Nosebleed advice please-anyone had similar?

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My 27yr old TB mare who I've owned & loved for 20 years is scaring me again!

She has had a bright red but intermittently watery nosebleed since saturday, NOT bilateral, constant & clotty at times but not ever enough really to leave the nostril. Found a vet who could scope but on the eve before she had slowed to breaks with no blood, so vet said monitor & hold off with the scope.

Wednesday we had a cleaner nose day after a clean nose wed eve tho still going.

Yesterday there were three shorter but thicker clots as opposed to the 5inch on mon & three inch tues am-only 1mm & 0.5mm thick.

Yesterday(thurs) eve I spotted a slight thickening on the same side on her forehead, directly below the inside of her ear when pricked foreward on the rounded padded part approx 1mm thicker than the other side so barely noticeable but that felt spongier, so possible some form of blood/pus or fluid underneath & an entry/exit wound.

Spoke to my normal vet last night & hoping its caused by a knock rather than tumors or sinus issues.

She tollerates me touching it & can get a hollow sound from the gutteral pouch areas below the eyes if I tap.

No odour from nose or mouth. Started her on a 5 day course of Norodine antibiotics and have upper her Apple Cider Vinegar(natural antibiotic, thinking there is possibly a link to a healed scratch on her neck, same side that appeared just prior to the bleed but was only superficial & congealed scratch type when I found it..& so that it will clear up with antib's.

Would any of you still be scoping? Funds very tight as just had a £1000 bill for my MOT this week to find by monday.Not been a good year!

I *had* thought the blood flow was reducing, but think she may have an infection similar to my hip wound the other day.(got attacked by an invisible Ninja who made one of my horses use me as a landing pad & had a huge yukky infection come up despite thinking I'd picked out all the grit tho cleared with anti b's)

I do use zoopharmacognosy in addition to veterinary meds so have offered her various things & she's taking more interest in carrotseed oil & lavender as well as more interested than usual in mentha pepperita but has that available regardless as standard for all mine since our earlier scares this year(same mare). Anyone have any extra experiences they can relate to with this?

Thank you in advance xx
 
How is she in herself?

My old boy used to get nosebleeds abit on and off for a few years, one after his best field buddy was PTS and another time it just happened randomly. Does the vet seem concerned or recommend scoping? My concern would be that shes an old girl and you most prob dont want her messed with for the sake of it.
Hope she feels better soon x
 
I hope you find an answer as my boy has has a nose bleed since last friday.

He has been scoped 3 times and vet can't find anything, thought it might be something further down his sinuses, but would need an xray to find out, so his nose has been packed to see if that stops the dripping. If not, he is off to be referred to a head specialist.

He has no visible bumps or injuries on his head. I have no idea why this has started. Very worrying.
 
Just a thought...... but my TB used to get them around harvest time due to excess dust and pollen in the air, never had them at any other time of the year. The only thing we were advised to do was to ride him either early in the morning or late evening.
 
A scope should only cost a couple of hundred pounds - I'd want to know that blood wasn't coming from the guttural pouches.

Having had a horse have guttural pouch mycosis, the fact that you get a hollow sound means nothing. I'd be worried that the blood is bright red - can mean arterial. Guttural pouch mycosis can present with warning bleeds. It can be fatal, and I’d recommend to anyone to get it checked – better to be safe, than sorry.

This was my boy's stable after his internal carotid artery ruptured…..every wall was like this, the floor inside and outside his stable was a puddle of blood….it’s a miracle he is still alive and not something I would leave to chance!

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Hello, thank you all..on phone so can't quote & my brain will turn into puree if I try to remember names after this week..

Blimey those pics are horriffic..her bleeding is not even enough to leave the nostril as such but thank you for the other info.
.got second opinion and both agreed (yes on phone) that antibiotics were the plan & that as it seems to be slowing a head
injury/trauma is most likely. Neither want to scope unless necessary ie if it doesn't clear up with the antibiotics, and to keep
her head down & help it drain that way-apparently (according to a lovely vet who specialises in fiberoptic endoscopy for
weird situations, frontal head injuries can sometimes take a week to clear of all the blood..it can sometimes build up in the
sinus & in theory drain with use of antibiotics. As someone also said earlier,because of her age, I agree that i'm not keen
to scope unless it doesn't keep reducing because it can cause more bleeds. Thank you for the info about gutteral pouches..
I've been sniffing her nose & mouth 4 times a day when feeding so as yet, nothing remotely unpleasant. Only thing now I'm
wondering is whether the pollen situation is adding to another problem ie a trauma from head injury as that won't help.
To answer another question one of you asked, she is (and has throughout)eating up well & very bright in herself.
The only thing I have noticed that was unusual, two eves since sat(the warmer days, i think tues & wed) in the eves when
I fed & led her out to the field to turn out,she would walk along the flat field & give two coughs just before cantering off
down the hill. the second day she had a further two coughs & a snort at the bottom but nothing more after..and no other
coughing..I was particularly short of breath or finding it harder to breath on both those days which is what made me think
sinousy/polleny problem. Re the massacre pics, we've not had any blood drops touch the ground or any other surface!
-just to clarify!..but glad to hear your horse recovered well(and thank you for terrifying me!;-) ) To the poster who said
they had three scopes for similar, please can we keep in touch with your progress..feel free to pm me or hijack this thread-
I hope your horse makes a swift & speedy recovery & its nothing horrid.
Can everything PLEASE stop getting broken???
 
Hi - it was my horse that has been scoped 3 times. Pack came out today and bleeding seems to have abated. It is now more clear than bloody. I have everything crossed that it will have dried up by the morning. Still going to xray him, after the weekend, just in case there is something sinister lurking. Its been so stressful, for me and him, although he is eating well and is his usual bright self. He does suffer with the pollen, but vet isn't convinced that is the cause. *fingers crossed for speedy recoveries of our beloved horses*
 
Serephin said:
Hi - it was my horse that has been scoped 3 times. Pack came out today and bleeding seems to have abated. It is now more clear than bloody. I have everything crossed that it will have dried up by the morning. Still going to xray him, after the weekend, just in case there is something sinister lurking. Its been so stressful, for me and him, although he is eating well and is his usual bright self. He does suffer with the pollen, but vet isn't convinced that is the cause. *fingers crossed for speedy recoveries of our beloved horses*
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W had a day like that day before yesterday..it was almost gone but then worse (as per my op). I'm praying they both clear up asap
& have no further issues..my vet suggested echinacea as well as antibiotics, to help boost her immune system, can't hurt to give it a try. Good luck
with xrays & I hope nothing sinister -how old is your boy?
 
I don't agree with your vet on this one, saying that you should hold off the scoping. If I were you I would get it done asap.

My girl came in a couple of years ago from the field and her nose was pouring - puddles all over the stable floor, walls, in her field mate's mane (I originally thought he had been stabbed!). The bleeding stopped after twenty mins or so, but I had around three towels and numerous sponges which were completely drenched in blood. She was scoped the next morning, and thankfully it was just mild trauma which had caused a blood vessel to burst. But if your girl has had this as an ongoing thing over days then I would definately scope asap to determine the cause. It certainly sounds like it needs investigating further.
 
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