NEXT WEEKS HORSE PEOPLE

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_MizElz_ the incident you relate about the old cow, that was cruelty and they could probably have been prosecuted. I would have called in the RSPCA.

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Me too
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Very tricky when they were our landlords
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There were several welfare issues of the animals on the farm that I was less than happy with, but when speaking out means losing your home, its not that easy
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You know, I can ring crimestoppers and tell them about the drugdealer on our road who stores guns and runs a meth plant. I dont have to give my name, I dont have to point the guy out to the police, they dont have to know it was me.

This is a hyperthetical (sp) example. I am sure when you ring the RSCPA or anyone else, you dont have to reveal who you are
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ETA: I'm not so sure I'd want to be giving my money to someone who has several welfare issues on their farm
 
No and you know we had this conversation before (when i posted the Merlin video) so you know i agree you although i would do not care for the actual killing. That is why i will be so interested to see how people take being 'educated' about another 'culture' and whether a great many of the posters on this thread and the other one are going to be so magnanimous about a culture that to some brutally kills bulls as they have been to the one that does the same to horsesafter the next show. because I do not recall a great many people supporting your position aside from myself, PF and one or two others then.
and whether anyone will think any scenes of 'brutality' were nessecary in the name of 'education' which was my gripe with the first show.
 
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ETA: I'm not so sure I'd want to be giving my money to someone who has several welfare issues on their farm

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....which is part of the reason we moved, five months ago
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Lu - I didn't see the first prog, so have not got into discussion about that, although I will try and catch it on iPlayer tomorrow if I get a chance. I know I am fighting a losing battle over the *right to fight* and I promise not to get too riled by the comments that will be on here on Weds!
 
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To an above poster - there is no dart *blowing* - well, I have never seen this happen and I watched bull fights, live and on Spanish TV, for 20 odd years!

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Sorry should have been clearly, the clip with the dark blowing was in a street where there were bulls were running free and there was loads of people blowing darts and chasing the bulls. One of them turned on a woman and threw her all round the place.

The other clips have been of bulls in a ring with a bloke with a cloth

Told you I dont know much about it
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To an above poster - there is no dart *blowing* - well, I have never seen this happen and I watched bull fights, live and on Spanish TV, for 20 odd years!

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I think, if I am honest, that there are aspects of EVERY animal related sport which many people will find horrifying. I HAVE seen footage, and heard from someone who has witnessed at close hand (and she is a close friend, so I would have no reason to believe that she is lying) about some of the things I mentioned re. bullfighting. But I am, however, willing to admit that such practices may not necessarily be standard.

It's a bit like someone watching footage of horse racing and seeing one of those awful moments where an errant jockey, for example, is caught on camera punching his horse in the head (I have known two such occasions). As racegoers/followers, most of us here are willing to acknowledge that this is NOT standard practice in the horse racing world, and that such bouts of temper are in fact rare. But when they are caught on camera by those who want nothing more than to find fault with the sport, the effects can be very misleading for people who are not so knowledgable about racing.

Does that make sense
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I'm trying very hard to be open minded about this, and I am looking forward to seeing the programme on Wednesday!
 
Running with the bulls - this happens all over Spain, but the big one is in Pamplona, and it is complete madness TBH. There are people in front of the bulls as well as behind mind, it is complete carnage and has become seriously over exposed to the point that it is now dangerous (IMO). We used to run with the bulls every year in San Roque, a village close to where I lived, which was far more sedate, but you had to be fast and deft on your feet. I don't like the idea of running bulls being darted, it isn't fair or necessary. The bulls are run to the bull ring where they are listed for fighting later that day.

Those that run with the bulls do so at their own risk - if they want to act macho and think it is a game then more fool them!
 
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There is a LOT of grace and honour in bull fighting, for man and beast. You would not believe the conditions the fighting bulls are kept in, they are palatial. The horses are revered too. Yes, many of you may find it all very distasteful, and that is your absolute right, but I will not tolerate anyone mouthing off about it if they do not know what they are talking about - saying you are against it is absolutely fine, I respect that fully.

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i reallly dont think ,not that im fluent in 'bull'> (some are tho ofcourse) <communication directly, but i feel sure he would rather not have sharp objects and pain and fear inflicted on him in the name of 'honour' and a nice stable!!. I really could probably be 70% sure ( but of course im no expert) the bull would NOT see it in the same way as we humans!! I didnt like the way the mare was killed in the last programme but at least it was life (human) dependant!! Bull fighting to me is a disgusting show of bare faced cruelty(IMO)! I see no honour in that at all(IMO)!!
 
A good bullfighter inflicts very little pain, if any at all. A clean kill is what is always sought after. Bulls are very, very rarely scared or have fear over anything at all. The bull fight displays the bulls breeding and lineage and its athletisism. It means that cattle breeders continue to function. It also means that it has been born
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Without the fighting, it wouldn't have. I would hazard a guess that 100% of bulls (and I amnot fluent in bull either LOL) would choose the life of a fighting bull over the life of a bog standard factory farmed meat animal any day.

Bulls are given a win too you know
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On the face of it it looks like a disgusting show for nothing but human entertainment which involves torturing an animal - I will give you that 100%, but dig a little deeper and there is more to learn, which I hope they will show on the programme.
 
makes no difference to me how you put it and i see it for exactly what it is imo!! With respect, no digging would change my opinion if thats the outcome. Im not about to change my views ( and that of millions) on a breeding programme or anything else for that matter, how ever you wish to glam it up!! Its not needed 10000%!!!
 
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On the face of it it looks like a disgusting show for nothing but human entertainment which involves torturing an animal - I will give you that 100%, but dig a little deeper and there is more to learn, which I hope they will show on the programme.

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That is what I am hoping too.
I dont like the idea,but have no idea what really goes on.The first show was very tactfull and I really do hope they treat bull fighting the same way.
I really dont think you can be for or against anything without understanding the inns and out-ofc a TV show wont give a full,true picture,but ti can inform us a little more.
 

Sirena, I am not going to argue with you. For someone who claims to be anti-bullfighting, you seem very eager to deny the horrors that do in fact go on. I am going to reserve further judgement until I have seen the programme on Wednesday; I suggest you do the same.

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Miss Elz, I do not have to wait to watch the programme, I KNOW already, unlike yourself. I dislike bullfighting, but not for the reasons you presume, and to say I am anti is far too strong a word. You have never seen a bullfight, yet you presume to know all about it, you seem to presume a lot of things.
 
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many responses to a thread. atm i have no opinion of bull fighting so I am very much looking forward to being educated on it this week.
 
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No and you know we had this conversation before (when i posted the Merlin video) so you know i agree you although i would do not care for the actual killing. That is why i will be so interested to see how people take being 'educated' about another 'culture' and whether a great many of the posters on this thread and the other one are going to be so magnanimous about a culture that to some brutally kills bulls as they have been to the one that does the same to horsesafter the next show. because I do not recall a great many people supporting your position aside from myself, PF and one or two others then.
and whether anyone will think any scenes of 'brutality' were nessecary in the name of 'education' which was my gripe with the first show.

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I defended the BBC airing the first Horsepeople programme as it was educational. It also showed the presenter very distressed by the slaughter method and it in no way condoned it. I don't remember anyone defending the slaughter method - just the fact that it was shown in order that viewers could be educated on that aspect of the way of life.

I think it is very unlikely I will become a defender of bullfighting after watching the next programme (although of course, you never know). However, that is obviously not the point. I will, at least, be able to be more educated in my opposition to it, if the second programme is as unflinching in its portrayal as the first.
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