Not for the faint hearted
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hatters
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Rollkur at its finest
FrodoBeutlin
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wot a tit whats he trying to prove im sure hes ankys husband maybe wrong
but hes an arse hole ideot
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No, he is trained by Anky's husband...he is a Swedish rider married (or about to marry) an Australian GP rider...IIRC Laura B has recently bought a horse from him, it would be interesting to know if he trains all horses like that or if Scandic is an exception.
The video is sickening.
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No, he is trained by Anky's husband...he is a Swedish rider married (or about to marry) an Australian GP rider...IIRC Laura B has recently bought a horse from him, it would be interesting to know if he trains all horses like that or if Scandic is an exception.
The video is sickening.
NeedNewHorse
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Yes, that was horrible to watch.
The horse was trapped in a horrible position and looked so forced and awkward. Not how Dressage is supposed to look to an utter novice like me, it's supposed to flow and seem effortless, yet to me this looked horrible and not with 'one with the horse'
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The horse was trapped in a horrible position and looked so forced and awkward. Not how Dressage is supposed to look to an utter novice like me, it's supposed to flow and seem effortless, yet to me this looked horrible and not with 'one with the horse'
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Sussexbythesea
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I find it absolutely horrific - there is no way this sort of so-called training should be justified. It makes me soo angry.
You don't need scientific experts to tell you its wrong its as plain as day that it is. I am going right off dressage - all I think about when I watch it now is - I wonder what these horses are being put through to get to this level. My instructor told me the other day that a locally well-known dressage rider horse had bloody spur marks on her horse and she actually went into the ring - at least she was eliminated but I don't think she got a ban or any other punishment. - its disgraceful.
You don't need scientific experts to tell you its wrong its as plain as day that it is. I am going right off dressage - all I think about when I watch it now is - I wonder what these horses are being put through to get to this level. My instructor told me the other day that a locally well-known dressage rider horse had bloody spur marks on her horse and she actually went into the ring - at least she was eliminated but I don't think she got a ban or any other punishment. - its disgraceful.
Toast
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I cannot actually fathom, how nobody said anything to him, or that nobody actually dragged him off the poor beast!
And it sickens me, that he stopped to push the horses tongue back in his mouth. I imagine it had gone numb with the pain. x
And it sickens me, that he stopped to push the horses tongue back in his mouth. I imagine it had gone numb with the pain. x
somethingorother
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I feel sick reading this again. I thought it would go away, but the actual nausea i feel is getting worse, the more i think about it.
Puppy
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Disgusting beyond words!!
It really makes my blood boil!
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Hedgewitch13
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He needs his fecking hands cut off
Fahrenheit
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Well I am going to say exactly what I said on the other thread about it, yes the horse is working in hyperflexion (his head isn't pinned down in this video) but I suspect the blue tongue has nothing to do with the hyperflexion, more that the horse has put his tongue over one of the bits, when the rider notices he puts it back in and then the horse carries on working... I have watched the video several times through woithout getting distressed about it, after the tongue has been put back in the horse is very settled in the mouth and doesn't seem distressed at all, I don't think this video is a good video to use for a case against rollkur/hyperflexion and if you want to make a case against the rider then you need to see the session prior and after this short video to make a fair judgement.
JanetGeorge
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Well I am going to say exactly what I said on the other thread about it, yes the horse is working in hyperflexion (his head isn't pinned down in this video) but I suspect the blue tongue has nothing to do with the hyperflexion, more that the horse has put his tongue over one of the bits,
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Well I've seen (and ridden) a lot of horses that get tongues over bits (usually racehorses) and I've NEVER seen one whose tongue has gone blue as a result! In fact the ONLY time I've seen a horse's tongue that blue was when it had been 'tied down' (to stop it getting its tongue over.) The tool of choice for this job used to be a length of ladies' stocking and you had to be careful that it wasn't tied too tight - somebody wasn't!!
And I'd defy anyone to correct a tongue over bit situation as easily as he did. A HEALTHY tongue is strong - and red - with a mind of its own - that tongue was a floppy bit of useless tissue and he just tucked it back in the mouth (behind horse's clenched teeth!!!)
Well I am going to say exactly what I said on the other thread about it, yes the horse is working in hyperflexion (his head isn't pinned down in this video) but I suspect the blue tongue has nothing to do with the hyperflexion, more that the horse has put his tongue over one of the bits,
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Well I've seen (and ridden) a lot of horses that get tongues over bits (usually racehorses) and I've NEVER seen one whose tongue has gone blue as a result! In fact the ONLY time I've seen a horse's tongue that blue was when it had been 'tied down' (to stop it getting its tongue over.) The tool of choice for this job used to be a length of ladies' stocking and you had to be careful that it wasn't tied too tight - somebody wasn't!!
And I'd defy anyone to correct a tongue over bit situation as easily as he did. A HEALTHY tongue is strong - and red - with a mind of its own - that tongue was a floppy bit of useless tissue and he just tucked it back in the mouth (behind horse's clenched teeth!!!)
chestnut cob
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.How is that any benefit to the horse OR rider long term?
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They don't care about the long term. It's all about results NOW and the horse is purely a means to that - it could be a push bike for all they care about the animal itself.
Read this: Do Less
Interview with Dr. Gerd Heuschmann, really interesting.
.How is that any benefit to the horse OR rider long term?
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They don't care about the long term. It's all about results NOW and the horse is purely a means to that - it could be a push bike for all they care about the animal itself.
Read this: Do Less
Interview with Dr. Gerd Heuschmann, really interesting.
teddyt
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Well I am going to say exactly what I said on the other thread about it, yes the horse is working in hyperflexion (his head isn't pinned down in this video) but I suspect the blue tongue has nothing to do with the hyperflexion, more that the horse has put his tongue over one of the bits, when the rider notices he puts it back in and then the horse carries on working... I have watched the video several times through woithout getting distressed about it, after the tongue has been put back in the horse is very settled in the mouth and doesn't seem distressed at all, I don't think this video is a good video to use for a case against rollkur/hyperflexion and if you want to make a case against the rider then you need to see the session prior and after this short video to make a fair judgement.
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Horses that are happy in the mouth dont put their tongues over the bit.
Muscles go blue due to lack of blood flow i.e. pressure, a lot of it or over a long period of time.
If you are not distressed by seeing a horse forced in a totally unnatural carriage and its tongue going blue due to pressure then yu are as sick as the person riding the horse.
Have you ever held your chin on your chest for 90 minutes? Or held a heavy object in your out stretched arm for 90 minutes?
If the rider (or you) knew anything about the anatomy and physiology of muscles and the horse then you would know the damage that this causes, let alone the discomfort.
Well I am going to say exactly what I said on the other thread about it, yes the horse is working in hyperflexion (his head isn't pinned down in this video) but I suspect the blue tongue has nothing to do with the hyperflexion, more that the horse has put his tongue over one of the bits, when the rider notices he puts it back in and then the horse carries on working... I have watched the video several times through woithout getting distressed about it, after the tongue has been put back in the horse is very settled in the mouth and doesn't seem distressed at all, I don't think this video is a good video to use for a case against rollkur/hyperflexion and if you want to make a case against the rider then you need to see the session prior and after this short video to make a fair judgement.
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Horses that are happy in the mouth dont put their tongues over the bit.
Muscles go blue due to lack of blood flow i.e. pressure, a lot of it or over a long period of time.
If you are not distressed by seeing a horse forced in a totally unnatural carriage and its tongue going blue due to pressure then yu are as sick as the person riding the horse.
Have you ever held your chin on your chest for 90 minutes? Or held a heavy object in your out stretched arm for 90 minutes?
If the rider (or you) knew anything about the anatomy and physiology of muscles and the horse then you would know the damage that this causes, let alone the discomfort.