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Hattie was scanned yesterday and the vet couldn't see an emybro but he couldn't see the whole of her uterus as it was full of fluid. I no it is doubtful anything would of attached beause of the fluid but we don't no when the fluid came.
Vets said to look out for her coming into season. If she doesn't he wants to scan her again.
Why can't anything be simple?!
We don't no what is causing all of this fluid but next year I'm going to send her to my bosses stud vet to assess her and see if she can find out why she gets all of this fluid.
 
Aww, poor you...but with the first scan this does happen. I tried to put my own mare in foal at the same time as another that was here, used same collection. Both scanned not in foal. It was late in the season so didnt bother with my own and other mare decided to wait til following year...December comes and got email saying that their mare was actualy in foal after all and panicing as for what to feed ect!!!...(I wasnt so lucky tho'!)
 
The fluid could be odema for her next season, if the fluid looks bad on the scan, you should get a swab done to check there isn't any naughty baterias knocking around (vet can get results overnight - or mine does anyway), if thats clear and it is odema, she may need flushing after service and treating with oxytocin depending on how severe the odema is, if their is some bacteria bashing around she will need a few days of antibiotics into her uterus (not differcult the same as inseminating them!) if its not too severe this can be done and still service them on that cycle, if not you will have to bring them back into season again a week later.

Is your vet a good repro vet? Did he try and look at her follicles, see if she had any coming??

From experience of fluid (see Betty Bug story) there is unlikely to be a pregnancy with bad fluid!

Ask Andy Pandy, he's very knowledgable with things like this, he can tell you what you should be asking your vet!

Good luck, fingers crossed for you!
 
I can tell you now without swabs it will be contaminated with Ecoli, it always is. She has had 2 lots of this fluid swabbed, both times it was contaminated with E coli, we think because she poos down her self and is really grotty.
I'm not going to try her again this year as I don't want a late foal, not that I think the bloody horse will take.
My vet isn't the best, I've been told by everyone, which is why I will go with my bosses vet, who is very good, next year.
He did look at her folicles but didn't say if any were ready.
 
I'm no expert on mares (or indeed anything else) but someone who is told me the other day that this fluid problem happens a lot with trad. cobs and other draught-type horses.

Not that this is any consolation to you, of course. So sorry to hear about your difficulties - must be very disappointing.
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sounds like a change of vet is a good idea, if she is getting dirt in their from her poo it suggest her vulva seal isn't that great and you should try having her castlicking after she is served and had any after treatment. I was over at bbmats and AndyPandys today and they were having a good laugh at me having to clean my mares grotty backside so painstakingly (not that they don't do it on their mare but because it really was the grimest botty!), she get dirt inside really easily because she isn't as elastic as she should be anymore, my vet will be out tomorrow he'll give her a flush and some oxytocin and all being well she'll be zipped down and fingers crossed!
 
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Completely agree with this statement. As I say in every other one of my posts - bog standard vets are no good if you want to be sure of a good breeding experience. You need a repro specialist and/or a repro centre. Reliable repro vets with good experience are hard to find, but are essential.

The edema here could be grade 2-3 uterine edema w/ fluid which means she could be close to coming into season, but HG is right - a swab would be a good idea to make sure it's not any kind of infection.

Sorry it's been so tough - fingers crossed you will find someone who knows what they're doing, and all should be OK
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I agree with those above who've said a good repro vet is vital. Iv been seeing practice with some of the guys who do this country's best TB broodmares and they know every possible result as they see so many cases on a daily basis compared to regular equine vets or mixed practice vets.
As regards the swabs being +ve for ecoli - this iis also possible due to poor conformation of the vulva resulting in the poo sitting on top of the vulval opening when she dungs. Ideally eople wouldnt breed from such mares, but a caslick may help lessen the problem, especially if the vulva tissues are lax.
 
Mo was scanned the day after insemination to check that she had ovulated & for fluid & again the day after to check for fluid. They were ready to take action if need be. My sister's mare failed to take last year despite numerous attempts due to fluid. One mare has only just scanned in-foal after missing a season due to this problem. It still took a few months this year to finally get her in-foal. If you get a good vet hopefully you will have better luck next year.
 
Cheers guys.
The annoying thing is my vet is a repro vet, he is on the BEVA proved AI vets. He is just not that expereinced it would seem, shame we didn't no before all of this.
We are going to send Hattie to my bosses stud vet next year for her to access her and find out what is causing all of this fluid and whether it is possible to breed from her.
 
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