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I have owned a ID x TB 16.2 hh gelding, Charles, for about 5months. I am really struggling with him. He had no respect for me whatsoever, i struggle to catch him and have recieved a very nasty bite on my shouler (cuts, bruises and some of my hair was ripped out). I have lost my confidence with him but I can't sell him. I have decided to try Parelli, but am still a bit worried. Any advice, tips of hugs welcome!!!
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It's just so heart-breaking when I have done nothing to hurt him, nursed him back from the state he arrived in and I just don't know where to start.
 
What is about Parelli you are still worried about? There may be a more productive way forward. Which end of the country are you? Maybe people will be able to recommend someone.

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pooryou. try richard maxwell - hes not cheap but he does work.google him. you could get hurt in the meantime with parelli. in the meantime do you have an instructor?
 
Its a pity im in France as he sounds a ideal horse for my sister. She uses GA-Wa-NE- pony boy on the horses and has helped manty people with "problem" horses.
Taking for instance a Ex racer who Spent his life Rearing up and falling over backwards, into a Mild-as-milk hack. Or a Buckaroo Gelding into SJ 1m20 classes.
Parellis the better of the "alternative" Traing, IMO.

Best of luck and "Never say never"
 
Could I just ask why you can't sell him?

I think you seem quite attached to the lad which is fine. However, you have to think about what is best for BOTH of you. He's a big lad and if he's behaving like this, that's too much for you to cope with on your own.

I know sometimes it's hard, but we have to really look at the situation objectively and perhaps do what is the most diffuclt (but best) thing for all concerned. Sometimes certain combinations just don't gel. Horses take up too much time and money not to enjoy it.

Best of luck
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If you're set on keeping him (and ether way, it might be tough to sell him if he's currently being unpleasant) GET HELP! That sort of bit is a SERIOUS breach of horse etiquette and you need to get a handle on this horse.

Get someone reputable who is experience with "problem" horses and will come to you (or, if you don't have the facilities, take him on training livery) and work with the horse then the horse AND you. Behaviourist, problem horse trainer, "cowboy" - whatever. Ask what their philosophy is, what approaches they use, and what results they've had. Some great people are allied with specific programs but many more have lots of tools in their bags, preferring a more individualised approach.

Yes, you can learn to do work on your own, from books and dvds. But something quite serious has already happened and you are clearly at the end of your rope. It is far, far more effective and safer to learn what you need to do with this horse from an actual person who cannot only offer you individual attention but take over if necessary.

I know it's an expense but it's worth it. A couple of good sessions with someone talented will give you all the skills you need, do wonders for your confidence and provide you with an on going support system.
 
I know people who have tried Parelli/Monty Roberts with difficult horses with great success, so go for it. There is a reason why this horse is behaving this way, he is communicating with you, albeit in a negative way, you just need to find out what and why. Best to get a parelli/monty roberts specialist instructor out first to help you, you must be safe.
 
Try Intelligent Horsemanship (Kelly Marks/Monty Roberts) if you go on their website they have a list of recommended associates all over the country. I thought Kelly's book perfect manners was great.
Good luck!
 
Are you a first time horse owner, or out of horses for a long time? If that is so, he feels your nerves and lack of knowledge as a lower member of the herd. I have seen this many times. If I am right, PM me for a chat, if not, sorryyyyyyyy.
 
Right, thank you very much for all of your response!

He is dominant and definately doesn't think i'm boss!

I'm going to go on and try Parelli, as he seems pretty receptive.

I am really attatched to him - scared of him - but i still love him!

He's 16 and I ride him most days, hacking, dressage, show jumping and the odd cross-country jump, though have slowed off due to my lack of confidence after this bite.

I live in East Midlands.
 
Hiya,

I have had ponies in the past, and I was fine with him for the 1st 2 or 3 months. We got a pony for company, and since his dominance over the pony he has decided he;s boss with me too! Unfourtunately, due to his size, I worry he could do some serious damage!
 
Poor you. I have owned a horse who made me lose confidence and I must admit I did end up selling him (not a decision lightly made as I kept him for about 6 years). Parelli does not work for everyone but definitely think it's worth a try but you need to see a reputable practioner ie Kelly Marks. I haven't personally experienced Parelli apart from demonstrations but it seems the best option. Good luck and let us know how it goes... 5 months isn't a long time.
 
Try and swing it in your favour as much as poss so possibly lead out in a bridle if he pulls you about, for a few weeks at least I would keep him in limited company in small area so that catching doesn't become a big issue and try and visit as often as you can just to give him a scratch and a pat and then walk off again (it can really confuse them sometimes when you do this)Try and leave on your terms as such so don't push until he walks off but you make the decsion as such. Don't feed treats,titbits from your hand as it can encourage pushy behaviour and with him having bitten you in the past you don't want to encourage this. My horse used to bite when being groomed so I ended up in a huge jacket with cribbox painted down both sleeves so that if he did bite he generally didn't get me nd also got a mouth full of nasty stuff but most importantly he didn't get a reaction.The other thing to try is some ground work of somesort. My fave is you walk your horse on as normal, then stand If your horse carries on walking then apply a couple of sharp checs to the head collar so they walk back at least a step and then walk on again. Repeat until he times his steps with you. The more dominant horses sometimes create over this so a lunge line maybe better to work from but I have found very effective to stop bargy horses. Both my horses were horrible in various ways when I got them - my 17.3hh was spoilt as a baby and his answer to everything was to be very in your face,threaten to kick,bite etc ,run off and then refuse to be caught, had to be lead everywhere in a chifney but now he stands to be groomed, leads from a normal rope and generally has a bit more respect for me. But I think you also have to judge each horse on it's character as my big boy won't tolerate being left as such so I have to be quite matter of fact with him so he comes in gets groomed,tacked up and ridden - he's not groomed then I go and have a cup of tea then tack up then finish mucking out etc so he is never given the chance to be naughty where as my other horse needs a bit more time taken as he is more nervy and gets worst the less time I spend with him. I wish you all the luck and please pm me if you need anyhting or just someone to talk to as dealing with this type of horse can be frustrating at times xx
 
wow, thank you so much for all of your help and support, I really appriciate it! I am going to try and at least make him sell-able, and will consider what is best from there. I really appriciate the tips and good-will. I also think it's good that many people are open-minded about natural horsemanship.

To the close-minded people who dis-miss parelli without finding out about it, is there a need to simply write "Parelli? Whats the point..." or comments to that affect?It may not work for some people/horses, but dissmissive remarks from people who, from the sounds of it, haven't even tried Parelli, aren't going to help anyone.
 
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Parelli and GAWAN PULLMYLEG ?Rubbish !

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So, you know every thing??,
1 How many of your horses have qualified for HOYS and was ranked 10th in the country? My large hack was. Owned from 6 months old

2 Got a 27 yo who can still win and jump 1m10 classes? We have.Owned from 2 years with out any Pro help

3.Got a Irish mare considered dangerous and un rideable to jumping in the BSJA Festival of Show jumping?

If you have then fair enough; But if not, Keep you stupid remarks to your self.
 
This is an open forum, therefore people can/will and should be able to post their remarks. Your view that people should only post what you agree with, unless they have showing ambitions that match your own are every bit as offensive, if not more so, as people dismissing particular training methods.
 
i appreciate other peoples have different opinions , and alot of people do not belive in various training methods, however , the terms used simpley dis miss those refered to as rubbish. i am just pointing out that , unless you have a fair comment to add dont just state somthing is "rubbish" or "gawani pull my leg" if you can back up your argument , all im pointing out is that i have achieved those mentoined using these afore mentioned methods

i personaly dont like richard maxwell , but i have stated previously of my experiance with him that i belives gives me just cause ,
 
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