No Such Thing As A Coloured Racehorse?

Agree with Rachel can't see a coloured ever winning on the flat. Might see one manage to pick up a very very very poor quality NH race through jumping ability.
 
charlyan said:
Unusual to have two coloured parents with a solid foal! I know a lot of the foals Linda bred by him were solid but they generally had a solid coat dam :)

Lucky did produce a lot of solid colour stock too, although they were all eligible for CHAPS registration.
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If both coloured parents are hetrozygous there is a 25% chance that the offspring will have a solid colour coat. If a hetrozygous coloured is crossed to solid coat there is only a 50% chance that the offspring will be coloured. Horses can't 'carry' a coloured gene. If they do have a coloured gene then the coat will be colured as the gene is dominant.
 
I think at some point we will see a coloured race horse do well, whether it will be in our life time I don't know but I'm sure at some point it will happen.

You've only got to look at other horse sports to see that coloureds are now competing at high level.

Yes the colour is a novelty, but people like novelties (partcularly USA)and so I suspect there will be a small group of people who will try to breed a coloured winner. If an average coloured mare goes to a good stallion and has a coloured, you put that to another good mare/stallion, get a coloured eventually, put that to a good mare/stallion......eventually you will end up with a coloured race horse with some good racing blood.

Of course that is not enough, there are plenty of failed racehorses with outstanding breeding. I think it's 50 breeding and 50 having the will to win. Race horse breeding is such a lottery as it is. If it was just down to breeding there wouldnt be so many failed racehorses.

Im rambling, but im sure you get the gist. Odds are at some point there will be a good coloured racehorse. It will take a lot of money, time and no doubt there will be several truck loads of coloured failures but I'm sure it will happen and I hope i'm around to see it too.
 
ester said:
are they any good though as racehorses though ;) :p. I have to admit to not really seeing the point in having coloured racehorses if they can't run fast enough :D
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Totally agree. These coloured TBs only exist because someone has gone out of their way to breed them. The least important thing to any serious racehorse breeder is the colour.
 
i've met Modern Society. he's a nice enough chap but as a racehorse i don't know enough about racing to comment.

I don't see the big deal if people want to try and breed a coloured racehorse though. If anything theres prob more chance of them getting a good home if they fail than a bay
 
Just caught the end of that race on Ch4 - horse was last most the way round - didn't see where he finished. Bred for colour? He seemed outclassed in the race.
 
A coloured racehorse has to be 87.5% thoroughbred and Tb's aren't the only breed in the world that can run fast! I don't think you will ever get a good coloured sprinter but i think you could have a decent coloured stayer/jumper.
 
EKW said:
Every multi coloured horse that has raced has been shockingly bad at the job. And I'm not holding out much hope for the next generation of coloured racehorses. Sorry.
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They used to say that about grey TB race horses too!

Please peeps in UK if you can find where these colts/stallions are eventually at stud I wouold be thrilled - I want one to put over my Clydesdale mare.

The Native Dancer USA line has a colour gene, we have have had totally white TB's and Medicine hat TB's in NZ. USA closed their stud book much later than UK and there no doubt will have been some unusual coloured horses in the bloodlines way back.
The Opera House - sired by Zabeel
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And Legally White http://www.pedigreequery.com/legally+white
 
I bought my coloured mare from a yard in 2003 and they had a coloured wetherby's registered mare who had raced in April. She was laughed off the racecourse. I can imagine the same thing happening when someone created the TB.
 
Surely one of the best things about this though is that new genes are being brought into what is a fairly small pool in TBs? I've no idea how often this happens - for instance, are there recent Arabs in the lineage of modern racehorses i.e. is anyone deliberately introducing new genes without the added bonus of a flashy colour? And if people are dedicated enough about the colour, the coloured horses will get faster!
 
But the colour might be enough to provide the dedication to keep breeding these horses and therefore keep the new genes available, even if the horses are slow? I would think the publicity they attract would help make up for not winning, and if they keep being bred, at some point someone will breed a fast one, and imagine the publicity that would get - I would think there would be a huge amount of money there for that horse!
 
soloequestrian said:
Surely one of the best things about this though is that new genes are being brought into what is a fairly small pool in TBs? I've no idea how often this happens - for instance, are there recent Arabs in the lineage of modern racehorses i.e. is anyone deliberately introducing new genes without the added bonus of a flashy colour? And if people are dedicated enough about the colour, the coloured horses will get faster!
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Yes a greater gene pool needs to exist but when starting to create them you are better off starting with at least half decent TB's to cross with. Not your generic run of the mill, raced but was useless so turned into a broodmare horse. These are the ones that shouldn't be allowed to breed. I think that for a mare to be allowed to produce racing stock then she should have won at least 3 normal races OR got black type to her name. As for the un-raced mares their bloodlines would have to be exceptional before being allowed to breed unproven. That's how I would do it anywho.
 
As a colour breeder and breeder of rummy we had to choose from 3 mares when rummys mum came up, at the time 2007 we looked at the dam line which is a fairly strong black type and the third dam being milan mill so we elected to buy Angel this choice has proved good in that the dam of Angel is now Black type Angel her self was placed a few times but all her half sisters have been exported, to breed and have gone on to breed black type winner's even if they have done nothing them selves Dandoona, being a classic example she has bred a colt Dandified who has now won 6 black types in India then Angels half sister is Black type in Italy Angels second dam produced the Group 2 winner of the St Leger Italiano so I feel very lucky to have her as our foundation mare.
We now have a mare from David Barron who was injured she was a winner and two good 2nds she is by Mujahid and we hope this girl will cross well to Rummy so we will always strive for better and better
 
Madam Min said:
He was bred by a Mrs J E Hindley in Glazebury, Warrington, his first reg owner was a farrier called DJ Capper from whom he was named after on his passport.

He was 17.hh (like Lucky Dealer) and did have a very "throroughbredy" face and although he was tall, he had quite small neat feet. DJ is the horse on the right in my avatar
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Haha, Dave was my farrier a while ago, he sold up and went sailing on a boat he bought about 5 yrs ago.
 
Charem said:
I think at some point we will see a coloured race horse do well, whether it will be in our life time I don't know but I'm sure at some point it will happen.

You've only got to look at other horse sports to see that coloureds are now competing at high level.

Yes the colour is a novelty, but people like novelties (partcularly USA)and so I suspect there will be a small group of people who will try to breed a coloured winner. If an average coloured mare goes to a good stallion and has a coloured, you put that to another good mare/stallion, get a coloured eventually, put that to a good mare/stallion......eventually you will end up with a coloured race horse with some good racing blood.

Of course that is not enough, there are plenty of failed racehorses with outstanding breeding. I think it's 50 breeding and 50 having the will to win. Race horse breeding is such a lottery as it is. If it was just down to breeding there wouldnt be so many failed racehorses.

Im rambling, but im sure you get the gist. Odds are at some point there will be a good coloured racehorse. It will take a lot of money, time and no doubt there will be several truck loads of coloured failures but I'm sure it will happen and I hope i'm around to see it too.
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