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Hi my first rant, what do you think of this situation , I pay £130 per month for stable and grazing as apposed to £70 at the last yard (moved due to riding) my horse and all the others had to be kept in due to a shoot yesterday , and today when i arrived ive found out that they have to come in dinner time due to the thaw, to protect grass , then i was told tomorrow and the next day , i have a highly strung horse that hates being in . I rang YO who said he reserves the right to do this as its on the contract , its actually says on the contract that they will have shoots not anything about protecting the fields, the problem is most people moan about grass in summer so he is trying to preserve it and that the roots dont get ripped up, fair enough but i believe if this does happen that there should be alternative grazing , i have been offered to put mine into a stubble field with electric fencing for a short while , great a solution the only thing is i dont have any or a unit and im told its my responsibility to provide this what do you think is this taking the piss considering the cost of rent , also ive never known im all my years this to happen especially as this is the dearest yard ive been at ???????
 
Ah the old 'preserve the grazing' routine. Usually reserved for those that overstock and don't manage their land effectively. In other words 'A crock of .......'

I'd be moving again I'm afraid.
 
I have to say that mine are in due to the weather and I'm fine with that as I want to protect the grazing too. I can see your point of view, but it seems a little short sighted to me. Move if you're that angry.
 
Um, to be honest I wouldn't mind if it was in the interests of looking fter the land for subsequent grazing. Surely you can stick a calmer down his neck for a few days to keep the peace?
 
Would they let you turn out in the school while the normal turnout is restricted? Or could someone on the yard lend you some electric fencing?
 
I do sympathise, but this weather has been exceptional and a lot of yards have had to limit turn out. TBH £130 per month is about the going rate round here for a good DIY yard, especially if the riding is good. When you moved to this yard were you guaranteed all year round turn out? If not, then I am afraid you will just have to make the best of things or find somewhere else for next winter. At least you had been able to turn out a bit. How do the other liveries feel? Perhaps you could get together and buy a fencer unit between you?
 
I don't know where you are but you are not on an expensive yard or paying above the odds. I think it all sounds perfectly normal to me and I certainly wouldn't have taken a second glance at what is happening. Be grateful you are getting turnout at the moment, there are lots of people in a far worst off position than you at the minute.
I think the YO sounds very good and he has to protect paddocks for everyone not just yourself. It takes a bit of give and take on yards i'm afraid and you have to work together to what is best for everyone.
I'm afraid if you don't like it, you might need to go on your own.
 
Oh dear, heaven forbid the grass gets damaged! Lets wrap each leaf blade up til spring eh?!

I think he needs to dedicate a field for trashing tbh. Ours gets very muddy every winter, and deep but come spring when its drier it gets harrowed and rolled and within a month or so its almost back to normal with no management. If I managed it more (by seeding etc) I dare say by may you'd never know it had been muddy.

Can you borrow some electric fencing, I don't think it costs mega bucks and could be worth investing in if this is going to happen each year?
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I'd move yards - obviously poor management at this one! As for who said stick a clamer down its neck -when on earth did this become the norm to do to any horse?!

Honestly, this is one of my biggest bug bears about this forum - too many people calmer happy. I have never ever had to use a calmer to manage any of our horses we've had over the years so I can't understand why people think this is the solution to everything!!
 
I don't disagree with the trash field but it is unual to get one on a livery yard. The problem is if he doesn't protect what they have now, and bear in mind, they are getting turnout just not all day for a few days, then he will have everyone else up in arms when they have crap fields in the summer.
 
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I don't disagree with the trash field but it is unual to get one on a livery yard. The problem is if he doesn't protect what they have now, and bear in mind, they are getting turnout just not all day for a few days, then he will have everyone else up in arms when they have crap fields in the summer.

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Why is there an assumption that the fields will be trash in the summer? Providing the land is well managed throughout the year there is absolutely no reason why the fields won't be fine in the summer.
 
Our horses our out all day - 2 are out 24/7. Our field is separated into two. In the winter months they have used of all of the field but we shut off one half about now so they are restricted to the other. Come April time they will go out 24/7 and go in the field that has been rested and will not come back in the other one for a good month or two and, when they do that will be sectioned off with electric fence.

All the liveries near us turn out every day and rotate their paddocks - surely it is not that hard to do and is something anybody running a livery yard should be doing?

As Sally Smith said as well, why is their an assumption fields get trashed?
 
True but I would say the land is being well managed. I am assuming this because I don't know the place but I mean, they are not saying no turnout, and a lot of places are at the moment, they are just limiting the amount of time spent out there which in turn would probably limit the gate hovering and hoolies which in turn leads to that horrid rutted gate way and field where you nearly break your ankle in the summer when it's rock hard.
I am not disagreeing with you at all but I do understand where the YO is coming from and I think the OP, in the weather we have had, is doing alright.
 
So the yard owner has allowed turn out till lunch time for 3 days & offered you an alternative of turn out in the stubble field which you are also unhappy with as you will have to buy some electric fencing? Sorry, but it is only 3 days, surely it is better to take care of the grazing, & from his point of view avoid people moaning in the summer? He hasn't said you cannot turn out at all & has offered you an alternative, if you are that worried then buy some electric fencing, then you will have it if you need it again.
 
my field always gets "trashed" in the winter! but guess what, it grows back in the spring!

LadyT- totally agree with the calmers, can't image it does them much good tbh
 
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So the yard owner has allowed turn out till lunch time for 3 days & offered you an alternative of turn out in the stubble field which you are also unhappy with

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I'd be unhappy turning out in a stubble field at this time of year too.......
 
fields get trashed in winter but in spring the grass always grows back & no doubt a lot will be complaining of too much grass.... I think a lot of people forget horses don't need lush knee deep fields, I would prefer poor grazing that I can supplement with feed
 
Sorry but not all paddocks pick up in the spring. My land is light sand so I have the double problem of trashed in winter no grass hot summer grass burns off, so no grass. So I have to manage them so the horses can go out each day with out doing too much damage I hope.So YO is doing the right thing for all the liveries
 
But he didn't say she had to turn out in the stubble field, he offered an alternative because she was complaining that she could only turn out till lunchtime for the next 3 days. Personally no, I wouldn't want to turn out in a stubble field, but the YO was just trying to be helpful & ensure he had grazing for all the liveries over the summer.
 
We weren't allowed to turn out for the first few days of the snow, mainly to prevent injuries, and if we have heavy rain they have to stay in for a day or so, just to stop the fields getting too boggy, but we can turn out in the school. My last yard I have heard are not allowing any turnout at all during the snow, and there is no gate on the school so they can't turn out in there either, so their horses have now been in with no excercise for nearly 2 weeks. I'm much better off where I am now and I pay half of what I was!
 
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Ah the old 'preserve the grazing' routine. Usually reserved for those that overstock and don't manage their land effectively. In other words 'A crock of .......'

I'd be moving again I'm afraid.

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I agree, if they overstock then this becomes a problem, they should manage the land and numbers better, I would move
 
hi many thanks for all your replys , i would def not drug my horse up with calmer , and am grateful for the offer of the stubble field, which in my eyes is a helpful solution but it it not my place to buy fencing when i pay rent , grazing and water comes with fencing i presume. I also do feel those of you who suggested too many horses not enough land are right, there are no alternative fields that are rested for later use. Im not use to the restrictions on turnout , im not the only one who is unhappy and as for other liveries they all seem to get what they want , i was also told if im not happy then i should approach YO which i did and he gave me help.
 
I had to buy electric fencing when my pony had laminitis at my old yard. That was the only way for him to go out and since he was not in a condition to be moved really, i payed it. It was worth it to get him out. There we only had 2 hours turnout in winter from oct - april, if we were lucky! We had shoots as well as the YM not letting us turn out at all for days on end in bad weather, with no alternatives! So if you can turn out till dinnertime, i dont think thats too bad.

I don't know if its same where you are but around me alot of yards limit the time allowed out in winter, with very few allowing all day turnout.
 
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