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AdorableAlice said:
And at the risk of ridicule, in my opinion there are much better stallions available. His movement is not correct and never has been.
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I agree there are much much better stallions .
Nothing that's been done with this horse since he was sold has done anything other than reduce his value at stud .
They would have done better if they had sent him straight to stud .
 
Just seen that his retirement has been officially announced due to him having edema (?) on the bone?? I hope he has the retirement he deserves x
 
Goldenstar said:
Not sure his future out of the public eye will be any rosier .
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Well, he's a very valuable horse so I would imagine they'll be looking after him, don't you? PS has the largest breeding business in the world, so it's not like they don't know how to manage stallions.
 
Cortez said:
Well, he's a very valuable horse so I would imagine they'll be looking after him, don't you? PS has the largest breeding business in the world, so it's not like they don't know how to manage stallions.
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I don't doubt they know how to manage him for maximum profit and his safety I hope he can get some turnout and exercise if he can cope with it .
 
Cortez said:
Well, he's a very valuable horse so I would imagine they'll be looking after him, don't you? PS has the largest breeding business in the world, so it's not like they don't know how to manage stallions.
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He certainly has a huge place with experienced handlers, I doubt that the image most people would want to see of his retirement from competition will be the one he sees in reality though
 
crabbymare said:
He certainly has a huge place with experienced handlers, I doubt that the image most people would want to see of his retirement from competition will be the one he sees in reality though
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You mean the sunny green fields full of bunny rabbits and bluebirds? No, I don't think that will be what happens, but then most serving stallions are not kept that way in commercial establishments, and neither is my own stallion who firmly prefers being in, excercised and kept fit. A horse which has been stabled all his life does not necessarily take to being out in a field and some would be stressed if made to do so. I am quite sure that he will be very well looked after, why would anyone not carefully mind such a valuable animal?

All a bit moot since none of us actually own the horse, do we?
 
Tiddlypom said:
I wonder how valuable he is? A freaky mover with soundness issues and a tricky temperament?

You'd be a very brave breeder to send your top class mare to him.
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Look at it the other way, he had normal movement at 5 years old. he made it at top class at I imagine 8 years old and stayed there (ok on and off at the end but sometimes from rider illness or injuries from using the phantom) and with 2 different riders so although yes he was hot and not everyones ride but is that considered tricky when you are looking at top level stallions? his offspring have already passed their licensing so on the breeding side you could say he has from the first crops been a success so if you were a mare owner you could easily make the opposite case :) Personally I would not put a mare to him but I can see why other people would
 
He's a trakehner a very hot type of warm blood , his grand sire was Kostolany who was a lovely ( IMO ) example of the breed .
Personally and all these things are personal I prefer Damon Hill .
Not that I could ride that sort of horse .
 
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Tiddlypom said:
I wonder how valuable he is? A freaky mover with soundness issues and a tricky temperament?

You'd be a very brave breeder to send your top class mare to him.
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He's sired some of the top premium foals in the UK, last I looked, also in Germany, and Holland, and France.
 
Goldenstar said:
He's a trakehner a very hot type of warm blood , his grand sire was Kostolany who was a lovely ( IMO ) example of the breed .
Personally and all these things are personal I prefer Damon Hill .
Not that I could ride that sort of horse .
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I used to breed Trakehners, a while ago now, and one of my stallions was a half brother of Kostolany's. Not so very hot, but sensitive and inclined to try too hard; much more complicated than the Hannoverians which were about then (they're hotter these days, I believe).
 
Cortez said:
I used to breed Trakehners, a while ago now, and one of my stallions was a half brother of Kostolany's. Not so very hot, but sensitive and inclined to try too hard; much more complicated than the Hannoverians which were about then (they're hotter these days, I believe).
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What colour was he ? Your stallion .
 
These are nearly 20 years old now, but here are some of his foals...........

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popsdosh said:
The horse IMO has never been sound when competing right from day one . I am afraid that the judges were awarding him high marks on the back of over exaggerated movement that is in no way natural,it then became difficult for judges not to award top marks as they were like a flock of sheep.
Not sure many top breeders have used him as a stallion expecting to sell at top level ,most of his offspring have been produced below top level and sold to another flock of sheep who follow the fashion created by said high marks,I predict there will be lots of buyers losing a packet on these horses in years to come.
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I have seen a couple of his babies in the flesh and they were wonderful. I'm not a fan of Toto, but these youngsters oozed PRESENCE. I wonder to what extent his movement is innate, and how much is from being over-produced? I guess we will find out soon as I think the four year olds will be out competing any minute now.
 
I am very torn between what I saw totilas do ridden and himself as the horse he could have been, I saw a beautiful filly by him, it was outstanding and already sold.
 
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