No haynets in lorry park, how do you cope?

[Baggybreeches]

I'd never take my horse out and about without hay. Some days we've left home at 6am and aren't home til 5pm. Are you honestly saying your horses wouldn't eat a bean for 11hrs?

No they are usually not out that long but yes if needs be 11hr wouldnt be a problem. How many people give their horses hay at 6pm and then don't return until 8am the following day, do you think those horses save some hay?
Also mine would usually have 15/20 minutes pick of grass when they had finished.

 

[trick123]

There are excellent thoughtful people who tie their horses up outside their trailer or horsebox and then there are the numpties who are a danger to their horses, people around them and the premises that they are parked on. A child had a very badly broken leg from a horse tied up to lorry, no supervision. that lashed out at a competition near us. I have seen horses go berserk when a plastic bag has blown across under their legs, horses with feet caught in haynets hung too low the examples could go on for ever more.
A big no no as far as i am concerned.

 

[MegaBeast]

How many people give their horses hay at 6pm and then don't return until 8am the following day, do you think those horses save some hay?

lol, as it happens mine does!! She only has a normal sized hay net over night and invariably has a handful left the next morning although I agree that most aren't like that

 

[MagicMelon]

Some of the competitions around here say you have to keep you horse in the lorry/trailer between classes. Mine are happy enough munching their hay nets in the lorry.

Yeah, I still leave mine outside tied to the trailer! I think BSJA says you're meant to keep the horse inside but mine has always been used to being tied outside and is much happier so I'm not prepared to stress my horse out. Especially on a hot day.

Cant believe some places are banning haynets outside, how bizarre!! Its only hay, it'll blow away in the first wind anyway! Good grief.

Baggybreeches - Am shocked you're happy to leave your horses without hay for 11 hours... wow. Thats just colic waiting to happen.

 

[charlie76]

We don't tie outside as the horses/haynets scratch the paint work! The are more than happy tied inside with the windows open and a haynet, we also have the roof vents open and fans on when its very hot.

 

[Baggybreeches]

lol, as it happens mine does!! She only has a normal sized hay net over night and invariably has a handful left the next morning although I agree that most aren't like that

Yeah my mum's mare does too, and the fussy old tart won't eat leftovers, fortunately her son isn't so fussy!
But the vast majority of horses are completely overfed full stop, I actually asked my livery to weigh the haylage that she was gayly filling her wheelbarrow with one day, and what do you with out a second thought she was giving her horse 48lb!!! of high quality haylage, in addition to being turned out all day! I do think the advent of hay/bedding inclusive livery has a lot to answer for!

 

[MegaBeast]

Yeah my mum's mare does too, and the fussy old tart won't eat leftovers, fortunately her son isn't so fussy!

lol, yep - have to recycle the leftovers as there's no way she'll eat them the next night! I do agree about the over feeding generally, it's no wonder there are so many fat horses around. To be honest, those I know competing at high levels won't feed hay/haylage before they've run to help their wind so given you've had to travel several hours etc etc they could go a long time with out, although they do get nets for the journey home.

 

[ecrozier]

My youngster I generally put back on the lorry anyway as he loads very well and is very happy on the lorry with a haynet. My older boy can be a pain to load! So whilst I am allowed i will continue to tie him up outside with a haynet, and would probably tie him outside without a haynet rather than reload him repeatedly during the day, eg eventing would leave him on lorry with net til tack up for dressage then outside with nothing until after xc if reasonably close together. Wouldn't trust my youngster as much but older boy very chilled and just dozes in the sun!

 

[Baggybreeches]

Baggybreeches - Am shocked you're happy to leave your horses without hay for 11 hours... wow. Thats just colic waiting to happen.

In 30yrs of keeping horses I can honestly say I have only had one horse get colic, and she is a windsucker. On account of my horses rarely being sick or sorry I think I am quite satified with my routine, it works for me, but hey not saying it would suit everyone.

 

[diggerbez]

i wouldn't dream of tying my horse up outside trailer and then leaving him- with hay or not!! don't have a problem if owner stays and keeps an eye on them but leaving them is just asking for an accident. really pees me off when the person next to me asks me to keep an eye on their horse as well i'm afraid...why the hell should i????

re. hay- i always take it but thats coz i'm soft. my trainer (international show jumper) doesn't feed anything until after horses have jumped and then they get a net- so often they'll be stood on bvox for hours with no hay. doesn't seem to bother them. think its quite normal amongst pros TBH.

 

[Holidays_are_coming]

No they are usually not out that long but yes if needs be 11hr wouldnt be a problem. How many people give their horses hay at 6pm and then don't return until 8am the following day, do you think those horses save some hay?
Also mine would usually have 15/20 minutes pick of grass when they had finished.

My mare has ad-lib hay, so she always has loads left over, and I posted some pics the other day and everyone agreed she looks perfect and so does my vet.

 

[Baggybreeches]

My mare has ad-lib hay, so she always has loads left over, and I posted some pics the other day and everyone agreed she looks perfect and so does my vet.

I just looked up your pics out of curiosity, and I have to agree she does look ok to me too.
As others said a bit more muscle on the bum.

 

[stencilface]

I left mine tied up for 30 secs whilst I went in to change once, he got the rope over his head, snapped the string and pegged off in the direction of the dressage arena where my sister was competing - I was mortified!

You'd be lucky at many of our BS venues if they leave you enough room to tie up, sometimte you barely have room to get the steps down!

I do tie up outside, but only if I am tacking up/grooming never for long periods. Tiewd my sisters pony up (years ago) came back and found he was tied to someone elses trailer, he must have escaped and some kind person had tied him to the nearest thing!

I did for a while not give mine hay til after he'd finished, but then I did and it made not a jot of difference to him, so now he gets hay. Mine does eat up all his hay at night when in, but he is on straw anyway so could always safety pick at that

 

[seadog]

If I can't see him from the canteen/warming up arena I will take a walk over every 20-30 mins and check he is okay.QUOTE]

Eeeeeekkkk! 20- 30 mins?!

I think it's quite a safe rule tbh, the amount of times you see horses wriggling around on too long leadropes tied outside is amazing. I luckily usually have a helper/friend at shows so there's someone around if I need to pop to toilet, get my number, go to burger bar(!).

 

[RoseGrey]

Staying by your horse if in the lorry or tied outside a lorry is fine when you need the loo (if lorry has one) but if you travelled in a trailer alone and need the loo and there is no-one around, what do you do? You have to leave your horse unsupervised.
Same as if you have to make your entries, different for dressage as entries done in advance so you never need to leave horse alone (unless to visit the loo !)
If I tied my horse to the side of the lorry without a haynet and parked on grass he would probably do himself some damage trying to eat the grass, even if tied very short.

 

[Hannahbelle83]

I would not be able to go to a show that did not let you tie on the outside of the box with a haynet. I have a 17hh very athletic middleweight who just about stands still when the box is moving, he would definately not stand still if the box was parked, he will for about 30 mins with another horse inside but that is it and as he is big and powerfull he could do some serious damage inside the box, he has tried to jump out of the front of a forward facing box (i have since got rid of that) and had kicked holes in the doors next to the ramp. Tie him up outside of the box he is fine! His haynet is tied high of the floor and he is tied semi tight to double bale string (its far too easy for him to break 1 string). I compete alone, I can just about afford my classes, i could not afford a groom, I have no family or good friends in the area so yes i do HAVE to leave my horse unattended for short periods of time. Oh it would be great to have a whole hoard of people following me around but i live in the real world, if I want something done, I go and do it!

Hear hear!!! I too compete alone as I can't afford a groom or entourage, so I have to leave him unattended to walk the course. He's as good as gold, stands there minding his own business. But my boy won't stand happily on a trailer unless I'm in his sight, he tries to jump off, net or no net. Once the car is running and we get moving he is fine. I also believe that horses should have access to hay at all times, so yes, we should be allowed nets.

 

[RoseGrey]

Hear hear!!! I too compete alone as I can't afford a groom or entourage, so I have to leave him unattended to walk the course. He's as good as gold, stands there minding his own business. But my boy won't stand happily on a trailer unless I'm in his sight, he tries to jump off, net or no net. Once the car is running and we get moving he is fine. I also believe that horses should have access to hay at all times, so yes, we should be allowed nets.

Would you avoid venues who have the 'no haynet' rule ??

I would prefer to have a 'clear up your mess or you will not be welcome again' rule...??
I am in two minds wether to avoid the shows with the no haynets outside rule.
I have lost one horse to colic and will do everything in my power never to lose one again.

 

[Hannahbelle83]

Would you avoid venues who have the 'no haynet' rule ??

I would prefer to have a 'clear up your mess or you will not be welcome again' rule...??
I am in two minds wether to avoid the shows with the no haynets outside rule.

Hmmmm, that's difficult as I have not experienced one yet. I would probably go if it were for one or two classes but I would have to nicely ask a friend to come with me so he is not alone ever, or he might get fussy without a net. So I wouldn't go for a long day of showing without a net - horses in the wild eat for most of the day. I think I'd be tempted to call them up first and see what you are allowed - a hay bag or something else that won't make as much mess.

Yes, I would much prefer a clear up your own mess rule! makes far more sense to me.

 

[Kallibear]

I'd never take my horse out and about without hay. Some days we've left home at 6am and aren't home til 5pm. Are you honestly saying your horses wouldn't eat a bean for 11hrs?

Absolutely agree. I'd never let my horses go so long without something to munch!

I too have a horse who would absolutely not tolerate having to stay standing in the trailer for ages. He'd start to get fidgetty then panic and do himself an injury, prob damage the box and quite likely terrify himself too.

However he ties fabulously and will stand all day tied to the trailer with a haynet and a bucket of water, causing no hassle to himself or others.

I don't leave him for long period's of time unattended but i'd quite happily trust him to behave whilst I go register etc.

 

[Tnavas]

Would definately avoid - no tie up outside with hay.

My horses welfare comes first.

I always clean up after my horses taking dung and old hay home with me. Amazes me the rudeness of some horse owners who leave the place a tip not just with horse leftovers but empty chip ppots, drinks bottles and the like.

 

[millitiger]

I would avoid venues with this rule.

We always tie up outside the trailer with a haynet- my mum stays with the horse while I walk the course, get numbers etc so never left unattended (which I think is probably another thread anyway?).

 

[brighteyes]

Bucket feed is how - fibre chop and speedibeet, regularly in roughly 'measured' doses. Keep them nice and sloppy and the water goes in, too.

Haynets make too much mess and wastage on or off the lorry and as it's not 'hard feed' as such, I'm not overdosing.

I personally leave mine on the lorry, but usually sit in the living anyway.

I had a nervy moment coming back to find two horses tied in the small gap between their Equi-Trek and my fairly recently re-sprayed lorry, but they hadn't left a mark.

And I'm a tidy-upper, too. It's manners and courtesy.

 

[Birker2020]

I compete alone, I can just about afford my classes, i could not afford a groom, I have no family or good friends in the area so yes i do HAVE to leave my horse unattended for short periods of time. Oh it would be great to have a whole hoard of people following me around but i live in the real world, if I want something done, I go and do it!

I am exactly the same as you painted ponies and agree with your remarks wholeheartedly.

 

[Birker2020]

If I can't see him from the canteen/warming up arena I will take a walk over every 20-30 mins and check he is okay.QUOTE]

Eeeeeekkkk! 20- 30 mins?!

(!).

Yes I've had him nearly seven years (all of which I have been competing him) and he has never once had any problem. Oh, actually that's a lie, he ran round the lorry park twice, and on both ocassions its because I had been blonde and forget to attach his rope to his head collar after taking off his bridle.

 

[Joyous70]

I would avoid venues, with a no tie up/haynet rule.

When we go to a show, my boy will stand on the trailer for a short amount of time whilst i go register, but after that he would get fidgety, as he can't see whats going on. If i leave my boy tied up outside with a haynet, he's as happy as larry, im very lucky as my OH takes me to shows, so i have someone who will stand with him while i walk the course or nip to the loo, but my boy wouldn't be happy stood on the trailer from 9.00am - 3pm and i certainly wouldn't be happy for him to do it either.

 

[Tempi]

my pet hate is people who tie their horses up outside their lorry/trailer. They take up more parking space, swing around on long ropes, mess up the ground and are prone to getting loose. The owners are usually never around to see to them and I cannt see the plus points of doing this.Mine are always left in the lorry with a net and are very content, safe and not a problem for anyone else!

^^^^ This

Most of the venues around me stipulate that horses arent to be left tied to the lorry and that no haynets are allowed outside of the lorry either. The mess people leave behind is incredible - organisers/show centres have enough to do on a show day without having to clear up the lorry park afterwards aswell. What also really annoys me is people who just leave their horses droppings and dont pick them up.

 

[Horsesnponysarelife]

A few competition venues nearby have decided that haynets are no longer allowed in the lorry park.
Horses have to be IN the trailer or lorry to have haynet... due to the mess left behind.
How do you cope with this, my horse is chilled being tied to lorry with a haynet but would probably get stressed left in the lorry.
I have bought a 'haybag' but I don't know if they would be allowed.
Its a pain when your times are two hours apart.
How do you cope?

If i where in that position, when i tied my horse up outside the trailer i would put the hay into a large tubtrug bucket.

 

[only_me]

In eventing ireland, it is actually a rule that no horse may be left tied outside the trailer!

 

[SplashofSoy]

Must admit we never leave horses tied up outside lorry, only ever tied up to tack up (although we mostly travel tacked up anyway) or to do studs etc. If horse not being ridden goes back in lorry. Can be a pain as yard wagon takes 6 and you are on and off all the time but they are safe and secure on wagon when unattended. We also rarely take haynets (only if going to be all day 5 hours +) even to use on lorry as majority of hay ends up being wasted and horses travel and stand fine without nets.

 

[Baggybreeches]

I compete alone, I can just about afford my classes, i could not afford a groom, I have no family or good friends in the area so yes i do HAVE to leave my horse unattended for short periods of time. Oh it would be great to have a whole hoard of people following me around but i live in the real world, if I want something done, I go and do it!

I do too, and my horses are safer in the trailer without a haynet. And no I don't want hoards of people following me round, I like competing on my own!