RachelMcTimoney
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Has anyone any experience of OCD? It was in one elbow joint and has been treated (remove bone chip, vet feels progonosis is good) has anyone any experience of this?
OCD in 2 year old WB to buy or not to buy!
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ForeverBroke_
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I just keep thinking of Obsessive Cumpulsive Disorder - So I'm no help whatsoever
Sorry!!
Very, very pointless post.
Very, very pointless post.
RachelMcTimoney
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hehe! thanks anyway
ttt
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I think I would be wary but best to talk to your vet.
If OCD is in one joint, it may present itself in other joints in the future?
It would worry me that it was already present in something so young.
If OCD is in one joint, it may present itself in other joints in the future?
It would worry me that it was already present in something so young.
Araminta
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I think I would be wary but best to talk to your vet.
If OCD is in one joint, it may present itself in other joints in the future?
It would worry me that it was already present in something so young.
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I agree, I know of several horses that have ended up with OCD in several joints by the age of 7!
2 is very young to start
Sorry
I think I would be wary but best to talk to your vet.
If OCD is in one joint, it may present itself in other joints in the future?
It would worry me that it was already present in something so young.
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I agree, I know of several horses that have ended up with OCD in several joints by the age of 7!
2 is very young to start
Sorry
yeeharider
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dont touch it there are plenty out there without problems my friend ought a 2yo with OCD has become a field ornament aged 6 buyer beware
RachelMcTimoney
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Thank you. it had a bone scan and no further joints were found to be affected, would this influence your decision?
Araminta
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Thank you. it had a bone scan and no further joints were found to be affected, would this influence your decision?
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It is a sad fact of life that the average "working" life of a lot of warmbloods now is 7 years.
I don't think I would take the risk - 2 is very young to be breaking already. A bone scan will only show up any "hot spots" at this moment in time so no guarentee for the future.
Thank you. it had a bone scan and no further joints were found to be affected, would this influence your decision?
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It is a sad fact of life that the average "working" life of a lot of warmbloods now is 7 years.
I don't think I would take the risk - 2 is very young to be breaking already. A bone scan will only show up any "hot spots" at this moment in time so no guarentee for the future.
Araminta
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Thank you. it had a bone scan and no further joints were found to be affected, would this influence your decision?
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It is a sad fact of life that the average "working" life of a lot of warmbloods now is 7 years.
I don't think I would take the risk - 2 is very young to be breaking already. A bone scan will only show up any "hot spots" at this moment in time so no guarentee for the future.
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Thank you. it had a bone scan and no further joints were found to be affected, would this influence your decision?
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It is a sad fact of life that the average "working" life of a lot of warmbloods now is 7 years.
I don't think I would take the risk - 2 is very young to be breaking already. A bone scan will only show up any "hot spots" at this moment in time so no guarentee for the future.
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ooops - spelling!
yeeharider
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I am sorry but yes it would friends bone scan was clear as a 3yo but by 5 horse unsound in front and behind I suppose individuals vary as always
RachelMcTimoney
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thank you very much really useful and helpful
lannerch
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did milton not suffer ocd as a youngster, sure I read somewhere he did and had to be operated on!
ttt
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Although not showing any further signs now, the joint with OCD will probably also develop very early arthritis.
RachelMcTimoney
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I am being rapidly put off with one crock already! The horse has amazing breeding and is lovely (v cheap due to op!) but maybe not worth the risk.
lannerch
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Can you afford to take the risk and if fail?
If you can then I would seriously consider it as ocd is often fully treatable by removal of the bone fragements however it also can degenerate into full djd which makes surgery less likely to be sucessful.
ocd itself is also suspected to be very common however in the majority of horses has no serious consequences as the flap of cartiledge never breaks away.
so in short if you can afford to buy the horse and it at a latter date break down it may be worth taking the risk ( as like milton it may never have any furthur trouble ) if however it is your only horse and you can not easily afford for one to go wrong I would not take the risk.
If you can then I would seriously consider it as ocd is often fully treatable by removal of the bone fragements however it also can degenerate into full djd which makes surgery less likely to be sucessful.
ocd itself is also suspected to be very common however in the majority of horses has no serious consequences as the flap of cartiledge never breaks away.
so in short if you can afford to buy the horse and it at a latter date break down it may be worth taking the risk ( as like milton it may never have any furthur trouble ) if however it is your only horse and you can not easily afford for one to go wrong I would not take the risk.
yeeharider
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Take your budget and buy something nice with no obvious problems whichever way you go good luck
pixiebee
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I just keep thinking of Obsessive Cumpulsive Disorder - So I'm no help whatsoever
Sorry!!
Very, very pointless post.
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ditto
I just keep thinking of Obsessive Cumpulsive Disorder - So I'm no help whatsoever
Very, very pointless post.
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ditto
ESH
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I have a big IDxTB I have had him since he was 11 months old when I started to lightly back him at 3 1/2 I noticed that his hind leg wasn't moving quite right and there was some swelling. He had an enormous piece of bone removed from his hock.
He is now 7 years and is regulary out competing at discovery level SJ, doing some dressage and XC and he has not had a problem with that hock or any other joints.
That's my experience of OCD in a young horse and so far all is well.
He is now 7 years and is regulary out competing at discovery level SJ, doing some dressage and XC and he has not had a problem with that hock or any other joints.
That's my experience of OCD in a young horse and so far all is well.
VictoriaEDT
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hmm i used to know a girl at uni with OCD.......she was really weird and used to manicure her horses bed, you could almost put a spirit level on it!
yeeharider
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Thats obsessive compulsive disorder not osteochondrosis which is what we are talking about
VictoriaEDT
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I know, McTimRLM is the girl at uni i was talking about! winding her up!
yeeharider
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oh ok ha ha ha
JanetGeorge
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Has anyone any experience of OCD? It was in one elbow joint and has been treated (remove bone chip, vet feels progonosis is good) has anyone any experience of this?
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Half the competition warmbloods in the country have had chips removed! If the chip has been removed and a scan has shown other joints to be clear, I'd grab myself a bargain.
There is some misunderstanding shown on this thread about OCD. It is a problem of VERY young horses - and generally is there BEFORE a horse is 12 months old. However, in many cases there are no symptoms at that age. This is why it is often reported as occurring in older horses - the symptoms can lie unnoticed until a horse gets into serious work.
I had a youngster operated on a year ago - he'd shown brief lameness accompanied by heat and swelling in one hock. The lameness went, the hock settled although remained very slightly puffy (unnoticeable unless you were really looking for it!) I could have sold him then - and he'd have almost certainly passed a vetting, but we x-rayed and the chip was clearly visible. Vet opinion was that it WOULD cause lameness when he started work if the chip wasn't removed - I wasn't going to risk it so chip was removed. Prognosis is very good - and he's now backed and in work and completely sound.
If the vendor has been honest enough to disclose it, I'd buy with confidence if everything else was ok - maybe put him on a good joint supplement to be on the safe side.
The ones you have to worry about are the ones who were lame as yearlings and got 'better' so the vendor doesn't mention it!!
Has anyone any experience of OCD? It was in one elbow joint and has been treated (remove bone chip, vet feels progonosis is good) has anyone any experience of this?
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Half the competition warmbloods in the country have had chips removed! If the chip has been removed and a scan has shown other joints to be clear, I'd grab myself a bargain.
There is some misunderstanding shown on this thread about OCD. It is a problem of VERY young horses - and generally is there BEFORE a horse is 12 months old. However, in many cases there are no symptoms at that age. This is why it is often reported as occurring in older horses - the symptoms can lie unnoticed until a horse gets into serious work.
I had a youngster operated on a year ago - he'd shown brief lameness accompanied by heat and swelling in one hock. The lameness went, the hock settled although remained very slightly puffy (unnoticeable unless you were really looking for it!) I could have sold him then - and he'd have almost certainly passed a vetting, but we x-rayed and the chip was clearly visible. Vet opinion was that it WOULD cause lameness when he started work if the chip wasn't removed - I wasn't going to risk it so chip was removed. Prognosis is very good - and he's now backed and in work and completely sound.
If the vendor has been honest enough to disclose it, I'd buy with confidence if everything else was ok - maybe put him on a good joint supplement to be on the safe side.
The ones you have to worry about are the ones who were lame as yearlings and got 'better' so the vendor doesn't mention it!!
millitiger
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wouldn't touch it with a barge pole myself...
unless of course it was rock bottom price and i had enough money left over to buy a new one next year if it all went wrong.
unless of course it was rock bottom price and i had enough money left over to buy a new one next year if it all went wrong.
_DJH_
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The seller can't win can they, they tell you the truth so you can make an informed decision, and straight away it's red flag, don't touch blah blah. If the horse has recovered well from the op they could not have mentioned it and you would be completely happy in blissful ignorance with your purchase.
TicTac
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Personally and speaking from experience I would leave well alone. There are, as it has allready been said, plenty of good horses out there to choose from. However, having said that, I know of several young horses who have successfully been treated for OCD and gone onto have a usefull life.
My first warmblood was born wrong. You name it, he had it and unfortunately I had to have him put down at the age of 10 having owned him all his life. My current horse is a warmblood too but is a tough as old boots! Those in between have been ID x TB, natives and TB and all have had problems too, despite all being vetted as well!! There is no guarantee.
Go with your instinct and good luck x
My first warmblood was born wrong. You name it, he had it and unfortunately I had to have him put down at the age of 10 having owned him all his life. My current horse is a warmblood too but is a tough as old boots! Those in between have been ID x TB, natives and TB and all have had problems too, despite all being vetted as well!! There is no guarantee.
Go with your instinct and good luck x
Blue-bear
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I agree with most, personally speaking i would walk away too. Had a couple of experiences and they all ended with broken horses unable to work. There are plenty of nice youngsters around.
JanetGeorge
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The seller can't win can they, they tell you the truth so you can make an informed decision, and straight away it's red flag, don't touch blah blah. If the horse has recovered well from the op they could not have mentioned it and you would be completely happy in blissful ignorance with your purchase.
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Exactly! The only way to be sure that a youngster DOESN'T have untreated OCD is to x-ray every joint before purchase. And if the chip has been removed, the only way to tell is if the vendor is honest enough to disclose!
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Had a couple of experiences and they all ended with broken horses unable to work.
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But were these horses who had chips removed when younger - or horses that hadn't been operated on??
The seller can't win can they, they tell you the truth so you can make an informed decision, and straight away it's red flag, don't touch blah blah. If the horse has recovered well from the op they could not have mentioned it and you would be completely happy in blissful ignorance with your purchase.
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Exactly! The only way to be sure that a youngster DOESN'T have untreated OCD is to x-ray every joint before purchase. And if the chip has been removed, the only way to tell is if the vendor is honest enough to disclose!
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Had a couple of experiences and they all ended with broken horses unable to work.
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But were these horses who had chips removed when younger - or horses that hadn't been operated on??
arwenplusone
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I'm with JanetGeorge on this one. If ned has been operated on and vet has given a good prognosis then I would be very tempted to take the risk. In fact, if you don't want to- feel free to point me in the general direction...
CBAnglo
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No - I have a 7 yr old that is now fully retired because he has OCD. He hasnt done a hard days' work in his life - there was no bone/cartilage "chip", he just went very lame one day. Nothing shown in bone scans, scintigrapghy, xrays - had to resort to MRI to find out what was wrong with him.
Plenty of things can go wrong with horses, why start off with one that already has a problem? Yes, I know, there is usually something wrong with them (and OCD would be present in first 12 months), but as a 2 yr old I would want clean sound limbs.
Also, insurance will probably exclude everything connected to the OCD.
Plenty of things can go wrong with horses, why start off with one that already has a problem? Yes, I know, there is usually something wrong with them (and OCD would be present in first 12 months), but as a 2 yr old I would want clean sound limbs.
Also, insurance will probably exclude everything connected to the OCD.