Norway has banned foreign rescues

puppyalert said:
A decision was made that any animal transports using the tunnel from France to the UK could only have 10 dogs on board or 20 with permission. They did that due to safety reasons and the number of transporters over loading or/and entering the UK illegally. It makes good sense but one rescue who uses (have to say not as frequently as some) to bring dogs from both Romania and Portugal is encouraging their supporters to write/email with a view to over turn the decision made. They say in their write up their vehicle carries 50 dogs, yet their last transport from Portugal had 76 dogs on board. Then they wonder why restrictions are placed on all transports using the tunnel, they are part of the problem themselves. Here is what they wrote:- Many Tears Animal Rescue‎
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Yet again I am asking for the help of ALL true dog lovers. The Channel Tunnel powers to be decided that they would no longer accept more than 10 dogs per van or 20 by special agreement and vans like mine carry 50 plus.
I only go abroad a few times a year to rescue dogs but dogs coming from Romania etc. are coming in regularly to rescues here. These poor dogs are in DESPERATE need of help but the rescues cannot afford to pay for two or three vans to come that usually one would be enough to carry all. Not cramped but not a third empty either.
The rule makes no sense as if affordable three vans would need to be inspected not one. It just puts a huge strain on the rescues who fund the trips and MANY more dogs dying. So first of all if you can find me the best address to write to or email to get attention and I will write and pass this on so all can follow suit with letters or emails. Please email me this at swvanatta@gmail.com.
Secondly even if the rescues paid a little extra for customs time it would be worth it, so suggest please suggest this in your letters.
I am not asking for help for me, but for the thousands of dogs that will suffer because of this rule. If you care please help. With enough public feeling maybe we can make a difference but thousands of letters or emails will be needed.
Thank you
Sylvia[/QUO

That is absolutely outrageous 76 dogs, are they trying to get as many in before Brexit.

So who looks after all these dogs when they are in transit, I know dogs are not walked in transit but they do have rest periods where they are fed.watered and cleaned out, imagine doing 76 dogs, its obscene and must have strong welfare issues too and its being done by a rescue who are not actually a charity but a LTD company as far as I know.
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Clodagh said:
But I understand that it is not a reliable test, so is it worth getting it redone I wonder? (Genuinely curious here).
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If its the elissa test I think thats what its called it is unreliable as it can be affected by the dogs stress levels, I dont actually know what it was but will ask my vet here for their opinion. I did take her for her booster and they didnt mention it although I took her passport and all her documentation for them to read.
 
Dobiegirl said:
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That is absolutely outrageous 76 dogs, are they trying to get as many in before Brexit.

So who looks after all these dogs when they are in transit, I know dogs are not walked in transit but they do have rest periods where they are fed.watered and cleaned out, imagine doing 76 dogs, its obscene and must have strong welfare issues too and its being done by a rescue who are not actually a charity but a LTD company as far as I know.
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I bet the poor things just have to go in their cages, no one person could cope with that many. Still as you say it makes a nice private income.
 
Clodagh said:
But I understand that it is not a reliable test, so is it worth getting it redone I wonder? (Genuinely curious here).
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the trouble with leish (and certain other parasites/diseases) is that you can get false negatives (you can in any test, thats biology for you) but leish can have a very long incubation period due to the nature of the disease. So yearly testing after import is the only way to be sure-diagnosis isn't simple.

https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/infectious-parasitic/c_dg_leishmaniasis?page=show

https://www.bsava.com/Resources/Veterinary-resources/Scientific-information/Leishmaniosis
 
There is an ELISA and a PCR test, I don't know which one they use pre-import generally MoC might know more than me? Both would be affected by that fact that it can have such a long incubation period without clinical disease.

lol MoC got there while I was typing.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
the trouble with leish (and certain other parasites/diseases) is that you can get false negatives (you can in any test, thats biology for you) but leish can have a very long incubation period due to the nature of the disease. So yearly testing after import is the only way to be sure-diagnosis isn't simple.

https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/infectious-parasitic/c_dg_leishmaniasis?page=show

https://www.bsava.com/Resources/Veterinary-resources/Scientific-information/Leishmaniosis
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I wonder how many people do though? And also when cute fluffy is diagnosed as positive what can you do about it? Try not to let him go near biting insects as you don't want it to spread to your neighbours dog?
 
Clodagh said:
I wonder how many people do though? And also when cute fluffy is diagnosed as positive what can you do about it? Try not to let him go near biting insects as you don't want it to spread to your neighbours dog?
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At the moment, it can't be transmitted to other dogs in the UK-it needs the sandfly host to be spread. Likewise it cannot be spread to humans from an infected dog. As with other vector-borne diseases the worry is that climate change will allow the vectors to be introduced and thrive in the UK. You know, like long hot summers ;).

Interestingly, in the US vertical transmission now occurs (i.e. bitch to pups) in foxhounds.

So at the moment the threat to people and other dogs in the UK is minimal but IMHO, being a parasitologist an' all-its just a matter of time. IME many owners are being misled as to what living with leish means emotionally and financially and are not fully informed about it. Leish affected dogs are likely to come from Mediterranean countries-alot of ex hunting dogs in those countries for example. The Eastern European dogs not afaik.
 
Sussexbythesea said:
charmingly one is also food aggressive on top of not liking, other dogs, cats or children! One wonders what lucky person will take him on?
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I took on a dog exactly like this from DT some years ago. Turned out to be a great family dog outside of kennels.
All dogs, no matter where from or what age, require imput and training.
It seems a shame that UK rescues can't be more flexible about working owners. Being left for 4 - 6 hours a day, in a warm, comfortable home is surely better than spending 23 hours a day in kennels.
I don't agree with importing rescue dogs as the problems of unwanted dogs remains in their home country. Education and neutering would be a far better investment of funds IMO.
 
I am fully of the opinion that there are enough dogs in rescue here wanting homes, and as much as I feel for all the foreign dogs, ours should come first. I also know, when I was looking for a companion for Aled, every dog I liked the look of, was only recommended for an only pet household. That aside, it is highly unlikely that any rescue will re-home to us, as despite having a very large secure garden, we both work full time. In the end we got a puppy. Our circumstances did change not long after we got her, and in hind sight we wouldn’t have got her, but we have adapted things, the dogs go to mums a couple of times a week all day, and on the other days, OH comes home from work during the day to let them out, take them for a walk etc, plus our neighbour will let them out for us and spend a bit of time with them if we can’t get home as happened when we broke down in the car at the weekend. (It is very unusual that they aren’t out with us at the weekends.

When Aled goes, I still wouldn’t adopt a foreign dog, especially having read about the diseases etc on this post. I was fully aware of rabies, but don’t really know much about leishmania. I will have a google. I will try local rescue, but the chances are we will get another puppy.
 
Clodagh said:
Couldn't agree more. Same work, housetraining, socialising etc.
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You are assuming they are all “street dogs” but they’re not. Also they have been much more socialised than most rescue dogs here plus being fully vaccinated and older they do not have to wait to be socialised.
 
amymay said:
It isn't, obviously. Having a dog full stop is a commitment.
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I am fully committed. I’ve had enough experience of dogs to know what they need it’s hardly rocket science although from all the conversations on here re raw vs cooked etc. you’d think it was.
 
my sister got a puppy which had been imported and the documents which came with him seemed a little suspect as the age stated on his passport seemed wrong and it wasnt clear if he had all his jabs so she started again and knows he is definitely covered. it seems that all of these imported dogs have paperwork to suggest that they are fully vaccinated but i have my doubts after seeing my sister's pups papers....
 
Sussexbythesea said:
I am fully committed. I’ve had enough experience of dogs to know what they need it’s hardly rocket science although from all the conversations on here re raw vs cooked etc. you’d think it was.
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No, it isn't rocket science and I do aagree that we love to over complicate things, but of course a pup is as much work as an adult rescue, except hopefully housetraining wioll get there quicker. I am not especially arguing with you but you are someone to reply to!
I would ask though, why import what is essentially a spaniel, when there really are 100s over here looking for homes and people like Spaniel Aid are very open minded about working households.
 
amymay said:
Out of interest, as we don't have dandflies in this country, why is Leishmania a concern?
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And also because it's expensive to treat and treatment efficacy is very hit and miss. We have a Leisch dog at our vet practice that came to us because previous vets had recommended euthanasia. It was in a miserable state, poor thing. It's now under control and doing well, but will be on life long medication and will probably flare up again.
 
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