not the comments that are bound to ensue.
There is a LOT of grace and honour in bull fighting, for man and beast. You would not believe the conditions the fighting bulls are kept in, they are palatial. The horses are revered too. Yes, many of you may find it all very distasteful, and that is your absolute right, but I will not tolerate anyone mouthing off about it if they do not know what they are talking about - saying you are against it is absolutely fine, I respect that fully.
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I dont know a huge deal about bullfighting, I have only seen a few clips where it has been deemed cruel and the animals are suffering, I have seen a few clips again where they blow darts in the bulls and they are bleeding. These clips are minutes long on the TV, some programs like when animals attack or something like that, you know the kind of programs.
I would like to know more about it.........