Nothing like a dog to teach you a bit of humility

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Or, how to train a Siberian husky when you're not allowed to use a club with a nail in it. ;)

I've been having real problems with Dax and agility of late to the point that I took her to work for a full work-up, convinced that she was in pain on her TTA leg, had tweaked her back or had a UTI or something, such was the weirdness I was getting at training. Lots of jump refusals (something she's never done before), slowing right down, refusing weave entries, having no interest in gobbing off at the collies, bombing off half way through a run to sniff and pee. In one hour session she forced out seven wees!

Boss vet spent a good fifteen minutes prodding and poking and declared that there was nothing wrong with her (or her wee). So I went ahead and took her to her first KC show, expecting the worst, and indeed she acts up - I got one amazing run, clear but for want of a correct weave entry, but in subsequent runs she acts up. Not to the point of leaving the ring but she refused multiple times, including totally freezing up one jump from the finish and having to be dragged out of the ring, and again with the sniffing and racing off to pee.

Vet tells me I'm beng paranoid so the pressure stays on and we go away for the weekend for a race. We had a brilliant weekend - my heart sank when she looked worried on the start line but so did R, I think the atmosphere just rattled them a bit but once we were off she put her little heart into it and ran like a demon, even for the impromptu night run (don't ask, it was simultaneously terrifying and exhilarating :p). She came home tired but 100% sound.

No break, straight into a club agility show last Saturday and lo and behold I again get one good fast run followed by a ruck of refusals. We have a very sensible trainer who doesn't normally anthropomorphise dogs but even she pointed out that her behaviour was almost deliberately goading - 'what can I do that will most make mum shout and wave her arms and chase me?' sort of thing, the result being her dashing up to me in the ring, play bowing, then dashing off to hide in the tunnel. Repeat x 4, add in a laughing audience, trainer has to produce a tennis ball to lure her out of the tunnel (and ultimately the ring). Argh!

So we had a little heart to heart with the trainer last night, during which we came to the conclusion that she was displaying a lot of displacement behaviour (sniffing, peeing, making her own entertainment in the ring) and that what we were doing at the moment was clearly not fun for her. It appears that I have become hugely complacent - the better she gets the more critical I have become, with less praise, kibble instead of high value food, expecting more and more without giving her much back. I spend a lot of time yelling, scolding and correcting and not so much time playing. It's all got too serious and not fun enough - fine for a self-motivating dog like a collie, not so much for a wolfy fing who isn't naturally inclined to this sort of thing and who will use any excuse to switch off.

When we left the ring on Saturday I took her out to the exercise area and watched her pootling about the field with multiple strange dogs and people while I chatted, playing politely, chasing a ball, coming back the second she was called even if another dog was off running. And I realise now that a year ago I would have been so, so proud of her being able to do that - and a year before that I would have told you she would never be capable of something like that, never mind all the other amazing things we've done as well since then.

I went to training last night with a pocket full of cocktail sausages, lobbed one at her for any obstacle attempted with enthusiasm, didn't scream like a banshee for her contacts and produced balls and tuggies at frequent intervals. She was fab.

A lesson learnt!

A few pictures from the last few weeks. :)

When I shriek 'TOUCH IIIIIIIT' she grinds to a halt as pictured and the sniffing sets in... no more of that!

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Fed up of this agility lark...

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The one course she did fabulously - unfenced ring, all three contacts, 12 weaves, she'd never seen a wall before and still jumped it. I need to acknowledge that this is an amazing achievement even though we didn't come home with a rosette, rather than leaving the ring disappointed that we missed something.

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And last night, angling for a sausage

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WOW, what a gorgeous girl you have, and how refreshing to read your post, you sound like a brilliant caring owner, no wonder your girl has progressed so much in the last twelve months. Thank goodness you will now be able to simply enjoy her without any pressure on either of you!!
 
Wonderful to hear from someone who has listened to their dog and responded to get a good result - well done you for that!! It is one of the reasns I pulled out of agility, I saw too many dogs doing stuff they wouldn't have done a year ago, or even a few months ago, but their owners start to get competitive and forget that it is supposed to be FUN!! I eventually left when my club members insisted my dog was being naughty and should be punished for refusing the weaves when I knew he wasn't, and in fact x-rays revealed hip problems. It is so wonderful to see a husky enjoying agility against all the nay-sayers so I am really glad that you can carry on with an injection of fun and show them all how it should be done :-D :-D
 
That is what I've tried to explain about training dogs of breeds that isn't bred to please, they're not always more difficult to train, but you maybe won't get it for free. You may have to think a little more about making the training fun for your dog, making them want to do what you want, or else, they may just decide that if you're going to be boring and demanding, you can be that, without them...
 
What a lovely update! She looks gorgeous (as always!) and so much more grown up than before! I am so glad you got to the bottom of her little reluctance to work!

For what it's worth I was taught that with a more established dog where you expect some behaviours to have been reinforced enough not to require rewards it's worth having a varied reward strategy, i.e. sometimes nothing, sometimes high value, sometimes everyday kibble, etc. so that they still feel they have something to work towards.
 
What a gorgeous girl she is!
As I sat reading this, I felt like you were writing it for me! I have a Chihuahua/terrier mix and he absolutely loves agility and shows some promise, but... he gets bored so easily.
1st round is always great, I should probably go home at this point as subsequent rounds he will often zip off mid run for a smell of something. I know that verbal correction of Uh-Uh! at this point doesn't help matters, so I have to grin and pretend it's fine, otherwise when I get within feet he then bombs off at high speed, there is also no barrier between the 2 groups so he has been known to gallop off to play with the others mid run :O. I must point out that in any other environment we have 100% recall!
I have come to the decision that he will only ever do agility in training (for fun obviously), and only once a month instead of weekly. It is then a fun affair with great rounds and a happy dog.. If he is happy then so am I :D

Good luck to you and Dax.
 
So pleased you seem to have found some answers, looking back at her behaviour in the ring when I saw her that does make sense. As your trainer says it was a sort of goading/sticking 2 fingers up at you behaviour wasn't it. That picture of her in the grandstand is great, she really wasn't impressed at that point was she - probably because the people with the JRT wouldn't share their chips! :)
 
I want to add that my first reply was said in general, it isn't something that I've tried to explain to Blackcob. It was just that Blackcob's post made me think about, when for example people talks about wanting an easily trained dog. And I think that the post was a good example on that some dogs is not anti the training, but if you make it too demanding or boring, their motivation may sink like a leaking rowing-boat.

And I also want to add, that the post makes it clear to me, how intelligent Dax must be. To come up with the things she did, to try and make you listen to her...


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So so lovely to see that you took the time to work through what was going wrong for your dog. I compete in agility with two of my dogs and have to constantly remind myself, they didn't ask to do this yet they really give it their all for me everytime. Similar to Blackcob, I reward on regular basis after obstacles and this has transferred to my showjumping with me praising my lovely mare after every jump telling her she is fab in a high pitched excited voice! Coach keeps reminding me she is not one of the dogs. If I start telling the mare "over" before a jump I know I am in real trouble!
 
What a nice update and well done for listening to your dog!!
Love the pics :)

As you know I had to do a lot of soul searching with B, I knew he was never going to be a world beater and we probably could have gone a few grades higher but I am very proud of what we did achieve in spite of all his issues, he worked his heart out.
 
So so lovely to see that you took the time to work through what was going wrong for your dog. I compete in agility with two of my dogs and have to constantly remind myself, they didn't ask to do this yet they really give it their all for me everytime. Similar to Blackcob, I reward on regular basis after obstacles and this has transferred to my showjumping with me praising my lovely mare after every jump telling her she is fab in a high pitched excited voice! Coach keeps reminding me she is not one of the dogs. If I start telling the mare "over" before a jump I know I am in real trouble!

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At least you're just doing it to your horse, I've flung out an arm and said "Forward"/"Left"/"Right", whilst I've been out walking with humans, and no dogs...

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Lovely photos :)

It's easily done, I know I've been guilty of it (but when I do have a reflective moment thinking about my dogs 'then and now' I normally get tearful so don't do it much :p). Important thing is that you recognised it! Alot of folk would just keep pushing :)
 
Thank you all for being so nice - I really feel like the worst owner in the world, I was pushing and pushing and could have soured her forever. She was trying to tell me, in her hard-as-nails Dax E. Dog fashion, I just wasn't listening. Ricoh is so much easier to read, if he doesn't want to do something he just screams and flails. :o

No more KC shows until Easter now anyway so we're just going to take it easy at the winter club shows. As it's unaffiliated I can run her NFC, knock down the height and take a toy in the ring, no pressure. And we're racing again in January, no brainpower or bribery required there, she throws her heart and soul readily into that. Camping in January is a slightly different prospect to camping in October however!

I've been on holiday today and am off for the rest of the week, lots of long wandering walks, no training. We spent a good few hours this morning just grubbing about in the woods looking for squirrels, put up a super exciting hare in the scrub on the way home and licked a few friendly highland cattle. Off to the hills at the weekend for more of the same. Time to be fun again! :)
 
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