O.M.G the full video footage of Oliver Townend horrid fall caught by a spectator

Kitsune said:
Bloody awful fall, but maybe a video like this can be beneficial in learning about how the horse fell, and improving safety?
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That was the spirit in which I watched it. Fascinating to see all three fall and the near miss, hopefully the footage will be seen where it counts. Thank goodness the riders, and horses AFAIK, were not seriously injured.
 
WishfulThinker said:
OK, it is intrusive, but I take it they waited till they knew he was ok to post it.

I am more concerned with the fact that they took his hat off, and were moving his head about. Had he broken his back, or had a back injury that could have had a bad result. OK she cradles his head, but I thought you should leave the helmet on, like you do for a bike crashj.
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I don't agree. You only don't remove the hat until trained help arrives. If you notice I think he was unconcious. They had to remove his BP and hat to feel for a pulse etc and to be ready for CPR if the situation had deteriated.
The only reason his head was moving was when he came round he lifted it up and smiled
They did the right thing.
 
I was so shocked when I read the news last night that Ollie had fallen off and rushed to hospital and even more so to see what damage he had done. I read in an interview that William said Ollie was swearing and moaning so he thinks he'll be ok lol.

Its a shame he's to injured to ride Badminton this year and I bet no one is more annoyed that him. Hope recovers well
 
Troylimbo1 said:
I don't agree. You only don't remove the hat until trained help arrives. If you notice I think he was unconcious. They had to remove his BP and hat to feel for a pulse etc and to be ready for CPR if the situation had deteriated.
The only reason his head was moving was when he came round he lifted it up and smiled
They did the right thing.
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Ditto this - all emergency services are trained to take helmets off without causing any movement to the spinal cord, especially with motorcyclists it's the only way we can get to the airway....I thought the team there worked very fast in stabilising his position immediately and keeping him calm and as still as possible when he started regaining consciousness.

Have to agree that the video is a bit "close-up, but human nature is that we want to know what happens, whcih is why all the fly on the wall docu-sopas about accidents are so popular....it's interesting/shocking/dramatic as long as it happens to someone else!
 
What happened with the frangible pin? Cos it didn't seem to break for any of those falls. Also, has anyone got any updates on the condition of all three horses that fell?

I think they were very, very lucky not to lose a horse or rider at that fence, and I hope some questions are asked.
 
This is why this particular sport should be left to the professionals. A lot can go wrong very quicky when you are jumping cross country. Leave is to those who are best able to control things when it does go wrong. This could have been a whole lot worse if Oliver not known how to fall in as safe a manner as possible. I know its still a horrifying fall, but falling like a sack of spuds could have made it even more so.

Luckily Oliver is OK (although probably feeling not so good right now) and I am sure that good wishes from all of us go out to him.
 
I did click on but safe in the knowledge that Oli was OK- so yes that is curiousity. I had absolutely no desire to watch any footage/photos of Caroline Pratt when she was killed at Burghley knowing the outcome - and that I felt was intrusive.

The video takers are on-lookers which is why they probably kept the camera rolling - and as for panning onto Oli's face - he has survived so they probably felt it was alright. I personally would have not posted the facial shots on You Tube

The part I did find interesting though was to see that all 3 horses hit the fence in the same way. We can't see from the side why they did this as from our angle it looks to be a straightforward jump, which obviously with 3 nasty falls at this level is not the case.
 
teddyt said:
Disgraceful really isnt it? Ambulance chasing :(
The lows some people will stoop to to sell something!
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I think that's somewhat unfair, the person posting that was a private individual nothing to do with Point 2, here is her website: http://www.advancedperformancehorses.com no mention on there of Point2, and I did check her sponsors page just in case.

Would you have been so horrified if the text at the end of the video said "Advise anyone organising an event to hire UK Medical"?
 
Were these people just sat by the fence all day hoping people would fall ...................wrong on so many levels.

Only interesting thing is how the horses all fell leaving the same leg.???
 
Well if i owned point 2 and someone totally unconnected with the company had posted that video with my product info/website at the end i would be furious! And yes, whatever the company mentioned at the end i would feel the same way. It is incredibly distasteful to be advertising something (anything!) when the person in the video isnt even out of hospital and the extent of his injuries unclear.

And just because theres no mention of the product on her website doesnt mean to say shes not involved with the company. Why would she put the details on the video? She hasnt mentioned what hat or body protector he was wearing! The air jacket hadnt even gone off at the point of impact because OT was too close to the horse. It could have been the hat/bp that minimised his injuries and nothing to do with the air jacket. So why hasnt she mentioned them as well?

Whether she is or she isnt connected i find it disgusting at this moment in time. If OT didnt mind the footage being used for advertising 2 months down the line, thats a different matter. But the helicopters blades have barely stopped spinning!
 
Thisbe, but plenty of people do sit by one fence all day I don't take issue with that.

I did think the zooming in on the face was unsavoury

I dont like the pointtwo mention at the end, I wouldnt like the mention of anything at the end apart from good wishes for a speedy recovery.

I said on a previous thread I think maybe the horses had spotted the step down, thinking ahead meaning they didnt lift a leg high enough to clear it.
 
Ok, couple of things, firstly, the question needs to be asked as to why there were three falls from 3 different horses who all hit the fence in exactly the same way, leaving behind front left leg? Including one near miss with a very good horse who got himself out of trouble. Was there something about this certain fence in design or was it at an offset angle? I know certain fences claim victims on courses but for one fence to get them all in exactly the same way is a little strange to me!?
I don't agree with the close up of his face, but can only think the people filming were trying to zoom in to see if they could tell if he was ok or not, whatever though, should really have been edited out before making public.
 
Firstly, I think the medics were great with every single faller, especially OT - they were right there instantly, doing what they needed to do (and what as professionals they are trained to do, correctly).

Secondly, whatever the motivations of the person who took and posted the footage, I think (safe in the knowledge that OT is okay) that it makes fascinating and rather shocking viewing - the number of falls and the near miss that are identical, and the fact that the pins didn't go on any of the 4occasions. How nobody and no horse was killed at that fence is a miracle.

I have no idea if Point 2 are connected to this footage in any way, but I admit that yesterday the cynic in me (which is popping up more and more these days) wondered how long it would be before they used OT's fall in an advertising campaign - it didn't take long with Faith's fall after all:(
 
blueneonrainbow said:
I cant believe they sat there filming it when Oliver could have been dead or dying. That is absolutely sick. You would have thought out of decency that they would switch the camera off and not pan in and out of his face while he was receiving medical care.

I only watched the fall earlier today because I was watching some of the other riders go around, and was only watching Olly because I knew he was mostly alright but I couldnt watch hardly any of that video.
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well, welcome to the 21st century - this is the reality of the society we live in! Scary! There are no bounds, no privacy, anything, anyone can be filmed and then that film can be posted "online" then watched by how ever many people globally.
 
the other reason why I was curious to see the video is that Oli T is Mr Stickable and velcro pants so knew it had to be something pretty dramatic to unseat him.
 
Morbid fasination aside, it was nice to see how fast and proffessionally the medics worked. While I agree the close ups were perhaps a little excessive, it allowed the viewer to see when OT regained consiousness, and the rapid response of the medics to prevent him moving his head and neck, thus allowing the viewer knowledge that he was going to be OK.

The question does need to be asked though about that fence as there is something amiss IMO when 3 horses have falls in similar senarios. 1 is unlucky, 2 is coincidence 3 questions need to be asked.
 
I don't agree or disagree with the vid footage. If it hadn't been posted here, it would have been else where. If you have watched it, and then decide to kick up a fuss about it being 'distasteful' ect, why did you watch it?

The course designer, Mike Etherington-Smith, has said he is looking in to vid footage of the falls, to determine if it was fault at the jump. He also noted about the pins that they are designed to break under horizontal pressure, rather than vertical, which is how these horses hit the fence. Also, they are designed to help prevent rotational fall, but there is no product that will completely emilminate rotational fall,so unfortunatly it happens :(

(reference - http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/297306.html paragraph above results)

:)
 
Point Two Air Jackets

In reply to some of the comments made about Point Two using the footage of Oliver Townends fall in Kentucky Rolex.

We would just like to say that we have not used the footage at all & the video on YouTube has nothing to do with us at all.

Point Two would not use such footage without the complete authorisation of the rider & would certainaly not use the footage of Oliver on the floor waiting for medical assistance.

We would like to add that Point Two have spoken with Oliver himself & he will be making a full recovery & is currently on his way home.

We wish Oliver all the best & would also like to congratulate William Fox-Pitt on a fantastic result.

Best regards from all at Point Two
 
alicehaw32 said:
I don't agree or disagree with the vid footage. If it hadn't been posted here, it would have been else where. If you have watched it, and then decide to kick up a fuss about it being 'distasteful' ect, why did you watch it?

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I must say I watched to see the actual falls, because I thought it would be informative to see why that particular fence caused problems. I was surprised, however, to see how much of the footage seemed to actually linger on the prone riders after the fall - it really didn't seem necessary? :confused:
 
I don’t have any problems with viewing this video, if anything it highlights how dangerous the sport can be, if anything it has got people talking, thinking and learning from it, so it’s a very useful piece of footage for all concerned.
 
TBH if I was there with my camera, it would become an extension of my eye, and people are curious to see if the rider is ok etc so it stands to reason if our eyes could zoom in like that, most people would - just to see what happens etc. For that reason I'm not sure if any blame or question needs to be put on the filmer, IMO.
 
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