Cortez
Tough but Fair
It's not fine and dandy, but it's hardly the worst thing that's ever been done to horses. I have seen sadder sights at a pony club rally, actually.
not sure what the headgear is on these horses
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TPO
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Watching, not scrutising, the video it didn't scream lame "unhappy" horses to me ??
I've been on livery with "loved" horses in pet homes that have looked 100x worse yet still place at RC and BD (even BE in one case). That doesnt make it ok because there's worse but I really dont understand the hoo-haa about this video.
I didnt play any attention to hooves but I'd assume they are barefoot based solely on the bridless and treeless aspect. Rockley post videos of (ridden) horses cantering over hard, uneven and stoney terrain to applaud. Horses with conditioned, properly functioning barefoot hooves cope fine with the terrains in the video IMO.
When I worked in the NT the ground was rock hard and horses did 12hr days+ over many, many kms at various speeds and were none the worse for it. In their "down time" they were turned away in thousands of acres of the same going.
Similarly mustering in the feral horses or even bringing in the station work horses both those horses and the ridden horses displayed similar expressions amongst themselves and towards each other.
The most responsive horse I've ever ridden was a polocross pony, he was the sweetest, but his ears were also constantly on the go waiting for the next signal never forward and pricked, he was working and he knew it.
Exactly the same working cattle; horses have ears all over the place between watching the beast and paying attention to the rider. Look at a cutting horse work, it doesnt exactly look like it smiling.
It's not to my taste or something that I would want to partake in but I really dont see the drama with this video and why it cant be ignored if not found enjoyable?
There's been much worse posted on here over the with lame and sore horses schooling and competing with barely a murmur. Anyone that did speak out (not me I hasten to add, I can keep quiet sometimes ?) was quickly beaten down and usually accused of bullying. So it's ok if you "know" the rider in the video but fine to have a go if it's a bunch of randoms?
I'm sure those in the video would be very upset to see their care being brought into question on a forum like this. I'm sure they like their horses as much a we like ours.
I've been on livery with "loved" horses in pet homes that have looked 100x worse yet still place at RC and BD (even BE in one case). That doesnt make it ok because there's worse but I really dont understand the hoo-haa about this video.
I didnt play any attention to hooves but I'd assume they are barefoot based solely on the bridless and treeless aspect. Rockley post videos of (ridden) horses cantering over hard, uneven and stoney terrain to applaud. Horses with conditioned, properly functioning barefoot hooves cope fine with the terrains in the video IMO.
When I worked in the NT the ground was rock hard and horses did 12hr days+ over many, many kms at various speeds and were none the worse for it. In their "down time" they were turned away in thousands of acres of the same going.
Similarly mustering in the feral horses or even bringing in the station work horses both those horses and the ridden horses displayed similar expressions amongst themselves and towards each other.
The most responsive horse I've ever ridden was a polocross pony, he was the sweetest, but his ears were also constantly on the go waiting for the next signal never forward and pricked, he was working and he knew it.
Exactly the same working cattle; horses have ears all over the place between watching the beast and paying attention to the rider. Look at a cutting horse work, it doesnt exactly look like it smiling.
It's not to my taste or something that I would want to partake in but I really dont see the drama with this video and why it cant be ignored if not found enjoyable?
There's been much worse posted on here over the with lame and sore horses schooling and competing with barely a murmur. Anyone that did speak out (not me I hasten to add, I can keep quiet sometimes ?) was quickly beaten down and usually accused of bullying. So it's ok if you "know" the rider in the video but fine to have a go if it's a bunch of randoms?
I'm sure those in the video would be very upset to see their care being brought into question on a forum like this. I'm sure they like their horses as much a we like ours.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I didn't see anyone suggest it was the worst thing that's ever been done to horses though, if they had I could perhaps understand the comparsion.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I am glad that my horse was not in the video, but the video itself didn't offend me.
But then, I have worked with working horses for years, where we had to do things where I was glad my home-horses weren't there.
TBH, I would prefer to see horses being used like this to horses standing around in postage stamp paddocks knee deep in mud.
I did some teaching in the midwest (America) and was riding working cow horses. They were amazingly sure footed. I was glad it was not my horse then too, the ground was hard, the work days were long. But then, I couldn't complain as many of the horses were sound and in their 20s. I have commented on that before, long term sound horses in harsh conditions, but they were conditioned to it. They didn't spend hours trotting circles on arenas either.
I remember going on a gallop through the forest. I was riding a working cow horse, the terrain was terrible and we were moving it. Horse was surefooted. He was conditioned to it. I liked him so much, if I could have brought him home I would have!
But then, I have worked with working horses for years, where we had to do things where I was glad my home-horses weren't there.
TBH, I would prefer to see horses being used like this to horses standing around in postage stamp paddocks knee deep in mud.
I did some teaching in the midwest (America) and was riding working cow horses. They were amazingly sure footed. I was glad it was not my horse then too, the ground was hard, the work days were long. But then, I couldn't complain as many of the horses were sound and in their 20s. I have commented on that before, long term sound horses in harsh conditions, but they were conditioned to it. They didn't spend hours trotting circles on arenas either.
I remember going on a gallop through the forest. I was riding a working cow horse, the terrain was terrible and we were moving it. Horse was surefooted. He was conditioned to it. I liked him so much, if I could have brought him home I would have!
Lipglosspukka
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I think people are upset because it's just unecessarry and disrespectful. No problem with horses working hard. No need to flop about all over their backs, going backwards, waving your arms around etc. No need for it.
paddy555
Well-Known Member
that made me laugh. I used to lead them many years ago. Once you got an experienced adult group only one thing mattered and that was the pub crawl as fast as possible because they didn't have all day opening in those days.
paddy555
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I am fairly sure they are BF I cannot see evidence of shoes. Can't see any nails on the walls.
May be there is something I am missing but if horses are cantered on roads, and I know they are as in some BF groups we had a discussion about this years ago. I was surprised at how many cantered on the road. What is the difference between cantering on the tracks in the video? I doubt they were cantering for 5 minutes solid. I expect there were a lot of stops and starts in the filming.
Flame_
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Haha, this did remind me of the holiday centre in Wales I used to go to. Crazy speeds along stoney forest tracks but the human arms waving about were generally in terror, accompanied by screams and cries for help. It was flipping awesome.
ETA and the lack of tack wasn't usually planned but did happen when it broke.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I don't have any problem with barefoot horses cantering on hard tracks. I have a problem with any horse being cantered on hard tracks when they are lame in trot and again when they are talking any chance they can get to get onto a softer verge even if it's extremely uneven and more difficult to keep their feet on. I saw both in that video.
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ZondaR
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My boss doesn't really care if I don't enjoy my work. He cares that I do it. I don't hate my job but I don't bound into the office each morning bursting with enthusiasm. To me they look like workers getting on with their job in miserable weather on tracks they are familiar with and looking forward to getting back out of the rain. None of them was pulled in the mouth and I also didn't notice any of the riders using the crops for anything other than 'canoeing'.