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why do people tar them all with the same brush? i have seen several wanted ad's with no tb's on it. now i own 2 one of which you could put your 90yr old granny or you baby on he is very safe and steady. and the other is slightly more lively and would need a more experienced rider.

but why do people go "oh its a thoroughbred it must be a nutcase"

sorry rant over
 
Maybe they just don't like TB's?

Personal prefence?

If I put up a wanted ad it would say 'no cobs' not because I think they are all dull plods....OH has one and she's not that at all......they are simply not my type and don't set the heart racing.
 
Its a stereotype, just like saying arabs are ' flighty' and welsh sec D's are headstrong.

Most people know not all horses are the same, re the TB though it may be again because they are thought of as lightweight whereas someone may want something chunky. Just some thoughts.
 
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I suppose some people can't let go of stereotypes. However, even if (as in your case) the "no cobs" would be caused by aesthetic preference, some sellers would be bound to read it as "she subscribers to the stereotype that all cobs are boring plods".
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simple personal preference?

I had a TB when i was younger and he was ace, but now i look for chunkier horses simple because i like chunkier (more to hang onto). If i found a lovely middle/heavy weight(although unlikely) TB then i wouldn't rule it out as a potential new horse.
 
I guess it's the common misconception that TBs are a bit daft and excitable and require regular exercise.

To be fair I do know TBs exactly like that as well as I know other non TBs who are looneys. I think people do feel a TB may need more exercising or that they are not as hardy as the heinz 57 types!

I wouldn't go for full TB generally unless it was quite chunky and a more NH type - nice big head etc. and had some white markings. But then maybe that's cos I like different coloured horses and tend to stay away from solid bays etc. I like duns or nicely marked coloureds.

Each to their own I guess.
 
If they put no tb's then they shouldn't have one. Somepeople arn't suited to certan types of horses and tb have a bad reputation because the wrong people buy them. It's the same with arabs i know alot of people who wouldn't touch them with a barge pole but if owned by the right person they are one of the most loyal breeds you could find.
Saying this i will only have a pony if it is a british native as they are my type of pony. Welshies rule
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I guess its because of what they are like on the course, and what they are like on the TV.
I had a TB on loan, and she was calmer than the cob on the yard. Everyine use to say that one her ACP pills would wear off soon!!
Yes some TB's are highly strung, but then I have seen what the Ploddy-Cob can be like on its favourite hack!!
 
It's outrageous!!!!

My Monty is perfect.............apart from the spooking, stressiness, weaving and weight loss..............ok maybe not perfect.

But Zoom is perfect............apart from the jogging, giraffe impressions and generally fizziness.

Goddamitt......I'm getting a cob!
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is a not a stereotype though because most tb's are a little sharp?

its not exactly an urban myth is it? i say that having had plenty of tb's myself. the majority have a bit of spirit and some riders don't want that.

also they may have said no tb's because they are a bit overweight or something and want a bit of a weight carrier?
 
Because more TBs are difficult to keep weight on in winter than non-TBs (see all the posts on this forum on this subject)

Because more TBs are not novice rides than cross breds. And by their very nature, they are faster than other horses, so a spook from a cob will be easy to sit where the same size of spook from a TB will have you on the floor.

Because TBs which have been broken at 18 months and raced at 2 and 3 don't usually stay sound, or alive, nearly as long as other horses. On top of that they often have terrible flat feet which grow very slowly and their shoes drop off regularly

Because if a TB gets a tiny nick its whole leg blows up as if it's going to drop off. They have a marvellous ability to turn a drama into a crisis.

I love TBs and there are loads and loads of really good ones out there. But buying one has more uncertainty than buying a cross bred, especially if it was race-trained. I used to buy an ex racer once a year and retrain it and sell it. I stopped when it got too difficult to find them a good home, because they were so out of favour.
 
It may be personal preference. Again, I'm not a say, friesian kinda person. I'm sticking with TB's and WB's/sport horses. Not that I won't ride other types, just for my own horses..those are what I like. I have ridden friesians, yeah..and I'll ride them for people but never in my life would I buy one.

The other thing is most stereotypes are born of truth
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So while you do get super calm tb's, there are plenty who are true to type and sellers aren't always honest. Also, I've found often even pretty chilled tb's have their moments, its in their blood and some people don't want to be constantly waiting for that.

I'm with you though
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Personally, I think if people gave them more of a chance they might be surprised. But hey..more for us
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Because more TBs are difficult to keep weight on in winter than non-TBs (see all the posts on this forum on this subject)

Because more TBs are not novice rides than cross breds. And by their very nature, they are faster than other horses, so a spook from a cob will be easy to sit where the same size of spook from a TB will have you on the floor.

Because TBs which have been broken at 18 months and raced at 2 and 3 don't usually stay sound, or alive, nearly as long as other horses. On top of that they often have terrible flat feet which grow very slowly and their shoes drop off regularly

Because if a TB gets a tiny nick its whole leg blows up as if it's going to drop off. They have a marvellous ability to turn a drama into a crisis.


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I don't agree with any of that,

1) both of my TB are looking very well can't see there ribs etc. everyone just need to learn what there horses needs.

2) my gelding is a novice ride and a confidence giver at that. as for spooking i would say its easier to stay on a tb.

3) my 18yr old is still going strong, he raced for 6 yrs and has very good feet which grow quickly my farrier absolutely love both of there feet, the cob he does on my yard on the other hand has very poor feet. my mare raced as a 2 yr old and hasn't had any leg or feet problem and is now 9

4) again i haven't experienced these problems with either of mine. yes they get nicks and bumps like every horse but not any worse that the cobs on the yard.
 
It is the generalisation of them though.
Most of the TB's I have ridden have actually been very nice sane horses and no sharper than any of my cross breeds or warmbloods. However all the TB's I know are alot harder to keep weight on - not that they have been poor but need alot more feed to keep their weight on. Also all except one has struggled with niggling injuries. I would agree that not all are like this but from my experience alot are.
 
My 2 TB ex racers are the most chilled out horses I have. They have both had complete beginners on, and they are the only horses my Mother will hack out! Both are living out this winter with no problems. And I have had less lameness problems with my TB's than my 2 warmbloods. And to cap it all they both have pretty good BE records!!!!!!!!
 
If they didn't want a TB because they wanted something that could carry some weight, it would be easier just to say they wanted a weight-carrying horse... or they'd have to list a load of other lightweight horses like Arabs as well. (Incidentally, I'm not the lightest of jockeys (
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) and the 16.2hh TB on our yard carries me just as comfortably as my heavy heavyweight cob - mind you, he's not a really fine-boned TB.)

I think everyone agrees that stereotypes are often based in truth, but at the same time everyone agrees that stereotypes are not always true. Like Kitsune said, at least she's not wasting people's time if she's really set against a TB. Some people just irrationally don't like certain breeds, be it because of aesthetics or stereotypes or whatever. I'm sure Basset Hounds are lovely dogs but I'd never buy one - they're just not my kind of dog!
 
I would proabably never have a tb again after owning ponies.

My mum bred quite a few tbs and some were good some were a nightmare. They all had there moments (fairly frequently!) without exception. They all took a substantial amount of food to keep weight on, and that was just living out and not ridden. My ponies stay a good weight on 1/3 - 1/2 the hay and no hard feed and look great, they are tough and stay sound. dont get themselves 'into trouble' or injure themselves on nothing. They have brilliant feet and will probably never need shoeing.

the only downside is that they are little escape artists and are very clever. our tb's never learnt to get through their elec fence but the ponies grab the gate handles in their mouth and undo it or pull up the plastic posts!!

my nf pony cost me £80 as a foal , and i can safely say it was the best £80 ive ever spent in my life! cant wait to break him in this year!!
 
I was the one that put this in my earlier post...I just wouldn't want one for my first horse but would maybe consider in the future...
 
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Thats made me chuckle cos I've been looking at the pic of the gorgeous pup in the dog section thinking i'd love one. ( not sure my bulldog would though )
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I suppose some people can't let go of stereotypes. However, even if (as in your case) the "no cobs" would be caused by aesthetic preference, some sellers would be bound to read it as "she subscribers to the stereotype that all cobs are boring plods".
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Lol! Well, OH's mare isnt a boring plod...she done team chasing and xc.....I quite like riding her occasionally, and I can admire a good stamp of breed etc etc....in fact some are gorgeous....but I wouldnt want to own one IYKWIM. OH has offered me his mare when mine pops-his-hooves ( he's knocking on a bit but very fit and healthy at the minute) but TBH......I wouldnt want her...I know thats awful but I would prefer to go out shopping for my preference....pretty-looking twig-legged girly-boys
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I cant see the prob. If they dont want a TB they dont want a TB.. I have known good and bad TB's. They have been bred over hundreds of years for one purpose and thats to be fast - not everyones cup of tea
 
I think if more tb's were treated like horses instaed of porcelain dolls I'm pretty sure they would 'do' better.

Mine lives out 24/7/365 alongside my natives. Yes he needs a rug unlike them but apart from that he is treated no different. He has a token feed and ad lib hay and/or grass daily. Perhaps if he'd lived like this all his life he wouldn't be the cribbing windsucking, grouchy sod that he can be now...
 
personal preferance id imagine.
i specifically wanted a TB so asked only for TB's, but i definately wouldnt ever consider a cob, a friesan, a quarter horse, a native etc etc etc, just dont float my boat. nothing wrong with that, so i wouldnt get so worked up...

my wanted ad did specifically say NO MARES, so im sure i offended some people with lovely mares but i just dont get on with them and didnt want one-again personal preferance.
 
Now, this is the thing - if a horse comes out of race training sound as a pound, you might just have found a very sound horse.

In my home area of Scotland I'm quite near perth and I know that race trainers start them later there as a general rule, and as such they're much more likely to stay sound.

Additionally, they mature much faster than cold-blooded breeds - so you can't apply the rules for a Welsh D who won't stop growing till 7 or 8 to a TB.

I honestly believe they are very honest & intellegent horses, and that because of that they're a super choice for a certain type of rider who gets on well with forward thinking horses - novice or not. Even laid-back TBs are generally forward thinkers - do you understand what I mean? I haven't explained myself well at all.

I don't think they're a great choice for people who ride aggressively and don't pay enough attention to the horse's mentality, though they could get far more out of a stubborn gelding than I ever could!

However, what I would say is that stereotypes contain some truth - I didn't realise my Westphalian mare was from mainly Trakehner bloodlines and honestly the 'trickiness' isn't a lie - took me longer than I'd have liked to work out how to get the best from her but I have never encountered a more 'in tune' horse so even the downsides have upsides.

SORRY this is such a long ramble...
 
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Thats made me chuckle cos I've been looking at the pic of the gorgeous pup in the dog section thinking i'd love one. ( not sure my bulldog would though )
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LOL.... having spent the last 35 years of my life with a pack of bassets and after owning 2 TB's ( both exracers) I don't think I stand a hope any more!!
 
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Its a stereotype, .........welsh sec D's are headstrong.


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headstrong...mine certainly likes to challenge my decisions from time to time, but thats her right afterall, she's an intelligent, section d with opinions! haha
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I would never choose a pure TB again after this winter. I peronally keep welsh ponies and am used to thier hardiness.

My yard manager purchased a 3 year old in late October straight off the track. Locely natured quiet mare but dropping weight rapidly. Allso, as a favour for a friend I took on a lame older ex eventing TB in November,he also has a kissing spine. Basically I have got him sound. The have both got bad feet, suffer from mudfever and although rugeed up to the eyey balls are dropping weight fast. They have loads of grass, bedded down huge shelters, ad lib haylage and 2 conditioning feeds daily........they're still dropping. Also, they are fine skinned and rub easily.

Can't wait till Spring till I can kick them off home!! Give me hardier types any day!!
 
TB's are defo an acquired taste. I love them for the challenges they present but I recently had a vetting on a TB that had raced, and it's, previously undetected leg damage prevented me from buying it. So now, I'm put off exracers, but not TB's per se
I have another TB that's so forward going she makes for a fantastic and exciting ride.
Any other breeds I've had in the past have been dead to the leg and bored me to death but have been steady types.
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I think people's preferences are determined by their experiences, and no types of horse are always the same, whatever the breed. People's judgement will always have some subjectivity, reinforce by chinese whispers and their own personal experience.
 
I have a number of TBs and frankly none of mine are like your two. Mine are all hotheads and all are total wallflowers at the first sight of blood. TBs really are an aquired taste and more often than not do require considerate handling. These are big horses and combined with a somewhat irrational behaviour pattern I can quite understand why many people would not want one. I have mine for a purpose to which they perform well but they are not for everyone so Im surprised you are surprised because in my experience the vast majority of TBs would be described as nutcases, although I prefer to think of them as special needs horses!
 
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