TheMule
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Well, best case scenario, there's a blob that was hiding from the vet I guess!
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Well, best case scenario, there's a blob that was hiding from the vet I guess!
Bikerchickone
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That would be absolutely amazing but I don’t think we’re that lucky sadly! I’ll keep you posted.
The one thing the vet did say before she concluded that there was no pregnancy last Monday was that older mares who have a significant number of foals tend to have a larger uterus so it can be hard to scan because they’re so far in. She did spend a good few minutes scanning though so I’m not getting my hopes up.
Bikerchickone
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Another update from me, apologies if I’m boring everyone!
Stallion decision made, we’re going with Silver Wind Twister because he’s exactly my sort and has proven ridden young stock on the ground, plus he’s very local as in less than half an hour away and I suspect I’ll only get one chance now.
My usual vet isn’t available until tomorrow so scanning first thing in the morning, mare still doesn’t appear to be in season though. Who knows what’s going on but I’ll feel better once my usual vet has taken a look and I’m going to stick with him for the rest of the process, hopefully a lot cheaper on call outs and he’s been recommended by a few people as a repro vet.
Everything crossed ?
Stallion decision made, we’re going with Silver Wind Twister because he’s exactly my sort and has proven ridden young stock on the ground, plus he’s very local as in less than half an hour away and I suspect I’ll only get one chance now.
My usual vet isn’t available until tomorrow so scanning first thing in the morning, mare still doesn’t appear to be in season though. Who knows what’s going on but I’ll feel better once my usual vet has taken a look and I’m going to stick with him for the rest of the process, hopefully a lot cheaper on call outs and he’s been recommended by a few people as a repro vet.
Everything crossed ?
Bikerchickone
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No blob on this morning‘s scan but we’re ready for another try on Thursday so have booked semen, vet coming again tomorrow morning to check again, I’m collecting semen Wednesday evening, then vet Thursday morning to scan again and inseminate all being well, then again Friday morning to scan and flush. Does that all sound about right? Any thoughts or suggestions? Thank you!
Asha
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Sounds right to me . Hope all goes well this time ?
Bikerchickone
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Thank you, me too! I need a break from the stress ?
TheMule
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Thats a shame there's no blob
But good that you have chosen a new hubby and it sounds like the vet has it sorted
Bikerchickone
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Back on the rollercoaster, Mare decided to surprise us by ovulating twice yesterday afternoon so vet advised we've missed this cycle. All set to scan again towards the end of next week and stallion owner advised that we won't need to go this week. Luckily they're all fab and work together really well. I think my girl wants to keep me on my toes!
I am definitely going to write some kind of breeding for dummies book after all of this!
I am definitely going to write some kind of breeding for dummies book after all of this!
Asha
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You are certainly having a baptism of fire !
TheMule
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Back on the rollercoaster, Mare decided to surprise us by ovulating twice yesterday afternoon so vet advised we've missed this cycle. All set to scan again towards the end of next week and stallion owner advised that we won't need to go this week. Luckily they're all fab and work together really well. I think my girl wants to keep me on my toes!
I am definitely going to write some kind of breeding for dummies book after all of this!
Bikerchickone
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Update time finally!
Scanned last Friday and mare PG'd. Scanned again Monday and vet thought maybe ready Wednesday (today) to be on the safe side I asked him to come scan again yesterday to be sure where we were. Yesterday follicle at 3cm so agreed to scan again this morning. This morning we have 3.2cm and maximum oedema so vet (not the same one, he was rude enough to go to Hickstead for this week!) gave the injection of the stuff I cannot remember the name of (2 vials as she's had one with the first attempt) to make them ovulate in 24 hours and suggested AI tomorrow morning. Stallion owner does AI himself and is super flexible and helpful so he's going to come over tomorrow for 8am and AI for us. Vet can't get back to wash out until Friday though as they're a man down with my chap being at Hickstead.
Does that sound okay? I did ask about scanning again today to check later but the vet didn't think it would be necessary. I was a bit horrified at not having a vet do the AI but my usual vet who's away, recommended the stallion owner to do it as he said, 'He's just as good as a vet at getting AI done.' I'd just not heard of it being done by anyone other than a vet but I am a novice to all this.
Have kept a diary though and am seriously going to write a breeding for dummies book if I ever find the time!
PS, stupid novice question, what's oedema in this context and why does it have a maximum? I asked vet and she just explained that it goes up, then comes down for ovulation but didn't explain what it was! I have so much to learn!
Scanned last Friday and mare PG'd. Scanned again Monday and vet thought maybe ready Wednesday (today) to be on the safe side I asked him to come scan again yesterday to be sure where we were. Yesterday follicle at 3cm so agreed to scan again this morning. This morning we have 3.2cm and maximum oedema so vet (not the same one, he was rude enough to go to Hickstead for this week!) gave the injection of the stuff I cannot remember the name of (2 vials as she's had one with the first attempt) to make them ovulate in 24 hours and suggested AI tomorrow morning. Stallion owner does AI himself and is super flexible and helpful so he's going to come over tomorrow for 8am and AI for us. Vet can't get back to wash out until Friday though as they're a man down with my chap being at Hickstead.
Does that sound okay? I did ask about scanning again today to check later but the vet didn't think it would be necessary. I was a bit horrified at not having a vet do the AI but my usual vet who's away, recommended the stallion owner to do it as he said, 'He's just as good as a vet at getting AI done.' I'd just not heard of it being done by anyone other than a vet but I am a novice to all this.
Have kept a diary though and am seriously going to write a breeding for dummies book if I ever find the time!
PS, stupid novice question, what's oedema in this context and why does it have a maximum? I asked vet and she just explained that it goes up, then comes down for ovulation but didn't explain what it was! I have so much to learn!
juli
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I have heard of many who AI their mares themselves so would not be concerned about the stallion owner doing it. Fingers crossed that it sticks this time!
TheMule
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Well, it's not ideal, but it sounds like you don’t have much option here. I've no problem with the stallion owner AIing the mare, that’s the easy bit, but I do think you need a good post-AI protocol with this mare. Could you pick up some oxytocin to inject? I do 4 hours post-insemination then after another 6 hours and one more the next morning
Bikerchickone
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Hmm, possibly. She had oxytocin yesterday and a lot less fluid today so hopefully ok. What I might do is ask if I can pick some up tomorrow when I let her know about the AI. He’s doing it at 8am so plenty of time. She’s back first thing Friday anyway. Hopefully it’ll be enough though I’m half thinking we might need a bitter dose with the follicle so small and her not ovulating when expected last time.
Just wish one thing would go easily for us! ??
TheMule
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Are up you sure it was oxytocin she had? That sounds unusual
Asha
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im guessing the oxytocin is to get rid of the fluid ?
Im assuming the chap who is doing the AI will scan before putting semen in, as youd want the fluid to have gone before insemmination.
fluid before covering can be an issue, i have had a couple that had fluid coming into season . One had an infection, so we put a caslick in and left her until the next year. No fluid following year and caught first time. Other one was actually pooling urine, so never caught. Do you know whats causing the fluid ?
Im assuming the chap who is doing the AI will scan before putting semen in, as youd want the fluid to have gone before insemmination.
fluid before covering can be an issue, i have had a couple that had fluid coming into season . One had an infection, so we put a caslick in and left her until the next year. No fluid following year and caught first time. Other one was actually pooling urine, so never caught. Do you know whats causing the fluid ?
Bikerchickone
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Yes, definitely oxytocin get rid of the fluid. There was much less yesterday so it seems to have worked. They didn’t say what was causing it.
Couldn’t get vet out to me today so no scan before AI this morning but they’re back first thing tomorrow to check her and we can get another dose if needed. Stallion owner is properly on the ball and very helpful.
AI went well, but she’s always good anyway and apparently there was more than a usual does given. Collected literally an hour before insemination so hopefully all good. He was very impressed with my girl, saying how she’d look nice in his fields if she needed a home! Definitely not happening as I’ve no intention of letting her go.
I did consider calling the vet and insisting they send someone out to scan but stallion owner thinks itll be fine for tomorrow. She should ovulate today or have possibly already gone this morning but the follicle was small so apparently tomorrow is good enough to check and see if another dose of semen is needed.
I’m just keeping everything crossed because we aren’t going to try again this year if she doesn’t take this time. We might think about starting her long lining and seeing if she wants to go back under saddle in the meantime if she’s not in foal. She seems pretty interested in interaction now and is finally taking treats from our hands which she wouldn’t do at all until Tuesday of this week. I think she’s enjoying the attention she gets now.
Positive vibes this way please!
Bikerchickone
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All good so far. Scanned thus morning and the two follicles that were at just over 3cm did ovulate so scanning again 2 weeks today for a blob. No fluid to worry about either so fingers crossed for a Silver Wind Twister baby please!
TheMule
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Great news- good luck!
Bikerchickone
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WE HAVE A BLOB!!!!!!
Well, actually we had two but vet successfully pinched one and checking again tomorrow to make sure all is well.
I‘m in shock. Had honestly thought it would never happen! Clever Trio! Now I’m just telling her to think Blue baby!
Well, actually we had two but vet successfully pinched one and checking again tomorrow to make sure all is well.
I‘m in shock. Had honestly thought it would never happen! Clever Trio! Now I’m just telling her to think Blue baby!
TheMule
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That is brilliant news! Well done for persevering, it has been a bit of a mission To get to this point!
Bikerchickone
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Thank you! Can’t tell you how delighted I am, not to mention impatient to meet baby after a Silver Wind Twister baby won the breed show foal class on Saturday! Roll on next summer! ?
Asha
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so pleased for you. Good girl Trio, and big thumbs up to the new vet .
Silver wind twister is a beautiful stallion. Excited for you
Silver wind twister is a beautiful stallion. Excited for you
Bikerchickone
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A bit late with the update but we have a heartbeat scan all good!
So exciting. Now I just need a way to hear it myself!
So exciting. Now I just need a way to hear it myself!