Nuel shule bits, - bought one!!

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I went and bought one!!

I bought the hanging cheek,

Tried it on ellie tonight, she was really heavy in the hand!! she was salivating really nicely, but was really heavy, any suggestions? i think i might look at getting the verbindind, But problem is of course i cannot take it back.... she was mouthing it quite a lot any suggestions would be appreciated :) she was much better in it however then she was in her normal snaffle, she will evade her normal snaffle. but works beautifully in her pelham, i am going to keep using it and see if she goes in it any better next time, she wasnt evading the contact but was so heavy in the hand normally she is so light and soft, i have 6 blisters on my hand from it,


Anyway suggestions please?
 
Hmmmm...is the actual mouthpiece any different to what you normally use? Normally I would say she perhaps doesn't like the poll pressure, but you say she goes well in the pelham ?
The lozenge is a lovely mouthpiece but it could just not suit your girl...

ps. PM me if you decide to get rid of it as I would prob. buy if off you! lol
 
these bits have literally saved my life! my horse LOVES them, but agree that he can also be more heavy in the hand, especially when i first got it... have no idea why but now goes really well in the universal and a normal lozenge snaffle. maybe stick with it and see if she improves...
 
Nope mouthpeice is no different, i was thinking maybe she doesnt like the pole pressure BUT she goes nicely in her pelham, but then i was thinking maybe the curb is stopping her from leaning down on it?, i think i will stick with it for the moment see if she gets used to it, i really hope she will start to accept it, i only really want to be using her pelham when i am jumping and hacking out, i may just buy the verbindind just for the sake of buying it, hehe and i will do if she doesnt get any better!! she is a pain in the arse :P
 
Arghh! How many times...there is NO poll pressure from a hanging cheek snaffle!

Now I have that out of my system...

My mare has been lighter in the NS than anything else until I bought her a KK Dynamic. Now she is softer than ever.
 
A hanging cheek does exert poll pressure - that is the point of it, otherwise it would be just like a snaffle.
 
No it doesn't exert poll pressure all it gives is tongue relief by suspending the mouthpiece.

For it to exert poll pressure it would need to have hooks or slots on the ring which it doesn't have.

It's basic physics if you think about it.
 
i LOVE NS bits, have always found horse so much softer in them....have put a verbindend on eBay if your looking for a cheaper price to try - only used it twice :D
 
Yep, agree with CBAnglo and others...a hanging cheek IMO does exert a small amount of poll pressure....when you look at a hanging cheek in action, as contact is taken up on the snaffle ring, the top cheek piece ring rotates forwards slightly, hence exerting a slight amount of poll pressure...

Anyhoo, ellie - prob a good idea to give it a go for a bit and see how it works out...
 
I always thought a hanging cheek did exert slight poll pressure??????
This was taken off the net...
"8024B Tranz Link Baucher DL

The action of the hanging cheek.
This causes poll pressure (dressage legal as a Snaffle or as a Bradoon used in conjunction with a Weymouth). When a contact is taken the upper arm is angled forwards causing the mouthpiece to lift - thereby suspending it in the mouth and reducing the pressure across the tongue and the bars - this is often beneficial for cases of over sensitivity. Any extension above the mouthpiece causes poll pressure - this in itself has a head lowering action. However, if the horse is going forward into a contact and active behind this will encourage a rounding action and help tremendously with the outline."

So now I'm confused!
 
no hanging cheek does not produce poll pressure - as perse says unless slots then nothing to lever against - the hanging cheek suspends the bit in the mouth taking tongue pressure away, if you look at a pelham or western long shank bit its the curb thats gives it the leverage and therefore the poll pressure. It may give the very slightest of pressure on poll but nothing tbh compared to pelham - i know as i went down the hanging cheek route for dressage using same mouthpiece as my pelham thinking that my horse would go really well. she didnt go as well as i thought - i looked at the bit and its action and when i looked logically - unless there was something to lever against there was nothing to move mouthpiece forward and down.
 
off sustainable dressage site....


Another bit with this function is the drop-cheek or baucher/fillis bit. This bit can look deceptively like a gag-bit but it is not, since the mouth piece cannot slide on the bitring, which is a prerequisite for gag action. In this bit, the fastening of the bridle side piece is done further up the side of the head. This makes the bit lie flatter to the side of the head, because anything other than would have to fight the "lever" of the arm where the side piece joins. This effectively stops the bit from being pulled into the mouth from the side as well. And horses usually like this kind of bit.


This bit is usually falsley described as creating poll pressure. Most baucher bits don't. In order for it to put pressure on the poll, the ring which the rein attaches to, needs to have a drawn-out oblong shape so that the rein stays at a certain position on the ring. If the ring is oblong, the rein will want to stay at one end, and thus pulls this end up towards the hand/rein. If the ring is round, so that the distance from the mouth bars to the rein is constant at all angles, the rein will slide.


It is also sometimes erroneously depicted upside down while called "hanging/dropped cheek". This use might be possible, but it really only turns into a strange jointed pelham without the lever effect. Just a rotating mouthpiece. It surely was not meant for this...

And speaking of "like"... I usually don't put a lot of personal aesthetic judgement into which equipment to use, and I'm not one for big name brands, but Sprenger have really succeeded in making a beautiful drop-cheek bit in their B-ring snaffle. But $120+ for a snaffle?

http://www.sustainabledressage.com/tack/bridle.php#loose-ring (go down to dropped cheek to see pics which explain more)
 
Yeah I saw that too while I was looking for one for my lad a few weeks ago which confused me even more as everything is so contradictory!
I wanted to try the b-ring but have just gone back to my loose ring kk!!!!!
 
Ive found a lot of horses get "Heavy" in the hanging cheeks. I would try the verbidend, it is a fab bit, especially with the thinner mouthpiece. If you can stretch to it, the KK dynamics are lovely bits, my mare LOVES hers and goes nicely in it :)
 
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