NO SH1T SHERLOCK!!!!!!!
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hellybelly6
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Not surprised
saskia295
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They're quick aren't they?!
Rachel_M
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Do you think anyone will listen to what they are saying and do something about it?
CracklinRosie
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Makes us all look like chumps!!! And I bet it'd be us honest horse owners who would've been prosecuted for not having a passport too!
jes_nibley
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At least someone has owned up for a change...
Normally they'd just bury it and deny all!
Normally they'd just bury it and deny all!
Flibble
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It never ceases to amaze me how many times the Blindingly obvious is investigated and reported on.
Next someone will form a large committee to investigate and produce a white paper!!
Next someone will form a large committee to investigate and produce a white paper!!
Toby_Zaphod
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It's about time passports were sorted out. You can take any horse to an auction without a passport & most of the auction houses will issue with a passport there & then.......it's a thieves charter!!
lochpearl
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I'm not trying to hijak I just thought that you might be able to shed some light on what I can do being as you are in the business of selling horses.
Bought horse 3 months ago, told pure bred Trakehner, stupidly didn't ask to look at passport or papers, when paid for it was given a BSJA passport, was told that the person that 'brought the horse over from Germany' had lost the papers so they couldn't wait anymore and got BSJA one done - one month before I got horse, vet came to do markings etc for it and has it down as 5 year old german bred gelding, liver chestnut and 16.2hh, now the markings on the head and body all fine as per passport but no mention of his brand on there, he is not really liver chestnut, more a rich chestnut and was standing over 17hh. They said the vet guessed at height but this thing is an elephant no way 16.2hh. Could this be a genuine mistake and ignorance of vet or could he have a less than honest passport?? If I get stopped by someone who knows something about horses they will def pick up on his size and colour.
Bought horse 3 months ago, told pure bred Trakehner, stupidly didn't ask to look at passport or papers, when paid for it was given a BSJA passport, was told that the person that 'brought the horse over from Germany' had lost the papers so they couldn't wait anymore and got BSJA one done - one month before I got horse, vet came to do markings etc for it and has it down as 5 year old german bred gelding, liver chestnut and 16.2hh, now the markings on the head and body all fine as per passport but no mention of his brand on there, he is not really liver chestnut, more a rich chestnut and was standing over 17hh. They said the vet guessed at height but this thing is an elephant no way 16.2hh. Could this be a genuine mistake and ignorance of vet or could he have a less than honest passport?? If I get stopped by someone who knows something about horses they will def pick up on his size and colour.
mrogers
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I have never been asked to present a passport even at shows like Royal Welsh, Bridgend county and even at championship shows. In fact the only shows we have been asked for them is at local shows and riding club areas.
JM07
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he should have a brand...
Serenity087
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I think vets simply cannot be bothered to take the time to fill in a passport.
According to our passports we own a dun and a palomino. According to our field, we don't. Someone just wrote down the first colour that popped into their head and now its an official, legal document.
Stupid, really!
According to our passports we own a dun and a palomino. According to our field, we don't. Someone just wrote down the first colour that popped into their head and now its an official, legal document.
Stupid, really!
Smash
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Slow news day.
Missmac
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When I had my vet out to draw Charlies passport, he wrote the freezemark down wrong, drew the white sock on the wrong leg and he didnt sign it. blithering idiot!
lochpearl
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he should have a brand...
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He does it's the German Trakehner brand with 38 or 33 depending on the light underneath, spoke to the German Trakehner society and they have no record of him and said the person that imported him should apply for replacement papers but no-one has any history on him or the dodgy f**kers that sold him to me! So sorry to hijak just well worried now!!
he should have a brand...
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He does it's the German Trakehner brand with 38 or 33 depending on the light underneath, spoke to the German Trakehner society and they have no record of him and said the person that imported him should apply for replacement papers but no-one has any history on him or the dodgy f**kers that sold him to me! So sorry to hijak just well worried now!!
Nudibranch
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Loch pearl I wouldn't worry too much - I have a liver chestnut and a piebald both down as "bay" and both standing a hand heigher than they really are! I wasn't there when the passport person came to fill in the markings, just my dad, who isn't horsey at all. I think some vets and "approved" markers just skim over and fill them in anyhow...
brighteyes
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And I have a liver chestnut, taller than his breed height
which has developed white spots all over his body - no mention of them on his passport at all because they weren't there when it was done. They are definitely there now though!
Any lay person wouldn't have a clue..........
Laafet
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As for microchipping, both of mine are but according to NED they are not and they are registered with both their PIO as being microchipped. I have email NED to explain and tried to alter their details but have had no reply.
Maesfen
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Well my vet has several times in the past, been asked to fill in a passport for newly imported horses. They have the name of sire and dam in but nothing else, no markings chart done at all. He always refuses because he can't guarantee that breeding belongs to that horse can he?
AutumnRose
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I have a grey and white who is just down as completley grey(none of his markings were done at all). Was done by a regulated person and came from a dealer i know personally so i know it's legit. When i had him vetted vet suggested just getting a new one done with the drawing on his vets cert but that it probably wouldn't ever matter.
Not sure whether or not to bother...he will be competing BE but they never check the passport against the horse.
Not sure whether or not to bother...he will be competing BE but they never check the passport against the horse.
dieseldog
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I don't agree with some of their suggestions
"The suggested rules include that no horse can be sold or passed on within three months of a passport being issued or transferred"
What if you fell off and died?
"horses cannot be sold at official horse sales in the ring or outside in the car park without the presence of an independent vet and a member of Defra policing the passport system"
What about private sellers? If they introduced the above it should be for all sales.
"The suggested rules include that no horse can be sold or passed on within three months of a passport being issued or transferred"
What if you fell off and died?
"horses cannot be sold at official horse sales in the ring or outside in the car park without the presence of an independent vet and a member of Defra policing the passport system"
What about private sellers? If they introduced the above it should be for all sales.
PapaFrita
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When I had my vet out to draw Charlies passport, he wrote the freezemark down wrong, drew the white sock on the wrong leg and he didnt sign it. blithering idiot!
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My vet did the same. Silly bint.
When I had my vet out to draw Charlies passport, he wrote the freezemark down wrong, drew the white sock on the wrong leg and he didnt sign it. blithering idiot!
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My vet did the same. Silly bint.
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Donkeymad
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The height and colour of animals Passported as foals cannot be accurate. Who can say 100% what colour and height a foal will make?
As for the passport system failing - well, of course they are!!
As for the passport system failing - well, of course they are!!
Natch
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I don't agree with some of their suggestions
"The suggested rules include that no horse can be sold or passed on within three months of a passport being issued or transferred"
What if you fell off and died?
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And does that mean that horse dealers would be extinct? 3 months might be a long time for a horse to stay in one dealer's hands if it doesn't need to grow/be fed up/ be schooled etc, and what is best for the horse? to go from one home to a dealer and straight on again, or to settle in the dealer's yard for 3 months only to be disrupted again?
I don't agree with some of their suggestions
"The suggested rules include that no horse can be sold or passed on within three months of a passport being issued or transferred"
What if you fell off and died?
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And does that mean that horse dealers would be extinct? 3 months might be a long time for a horse to stay in one dealer's hands if it doesn't need to grow/be fed up/ be schooled etc, and what is best for the horse? to go from one home to a dealer and straight on again, or to settle in the dealer's yard for 3 months only to be disrupted again?
hadfos
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When I had my vet out to draw Charlies passport, he wrote the freezemark down wrong, drew the white sock on the wrong leg and he didnt sign it. blithering idiot!
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My vet did the same. Silly bint.
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mine missed all the white from under his chin and the tiny pink splodge on his snip until i pointed out
ohhh and the scars on his hind legs that have grown back white...muppets,all in order now
waste of time these passports..their vaccination certs should just have had an added section put in for adverse treatments etc,saved us all some money
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When I had my vet out to draw Charlies passport, he wrote the freezemark down wrong, drew the white sock on the wrong leg and he didnt sign it. blithering idiot!
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My vet did the same. Silly bint.
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mine missed all the white from under his chin and the tiny pink splodge on his snip until i pointed out
ohhh and the scars on his hind legs that have grown back white...muppets,all in order now
waste of time these passports..their vaccination certs should just have had an added section put in for adverse treatments etc,saved us all some money