Numpties shouldn't be allowed to school

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Everyone is allowed their opinion, and you may find it inflammatory, but at least you have a choice whether to partake in the discussion. Horses, for the most part, do not!!

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No really? I hadnt realised that, thank you for pointing it out
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Another UI candidate then
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Who is Edward Gal ? no seriously i dont know who he is ?

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Edward Gal rides the dressage horse Totilas (sp?) which did fantastically well in the European Championships this year at Windsor. Opinions are divided on whether the horse is a superstar or unnatural in his movement
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Numpties shouldn't be allowed to post inflammatory codswallop on the HHO forum either, but sadly they are quite entitled to do so
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As I have said, I didn't mean it to sound like cruelty is appropriate in riding schools. I don't know much about riding schools because I've been lucky enough to always have my own and be involved in the Pony Club, but like I have said, instructors should be sound enough in their knowledge to prevent cruelty at this stage.
The reason I say that it's a competitions it should be monitored is because it's incredibly difficult to monitor horses at private yards.
 
I have seen many a 'professional' rider sawing and pulling on their horses mouths and being downright nasty - sometimes, I think playing up to onlookers, - onlookers, many of whom, I am sure, are thinking they are complete prats, or, on the other hand, when they realise people are watching them they quickly change their style and ride quietly and kindly.

IMO, producing a reliable, trustworthy, happy hacker is as challenging and skillfull as producing horses for other disciplines and should not be underestimated.
 
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I agree that some riders competing at a high level do inflict cruelty upon their horses, but I do not find that these riders that I have seen do this, or have been told do these, reach levels as high as the ones who are not, which is indicative of their behaviour, and foolish on their part, as they are clearly not acheiving the desired effect.


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really???

i know many top riders (4****) who purposely use very forceful techniques to overpower and dominate their horses into total submisson- i have seen some scenes with Olympic medallists that would turn your stomach
... and imo that is far crueller than 'numpty' riders who may occasionally catch their horse in the mouth but at least are trying to improve.

out of interest, what level do you ride at?
 
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Oh thankyou now i know that i am definately a numpty !

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You certainly arent, just someone who perhaps isnt very into watching dressage? You just wait, the more you are on HHO the more you will learn/know
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Tis where I get most of my info
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Just one more numpty question as i am new to the forum life what does QR mean ?

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QR is quick reply
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If you reply to someone's post, then it appears you are directing your reply to a comment they have made. By explaining that it is a QR the poster is explaining that it is a general comment about the thread, rather than specifically in reply to something said by the person they appear to be replying to.

Hmmmm, I made that too complicated I think
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If you read Tortilas original post they commented on something they had seen at an AFFILLIATED COMPETITION, surely if we enforce some standards to affilliated competition, (which being practical is impossible to enforce at an unaffillated level), the level of riding at home must surely improve as riders have to learn how to ride correctly in order to affiliate. The problem may come as in reality unaffiliated competitiors cannot be policed, and those who only want to do unaffilliated will carry on in their own way, if they feel that is the best way, regardless of weather or not it is correct. I am in no way saying that all riders who only want to compete unaffilated fall into this category, most strive to improve, and would never intentionally cause any discomfort to their horse, but if affilated competitors have to be a certain standard, surely that can only lead to better riding, which is what most people are surely after???
 
I myself ride at Novice level eventing, and I groom for a 4* eventer, although I admit that I do not groom at events a lot unless I'm taking mine, and I prefer to stay at home with the horses keeping them in work while she's eventing (she has a travelling groom for that) .... So I appreciate that your knowledge of other top event riders is likely to be a lot more thorough than mine, seeing as she is the only eventer I have worked for (I was a dressage groom before). However, in my experience it is the lower level riders that are the most offensive.
 
I think that this post has not been phrased the right way.

I sort of see what the OP is getting at, however, if I was a professional horse person, working for someone who I have publicly named, I would be ensuring that I represented him & the sport in a good light - not making it seem more elitist than ever.
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But then I am just a numpty, what do I know
 
I must be a double numpty because I compete in Endurance and happy hack and train for hourse at home . I thought by sawing their mouths it was how you stopped. Silly me
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charlimouse - you are as patronising as tt!!
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This post is a wild generalisation of all riders who do not compete at a top level. Furthermore, even riders at this level are not perfect!!

Finally, what about all the riders who, continually improve, strive to make improvements and ride sensitively and very well, with lots and lots of experience...but do not compete???

I think tt is bored this evening, perhaps the boss is out and she's allowed to use the computer
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Actually what the original post said was if happy hacking is what your into fine but numpties should,t be allowed to school why would it be a happy hacker that deserved to be put in the same sentence ??????
 
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I think that this post has not been phrased the right way.

I sort of see what the OP is getting at, however, if I was a professional horse person, working for someone who I have publicly named, I would be ensuring that I represented him & the sport in a good light - not making it seem more elitist than ever.

But then I am just a numpty, what do I know


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I have not publicly named my boss.
 
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charlimouse - you are as patronising as tt!!

This post is a wild generalisation of all riders who do not compete at a top level. Furthermore, even riders at this level are not perfect!!

Finally, what about all the riders who, continually improve, strive to make improvements and ride sensitively and very well, with lots and lots of experience...but do not compete???

I think tt is bored this evening, perhaps the boss is out and she's allowed to use the computer


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As a matter of fact I am bored. I have no other interests except for the horses. I'm going to make sure my kids go to University, my life is depressingly tunnel-visioned.
Back to the topic, it's very hard to police riding at levels other than at competitions, so where better to start.
 
Im sorry but I think this is silly.

As i have posted else where tonight I have just achieved a major victory for me. I booked in for a jumping lesson and expecting to be put on a old safe school master.

I turned up tonight and they put me on a Grade A Hoys qualifier worth 25K. The first ten minutes were a bit tricky getting to know the horse and how he worked but after twenty minutes we were going beautifully together.

Now I havnt jumped for 7 years or had a lesson for 10 years. I dont think you have to be classed as professional to get a horse worked well - you just need to understand how you can work together to get the best out of the horse and where you both need work.
 
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