Novice riding my GP horse without permission?!

Even if I had a ploddy cob (no disrespect here to ploddy cob owners) I would be absolutely fuming if I had paid a yard owner to keep my horse exercised while I was away and someone else had been riding it so I would be cutting heads off if I had worked for years to get a horse to GP level and a 14 year old wa out on it :mad: a strong talk to the yard owner and letting your views be known very clearly is a must so that it never happens again to you or anyone else :(
 
Do you currently compete the horse GP level? Also how often do you ride and compete it? It sounds like you have your horse worked by the yard owner reg when you cant make it even though you arnt on working livery? Sorry if I am wrong
 
badgermyers said:
Do you currently compete the horse GP level? Also how often do you ride and compete it? It sounds like you have your horse worked by the yard owner reg when you cant make it even though you arnt on working livery? Sorry if I am wrong
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Not sure what's any of that's got to do with letting a 14yo novice rider out on the road with a GP horse without the owners permission.
 
Goldenstar said:
Not sure what's any of that's got to do with letting a 14yo novice rider out on the road with a GP horse without the owners permission.
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Well if I had a livery that was on full livery rather than working and I was constantly having to work the horses for them for whatever reason I wouldnt be too happy. Not that I would put someone else on the horse myself but know plenty that would! Even more so if the owner was then off competing GP but always getting people to school it at home.

That was my train of thought anyway
 
If the horse was mine and I had asked for certain work to be done I would expect it to be done by the YO and not a livery.

If th YO could not ride the horse ,in advance I would have arranged for the horse to either go on the walker more or turned out.

How much holiday does the horse get. Could it not have had a break while you were away.

You pay for things to be done properly by the right people. I would not be happy at all
 
crabbymare said:
Even if I had a ploddy cob (no disrespect here to ploddy cob owners) I would be absolutely fuming if I had paid a yard owner to keep my horse exercised while I was away and someone else had been riding it so I would be cutting heads off if I had worked for years to get a horse to GP level and a 14 year old wa out on it :mad: a strong talk to the yard owner and letting your views be known very clearly is a must so that it never happens again to you or anyone else :(
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This. I have a highland and only people of my choice ride her.
Woe betide anyone who rides her without my say so - regardless of the fact I'm a rubbish rider and anyone could do better! If it had been an employee, I would put it down to a misunderstanding, but for another livery to be riding your horse (irrespective or age or experience) when you are paying for the Yard to exercise your horse is out of order.

When you asked for your horse to be exercised, then YO must have known then that she had too many to ride herself and should have explained/asked permissions then, for someone else to exercise your horse OR, after your had the agreement, someone else came along and asked for their horse to be exercised, YO should have know she didn't have time and explain to them that she had X to exercise which was too many.

I wouldn't move yards as you are adamant you are happy there, but I would explain to YO - as has been said previously - why you are pee'd off. The answers from this would depend on my next course of action.
 
paulineh said:
If the horse was mine and I had asked for certain work to be done I would expect it to be done by the YO and not a livery.

If th YO could not ride the horse ,in advance I would have arranged for the horse to either go on the walker more or turned out.

How much holiday does the horse get. Could it not have had a break while you were away.

You pay for things to be done properly by the right people. I would not be happy at all
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This.
 
badgermyers said:
Well if I had a livery that was on full livery rather than working and I was constantly having to work the horses for them for whatever reason I wouldnt be too happy. Not that I would put someone else on the horse myself but know plenty that would! Even more so if the owner was then off competing GP but always getting people to school it at home.

That was my train of thought anyway
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Full livery is everything - including exercise. Working livery is a riding school thing, where the horse is used for lessons in exchange for reduced livery charges. Anyway, if the YO has agreed to take payment for riding the horse, that indicates that she's happy to do so!

I know many riders who have their staff exercise their horses, and only get on to school and compete - I'm failing to see your point at all.
 
If your going to stay at the yard -which i couldn't why dont you arrange for the horse to go to your trainers next time you go off on your hols.

And i would not be letting the yo ride my horse ever again.... who knows whom she would allow on it next time - and to be honest - even if she said it was always her, the trust has gone for me.
 
But badgermyers OP pays the yo to ride the horse when she does not she did not pay to have it hacked out by a 14yo.
I think if I remember correctly from the thread the YO rides the horse when OP canot and is paid for doing so its a buisness transaction which the YO could refuse if she wished .
OP completes her horse and works ( I think that's right) why should she not spend her money on getting her horse ridden by YO to suit her convenicence why should the YO mind that sounds like a great deal being paid to ride a GP horse.
But putting a child on such a horse to ride on the road something the YO won't do with the horse herself is a serious serious misjudgement by the YO.
 
Auslander said:
Full livery is everything - including exercise. Working livery is a riding school thing, where the horse is used for lessons in exchange for reduced livery charges. Anyway, if the YO has agreed to take payment for riding the horse, that indicates that she's happy to do so!

I know many riders who have their staff exercise their horses, and only get on to school and compete - I'm failing to see your point at all.
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Oh round here full is everything bar riding as ive always been on that and working is where the horse is worked too, either riding school or by yard owner/groom/whatever.

Or at least it has been at every yard ive been on before I got my own place as Ive always been full livery but never has that included riding :)
 
badgermyers said:
Do you currently compete the horse GP level? Also how often do you ride and compete it? It sounds like you have your horse worked by the yard owner reg when you cant make it even though you arnt on working livery? Sorry if I am wrong
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And this is relevant to the situation because?????
 
The yard owner has been irresponsible beyond belief in letting a 14 year old ride a 17h GP horse on the roads, she has been deceitful in not being upfront about the exercising arrangements for the horse, and she obviously thinks nothing of putting a valuable horse in her care at risk. Would I be sitting down to have a friendly chat with her? I would be writing her a letter detailing all these points and giving her notice.
Far better for the horse to move yards than to have his life and years of training jeopardised.
 
amymay said:
And this is relevant to the situation because?????
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Sorry I was kind of thinking and typing. I have experience of this type of situation in the past and people normally pass riding to someone else if they are fed up of doing it. I know they are being paid but theres being paid as a few one offs then theres 'I am not coming up again (been said many times before) can you ride him please and ill give you some cash'...

The latter would annoy me
 
Full livery usually round here means everything including exercise but it can mean all care and you pay a daily charge for work.
Working or schooling livery means the yard are training the horse and handle the work plan .
OP I think pays livery to cover all care and pays daily for the YOer to work the horse when she does not ride it, all very fair .
 
badgermyers said:
Sorry I was kind of thinking and typing. I have experience of this type of situation in the past and people normally pass riding to someone else if they are fed up of doing it. I know they are being paid but theres being paid as a few one offs then theres 'I am not coming up again (been said many times before) can you ride him please and ill give you some cash'...

The latter would annoy me
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It has absolutely no relevance whether the OP has another person riding her horse or not.

And if it would annoy you, then presumably it wouldn't be a service you would offer as a YO........
 
badgermyers said:
Oh round here full is everything bar riding as ive always been on that and working is where the horse is worked too, either riding school or by yard owner/groom/whatever.

Or at least it has been at every yard ive been on before I got my own place as Ive always been full livery but never has that included riding :)
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How bizarre, I'd call that part livery. Anyway - it's completely irrelevant to the discusssion. Would you be happy if your best horse was on livery which included exercise, and you found out that instead of being ridden by the person you had paid to ride it, it had been ridden by a kid who did not have your permission to ride, and was not capable of riding it at the appropriate level? I wouldn't.
 
BM the owner was on holiday and during the holiday which can hardly be classed as not turning up this happened its difficult to find a defence for the YOer.
 
I have to disagree with the poster who said it didnt matter whether he was a cob of a GP wb. To the owner it is still a breach of trust, to the horse it is totally different
These horses by their nature are sensitive animals, and something who is that specifically schooled could so easily be put back by someone who doesnt know what they are doing, even more so, if it is new at this level!

Is this woman your trainer?
Where abouts in the mids are you?
 
badgermyers said:
Oh round here full is everything bar riding as ive always been on that and working is where the horse is worked too, either riding school or by yard owner/groom/whatever.

Or at least it has been at every yard ive been on before I got my own place as Ive always been full livery but never has that included riding :)
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It is not uncommon for everything bar riding to be called full livery - though that is incorrect really. That is what happens at our yard, what is really part livery is referred to as full because it is the most comprehensive package offered. When it includes riding I have heard it referred to as schooling livery or competition livery although technically they are again separate and distinct things.

But I have never heard everything including riding called working livery - working livery normally means that the horse works for part of its keep, thus reducing the livery bill, either at a riding school, equestrian college, or to give lessons to working pupils or whatever.
 
Goldenstar said:
BM the owner was on holiday and during the holiday which can hardly be classed as not turning up this happened its difficult to find a defence for the YOer.
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Auslander said:
How bizarre, I'd call that part livery. Anyway - it's completely irrelevant to the discusssion. Would you be happy if your best horse was on livery which included exercise, and you found out that instead of being ridden by the person you had paid to ride it, it had been ridden by a kid who did not have your permission to ride, and was not capable of riding it at the appropriate level? I wouldn't.
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No I wouldnt be happy I think thats fair enough I was just thinking of the bigger picture which I always do so sorry about that :).

Yes I know they were on holiday this time but I am sure I read that the YO also works the horse when she is unable to get to the yard which is all that triggered that thought pattern.
 
Goldenstar said:
I can feel your blood pressure over the Internet LOL
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its an awful thing to happen to anyone, any horse,any situation, but clearly the YO doesnt appreciate its like letting a new driver loose in a finely tuned sports car-reciepe for disaster.

whilst i know any breed/type of horse can be sharp and sensitive, letting the new driver loose in a ford focus of the horse world, is less likely to end in injury, legal case etc.

YO=idiot for not thinking this through, and idiot for breaking your trust.
 
Skewbald1 said:
I guess this is the downside of having a horse on full livery, you don't know the ins and outs like you do when you're on DIY
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I have my horse on full livery, and when the STAFF at the yard (staff, not other liveries) ride him for me I get an email detailing who rode him, for how long, what they worked on and how they thought he went. If I am away for more than a day or two then they also tell me the other things he has been up to, like if he went loopy when they turned him out or chewed someones pony tail off while they were putting his boots on.

I would be spitting feathers if I were you OP. It costs a lot of money to have a horse in full livery, and you should be kept up to date with everything he does!
 
badgermyers said:
Well if I had a livery that was on full livery rather than working and I was constantly having to work the horses for them for whatever reason I wouldnt be too happy. Not that I would put someone else on the horse myself but know plenty that would! Even more so if the owner was then off competing GP but always getting people to school it at home.

That was my train of thought anyway
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You'l find that many trainers whatever discipline will work alot of their liveries.
Either that or lessons will be included.

If you offer competition livery then it is your job!
 
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GlamourDol said:
You'l find that many trainers whatever discipline will work alot of their liveries.
Either that or lessons will be included.

If you off competition livery then it is your job!
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Yes I know it is if agreed. I was on a comp yard for a few years and there were only a few liveries. One didnt last long as kept asking the YO to ex her horse, she payed him for his time but it wasnt part of her livery if you get me. She started doing it more and more to the point she was only competing the horse. YO gave her the boot. The holiday is fine, I get that, it was the bit about not being able to make it up sometimes. I agree the YO was wrong to let a novice on the yard but if its a busy yard and the horses isnt on full livery (including riding in that) and was just being given pocket money to school it I can see why it may of happened and Ive seen it any times in the past on various yards. In fact ive been the one chucked on many times at various yards/dealers!
 
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