novice rug question

Tnavas, I think it was your post I was reading. Just been down to see our pony and he is really very bald now - not just spots, but large patches. If this goes on, he is going to have no hair on his back and throat! My neighbour is a veterinary nurse, so I haven't seen the vet yet as v broke, but think I am going to call him out now. There are no 'bumps' like some of the rain scald images I have seen, and my neighbour consequently doesn't think that this is rain scald.
To give you all the information that I can think might be relevant, he is in his late twenties and came to us at the end of last summer, really hairy and head hanging down, losing condition. Got confirmation of cushings diagnosis from vet and he was put on prascend (half a tab a day) and has perked up amazingly. Just before Christmas we had a v cold and wet spell (we are in usually mild south west UK), so I bought him a m/w turnout rug which I thought he might need due to his age. I was taking this off daily, but confess to only taking it off every other day for a week while we had all that horrible rain and he wasn't being ridden. It is v muddy in front of his field shelter too, although we have farrier regularly who says no sign of thrush or mud fever and he has good feet. Unusually for a cushings pony, there is no evidence of laminitis we can see. He now has fibre beet twice a day and his weight has come back on beautifully. He has a slightly soggy field, but not too bad and he always has hay out - which he never eats.
From Christmas for six weeks he had our neighbour's pony as a companion on loan but she was too young and bouncy for my toddlers, so she has now gone back to her owner. He doesn't seem bothered by being on his own again, although I would like a companion at some point. During the first couple of days that the other pony was here, one of them had a couple of days with an enormous amount of worms in their droppings, but we don't know which pony it was. After two days there wasn't a single worm! We wormed them anyway, obviously. Then we found a few lice on the mare, so we de-loused them both with dusting powder, which is what my neighbour always does. Her pony was fine, but I was worried that it may be the underlying cause of this baldness, or part of it. Perhaps my pony reacted badly to the chemicals because of the cushings? I washed him immediately with vosene tea tree shampoo, just to get rid of any remaining chemicals. The only thing is that he is losing patches on his head, throat and chest, and I didn't put any powder there.
Or perhaps he got too hot under an unaccustomed rug and it is rain scald manifesting in a strange way, without the lumps. I do check him every time I go down there by putting my hand into the rug and feeling him just behind his front leg to see if he is hot or cold, he never felt sweaty there, but perhaps it was only his back that was getting sweaty.
I will try and post a picture. It is basically very greasy, scurfy skin and the hair is coming out in clumps. Because he has such curly cushings hair and he has a rug on, there is a lot of curly matted hair which pulls off every day when I take his rug off. Then when I run my fingers through the hair around the bald patches, it comes out in clumps, attached to bits of loose scurfy skin. Where the hair comes out it isn't raw, just scurfy. However some parts of some of the patches are very sore looking, like a layer of skin has come off. I don't know whether this is part of the condition or whether it is where he is rubbing and biting himself. The raw patches are all in the places he rubs/bites most.
He is obviously itchy.
I would like to leave his rug off (and I have been every time we have had a few dry days, especially when with the lovely warm sunshine we have had), but it is now wet again and I don't know if he rolls in mud or gets rained on, it will be ok?
Sorry for the masses of information, but this is everything I can think of. I really hope it is not something I have done to my poor pony through inexperience, he is such a honey.


Huge debates going on worldwide over the initial cause of bith rain scald and mudfever.

I have been using and recommending Nizerol now for a number of years. The result of using Nizerol for either Mud Fever or Rain Scald is amazing. The whole problem cleared up in days. Nizerol though primarily for fungal infection does also have some antibacterial properties.

I have used both wash off and leave to dry depending on the amount of the affected area. To date I've had no horse have an adverse reaction to either method.

I have Clydesdales and Clydesdale crosses - a lot of white here! Every now and then one will have a clump of early Mudfever - hairs standing on end clumped together with lymph. I spray a Nizoral mix onto the area (Nizoral & water in a pump spray bottle), rub it in and leave it. Next day clumps have broken down.

I have also used it on numerous racehorses that come in from spelling with MudFever and often Rain Scald too. It honestly works so well and it saves all those agonising sessions of picking off scabs.The area I live in is notorious for Mud Fever, we are warm, wet and humid.

Being over heated in synthetic rugs brings on Rain Scald with a vengeance - think sneakers and sweaty feet and how easily you can get athletes foot. By the way Nizoral is great for getting rid of that!
 
One of our Cushings ponies got large bald patches and it was a fungal infection the Cushings had left him open to. I think I'd clip him and have a thin washable rug on him under whatever weight rug the weather dictates. It may be worth a new blood test to make sure his dose of Prascend is correct.
 
Lplates, does sound like it could be Rainscald, or at least a fungal infection. The Nizoral will kill all fungal infections so is worth giving a go. We used to have an old cob that would go through this each winter, this in a time befor Cushings was recognised easily. We'd bath him with an iodine based wash (Nizoral wasn't around then) this would settle his itches and stop the hair falling out
 
They are warm in that they prevent the horse getting wet and block the cold winds

I think you should read up on what a horse's winter coat is for. Flatten that hair and they cant keep themselves as warm, use rug filling to keep them warm instead - not a waterproof sheet. All you'll end up with is a cold horse with a dry back. It is really basic horse rugging knowledge..
 
Hello, I have bought two 60ml bottles of Nizerol and wondering how much I should need. Do I use it just like normal washing a pony, or use more/less shampoo? Do I wash it off thoroughly like normal, or, Tnavas, I noticed that you recommend not washing it off? If so, won't that be itchy or bad for his skin? Thank you so much everyone, this is all so helpful.
 
Reading all these posts I think I will clip him on the next dry day, then wash with Nizerol, then put thin sheet and m/w rug back on.
Forgot to say I have been using green oil on his bald patches which makes him wince a bit. Just run out of the green oil though, so won't use on him again as no one has mentioned it here.
 
Are you sure he doesn't still have some lice, they usually take more than one treatment to clear up, rubbing the head and throat area sounds as if there may still be some left, being nice and warm under the rug will be a perfect breeding ground for them.
I think everything else has been covered, if it is rain scald I have found Gold Label Wonder gel to be effective as well as soothing and very easy to apply after you have washed them, it doesn't stick and clump to the skin as many creams do.
 
Hello, I have bought two 60ml bottles of Nizerol and wondering how much I should need. Do I use it just like normal washing a pony, or use more/less shampoo? Do I wash it off thoroughly like normal, or, Tnavas, I noticed that you recommend not washing it off? If so, won't that be itchy or bad for his skin? Thank you so much everyone, this is all so helpful.

Hi - If you can dilute in hand hot water for the best results - One bottle should do fine in a 10litre bucket of hot water. I usually wet the horse thoroughly first then work my way across - I also mix it in a 4litre pump spray as I can control the area it covers more easily.

Leave it for at least 10 mins if you can to allow the ingredients to work - it lathers up really well so is easy to see where you've been. Sometimes I leave it on sometimes I rinse it off - I suggest that you rinse off after 10 mins.

Nizerol will destroy ringworm too
 
Thank you, definitely not ringworm - wish it was in a way as then we would have a definite diagnosis! I will try clipping, Nizerol and golden wonder - tempted to try milk thistle too and cover all the bases!
 
I think you should read up on what a horse's winter coat is for. Flatten that hair and they cant keep themselves as warm, use rug filling to keep them warm instead - not a waterproof sheet. All you'll end up with is a cold horse with a dry back. It is really basic horse rugging knowledge..

I've never found it a problem and have been rugging horse for over 40 years.
 
Hello, we are still mystified by what this was originally (two experts looked at it and said definitely NOT rain scald), but he itched so much he opened a wound and it has now developed into rain scald and it is rampant…
Too cold and wet for proper washing I think, so I would love to know how much Nizoral you put into your 2l spray bottle Tnavas, and whether you think it would really be ok to just leave it on with a long haired very shaggy cushings pony? Do I spray just the affected areas (nearly everywhere now anyway, just discovered more patches on his belly), or do I need to work it in all over?
I am guessing he needs to completely dry before I put his rug on, but he is desperate to get out of the stable poor wee man, and he is losing weight in the stable because he isn't all that keen on his hay/haylage.
I have just bought a lightweight waterproof rug, so that he can at least go out some of the time and I don't need to worry about him rolling in our very muddy field. Just so upset :(
Currently using Hypo-care Infections spray on him, which he hates, although I have found that if I spray it onto my fingers then rub it in, he prefers it to being directly sprayed. He will even let me do his head this way.
Need to disinfect his floor too presumably, and his brushes etc…
 
What are you bedding him on?

If I were you I would be looking to make his environment as dust/mite-free as possible.

Soak his hay, get him onto something with little to no dust in (soft rubber matting, flax or paper) and let him have as much time in the field as possible.

Wash all his rugs and brushes, too!
 
Although in principle, I don't disagree with what you've said, I use a rainproof sheet on my elderly cushings TB. He's not overly hairy but he does struggle with temperature control and if he gets wet he gets very very cold, likewise he overheats very easily too. He, also, like the OP's horse, has problems with skin irritations and this is linked to him getting too warm. He can rub himself raw. I find using a thin waterproof rug and giving him a bit of a bib clip, works best for him.
I think you should read up on what a horse's winter coat is for. Flatten that hair and they cant keep themselves as warm, use rug filling to keep them warm instead - not a waterproof sheet. All you'll end up with is a cold horse with a dry back. It is really basic horse rugging knowledge..
 
Hello, we are still mystified by what this was originally (two experts looked at it and said definitely NOT rain scald), but he itched so much he opened a wound and it has now developed into rain scald and it is rampant…
Too cold and wet for proper washing I think, so I would love to know how much Nizoral you put into your 2l spray bottle Tnavas, and whether you think it would really be ok to just leave it on with a long haired very shaggy cushings pony? Do I spray just the affected areas (nearly everywhere now anyway, just discovered more patches on his belly), or do I need to work it in all over?
I am guessing he needs to completely dry before I put his rug on, but he is desperate to get out of the stable poor wee man, and he is losing weight in the stable because he isn't all that keen on his hay/haylage.
I have just bought a lightweight waterproof rug, so that he can at least go out some of the time and I don't need to worry about him rolling in our very muddy field. Just so upset :(
Currently using Hypo-care Infections spray on him, which he hates, although I have found that if I spray it onto my fingers then rub it in, he prefers it to being directly sprayed. He will even let me do his head this way.
Need to disinfect his floor too presumably, and his brushes etc…

Hi - sorry I didn't get back sooner I've not been online for a few days.

I would be inclined to thoroughly wash him - if you can work him first to get him warm and use warm water to wash him with. Use the Nizerol in much the same way you would use it if you were washing your own hair. It needs to be worked in down to skin level, it lathers up well so it is easy to get through the hair.

I understand that its cold at the moment, are you able to get others to help you wash him so you can get it done faster?. Work from legs upwards washing the areas susceptible to cold last. PLace towels over each area to help retain heat. Then if you can lunge him to help get him dry again. You will need to keep him out of the wind and cold until he's dry. If you have a real wool blanket place this over him first before a rug. Wool is good at wicking moisture away and also retaining heat.

You can wash all his rugs and grooming kit in Nizerol or you can rinse them in Canestan In Wash rinse.
 
Update, vet finally seen him properly - not rain scald. Cushings overreaction to louse powder, exacerbated by constant rugging in mild wet weather.
Her advice to clip, wash with v dilute hibiscrub and antibiotics :(
Then clip him again next winter as better long term for his health as his skin seems to be uber sensitive due to cushings.
 
it has been proven that they do not keep the horse warm and they were designed for warm wet weather and to keep a horse clean when it is warm but the ground is muddy/wet. a waterproof sheet has no filling at all you need filling for warmth

Proven by who? Try telling your theory to my horse who gets too hot under a light weight no fill rainsheet in anything other than deepest winter! :D
 
Not surprised at your vet's diagnosis as this is my experience with my old boy. he's also very reactive to fly bites. I've tried everything to try to settle his skin as if he gets itchy he'll strip the skin off his body because he scratches so much. My vet lets me have a cream with a small amount of steroid in it to put on any open sores and i do find it works quite well. I'll probably clip my old boy out completely next winter but with the weather being so changeable it can be difficult to decide what rugs to use.
 
Proven by who? Try telling your theory to my horse who gets too hot under a light weight no fill rainsheet in anything other than deepest winter! :D

if it is too hot with a no fill on then it does not need a rug unless the horses coat lacks oils. a horse will use it natural coat to trap warm air from the body by puffing up its coat in a certain way to keep itself warm, interestingly they also puff the coat up to release warm air to keep cool so if your horse is too hot in a rain sheet then you are possibly over rugging and not allowing your horse to cool itself off.

if I was not such a computer novice I would post links to the research.
 
if it is too hot with a no fill on then it does not need a rug unless the horses coat lacks oils. a horse will use it natural coat to trap warm air from the body by puffing up its coat in a certain way to keep itself warm, interestingly they also puff the coat up to release warm air to keep cool so if your horse is too hot in a rain sheet then you are possibly over rugging and not allowing your horse to cool itself off.

if I was not such a computer novice I would post links to the research.

The puffing up of coat and no rug only works until heavy rain gets through it and then the wind chill can set in.

A light no fill cover is fine - it keeps rain off and the wind out. More horses feel the cold when rain is heavy along with low temperature winds.
 
if it is too hot with a no fill on then it does not need a rug unless the horses coat lacks oils. a horse will use it natural coat to trap warm air from the body by puffing up its coat in a certain way to keep itself warm, interestingly they also puff the coat up to release warm air to keep cool so if your horse is too hot in a rain sheet then you are possibly over rugging and not allowing your horse to cool itself off.

if I was not such a computer novice I would post links to the research.


Sure the coat lacks oils, and hair come to that, the horse is full clipped and happily wandering around naked unless it is pouring rain and then he gets a no fill turnout. In at night though.
 
Yep see the bit in my post about coat lacking oils

Grease in the coat works to only a certain degree - when rain is very heavy and persistent the water eventually gets through to the skin. Why do you think some uncovered horses get rain scald?

My Clydesdale is naked year round and at times develops rain scald. If I can get her rain sheet on in time I can prevent that happening.
 
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